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Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed By-Laws Changes

F. Volz <fvolz@...>
 

I am not in favor of discontinuing the newsletter... I have not taken part in the yahoo groups ... I work two jobs and do not have time to spend sitting by the computer and cruising through ramblings of hordes of people... I have to sort 125 pieces of e- mail as it is just to get the 10 that are addressed to me.... If as you said in the last newsletter it is just a few minuts to get the newsletter published then you should do it!!! Not discard it for your personal favorite way of doing things....

Frank Volz
KA7DNK
representing 147.24,444.600,224.83,224.86,443.825
t 07:31 PM 07/24/2002 +0000, you wrote:

Dear Members,

I am sending to each of you in a separate plain text email a proposed
set of by-law changes that reflect the membership's will to
discontinue The Coordinator newsletter. A Word format document may be
downloaded from this newsgroup. It was an attachment to an earlier
posting from Steve Szombathy, Chairman of the By-laws and Policy
Committee.

In compliance with our current by-laws, any proposed changes to the
by-laws must be mailed to our membership at least 7 days prior to a
general meeting for preview before the changes can be voted on. The
by-laws do not specify that the "mailing" must be via USPS.
I
therefore ask you to consider this email message as satisfying the
requirement. We will mail via USPS to the handful of members that
have not provided an email address to the Secretary. (Please keep
Mark up to date with any email address changes)

The by-law changes proposed only address the issues of dropping The
Coordinator and establishing the WWARA-Members newsgroup. We have
several other ideas regarding the by-laws but are not prepared to
present them at this time. We simply want to change the language so
that our process is in compliance with the will of the membership as
expressed by the vote of the membership at the June meeting.

I would like to propose, for example, that agenda items requiring a
vote of the general membership be accomplished on the newsgroup.
This would allow much greater participation than the typical 15-20%
of the membership that turn out for a meeting. It would also allow
for a comment period prior to a vote so that every member has time to
present thoughtful opinions on the business before the Association,
not just those who come to the meetings.

There are many additional benefits to the newsgroup, which, I think
will bring the membership closer to the business of the Association,
not farther away as some have predicted. As we move forward in the
21st century our tools and methods need to adapt to the technology
and lifestyles of our membership. The Coordinator served us very well
in the pre-email culture, its time for us to move on and this
newsgroup is one of the ways we hope to do this.

Please plan to attend the August 3 general membership meeting in
Kirkland (directions available from the www.wwara.org website.) to
express your comments and to vote on these important changes.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA




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Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed By-Laws Changes

F. Volz <fvolz@...>
 

AHHHH A good offence.... will hide a lot.... I was offering my opinion ... It sounds like my opinion struck a nerve.... GOOD... I donate my time to the local clubs enough that I do not feel bad about your Problem ....
Frank ...

PS. Have a Great Day... I will....

NO. YOU SHOULD DO IT!!!

I have personally been begging for volunteers to keep the newsletter going. I will try one more time. If you are as passionate as you say, show it by volunteering to help produce the newsletter.

I too hated to see the newsletter go away. This is not "my favorite way of doing things" but is the best alternative I could find to try to keep our communications with the membership alive.

It is no longer up for debate as to whether to stop the newsletter. That happened months ago. It was the membership that voted to suspend the newsletter and it will take the membership to bring it back. I am only trying to obey the will of the group. I will gladly entertain a motion to bring back The Coordinator after a volunteer comes forward. But don't demand that I do all the work while you are willing to do nothing. We will all get out of the association proportionate to what we put in.

I have no personal agenda. I already volunteer untold hours to the association along with the Band Chairs, Board of Directors, Committee Chairmen and most unselfishly, the Secretary. We are doing our part, where is your participation? Or, is it limited to taking "pot shots" weeks after the members that came to the meeting voted on the issue.

Our primary mission is to coordinate repeater frequencies. We just have enough volunteers to meet this goal. The newsletter is a luxury we don't have enough help to do. Are you willing to help? Or just criticize.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA



In a message dated 7/27/2002 1:18:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fvolz@... writes:


I am not in favor of discontinuing the newsletter... I have not taken part
in the yahoo groups ... I work two jobs and do not have time to spend
sitting by the computer and cruising through ramblings of hordes of
people... I have to sort 125 pieces of e- mail as it is just to get the 10
that are addressed to me.... If as you said in the last newsletter it is
just a few minuts to get the newsletter published then you should do it!!!
Not discard it for your personal favorite way of doing things....

Frank Volz
KA7DNK
representing 147.24,444.600,224.83,224.86,443.825
t 07:31 PM 07/24/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Members,

I am sending to each of you in a separate plain text email a proposed
set of by-law changes that reflect the membership's will to
discontinue The Coordinator newsletter. A Word format document may be
downloaded from this newsgroup. It was an attachment to an earlier
posting from Steve Szombathy, Chairman of the By-laws and Policy
Committee.

In compliance with our current by-laws, any proposed changes to the
by-laws must be mailed to our membership at least 7 days prior to a
general meeting for preview before the changes can be voted on. The
by-laws do not specify that the "mailing" must be via USPS.
I
therefore ask you to consider this email message as satisfying the
requirement. We will mail via USPS to the handful of members that
have not provided an email address to the Secretary. (Please keep
Mark up to date with any email address changes)

The by-law changes proposed only address the issues of dropping The
Coordinator and establishing the WWARA-Members newsgroup. We have
several other ideas regarding the by-laws but are not prepared to
present them at this time. We simply want to change the language so
that our process is in compliance with the will of the membership as
expressed by the vote of the membership at the June meeting.

I would like to propose, for example, that agenda items requiring a
vote of the general membership be accomplished on the newsgroup.
This would allow much greater participation than the typical 15-20%
of the membership that turn out for a meeting. It would also allow
for a comment period prior to a vote so that every member has time to
present thoughtful opinions on the business before the Association,
not just those who come to the meetings.

There are many additional benefits to the newsgroup, which, I think
will bring the membership closer to the business of the Association,
not farther away as some have predicted. As we move forward in the
21st century our tools and methods need to adapt to the technology
and lifestyles of our membership. The Coordinator served us very well
in the pre-email culture, its time for us to move on and this
newsgroup is one of the ways we hope to do this.

Please plan to attend the August 3 general membership meeting in
Kirkland (directions available from the www.wwara.org website.) to
express your comments and to vote on these important changes.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA


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Proposed Bylaws

Steve Szombathy <w7udi@...>
 

Mr Chairman and Board Members,

I submit for your review a proposed amendment to the WWARA Bylaws. Thses changes are due to the elimination of the "Coordinator" newletter at the last Association meeting. Also new language is added in regard to the new WWARA-Members remailer.

As per Article XIV of the Bylaws. Notification of intent to amend must be presented to the membership seven day before the next meeting. Also the Board must decide on means of notification to the membership. ie: direct USPS mailing, posting on web site, or both.

Respectfully submitted
Steve Szombathy W7UDI
Bylaws/Policy Committee


Proposed By-Laws Changes

aa7uj <aa7UJ@...>
 

Dear Members,

I am sending to each of you in a separate plain text email a proposed
set of by-law changes that reflect the membership's will to
discontinue The Coordinator newsletter. A Word format document may be
downloaded from this newsgroup. It was an attachment to an earlier
posting from Steve Szombathy, Chairman of the By-laws and Policy
Committee.

In compliance with our current by-laws, any proposed changes to the
by-laws must be mailed to our membership at least 7 days prior to a
general meeting for preview before the changes can be voted on. The
by-laws do not specify that the "mailing" must be via USPS.
I
therefore ask you to consider this email message as satisfying the
requirement. We will mail via USPS to the handful of members that
have not provided an email address to the Secretary. (Please keep
Mark up to date with any email address changes)

The by-law changes proposed only address the issues of dropping The
Coordinator and establishing the WWARA-Members newsgroup. We have
several other ideas regarding the by-laws but are not prepared to
present them at this time. We simply want to change the language so
that our process is in compliance with the will of the membership as
expressed by the vote of the membership at the June meeting.

I would like to propose, for example, that agenda items requiring a
vote of the general membership be accomplished on the newsgroup.
This would allow much greater participation than the typical 15-20%
of the membership that turn out for a meeting. It would also allow
for a comment period prior to a vote so that every member has time to
present thoughtful opinions on the business before the Association,
not just those who come to the meetings.

There are many additional benefits to the newsgroup, which, I think
will bring the membership closer to the business of the Association,
not farther away as some have predicted. As we move forward in the
21st century our tools and methods need to adapt to the technology
and lifestyles of our membership. The Coordinator served us very well
in the pre-email culture, its time for us to move on and this
newsgroup is one of the ways we hope to do this.

Please plan to attend the August 3 general membership meeting in
Kirkland (directions available from the www.wwara.org website.) to
express your comments and to vote on these important changes.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA


By-laws - Proposed text

aa7uj <aa7UJ@...>
 

Western Washington Amateur Relay Association
Bylaws
Adopted August 3, 2002

Article I: Name
This organization shall be known as the Western Washington Amateur
Relay Association hereinafter referred to as the WWARA. The WWARA is
incorporated in the state of Washington as a non-profit corporation
and enjoys a non profit status with the United States Internal
Revenue Service. The term "relay" shall be defined as including
repeaters, remote bases and remotely controlled stations, herein
after referred to as systems.

Article II: Purpose
The purpose of the WWARA shall be:

a. Provide voluntary system coordination recommendations for
efficient management of repeater sub band spectrum as identified in
CFR 47, Part 97.

b. To recommend technical and operational standards for amateur
radio relay systems when requested by individuals who are authorized
to operate in the repeater sub band spectrum as defined by CFR 47,
Part 97.

c. To provide educational opportunities to all individuals who
are authorized to operate in the repeater sub band spectrum as
identified in CFR 47, Part 97, by identifying ways to minimize radio
interference between and among systems and users in those repeater
sub bands identified in CFR 47, Part 97.

Article III: Membership
Membership in the WWARA shall be open to all individuals or
organizations that wish to join and make payment of annual dues.

a. The membership period shall be the calendar year, January
first through December 31st. Any member with dues lapsed for more
than the current year shall be required to apply as a new member.
Dues received between January 1st and October 31st will be credited
towards the current year dues. Dues received in November or December
will be credited towards the following year dues.
b. Application for new membership will be recognized at the
current meeting, and will have the rights of member at the next
meeting.

Article IV: Voting
Section 1. The right to vote in matter of WWARA business shall be
accorded each member whose Association Membership dues are current.
Section 2. Each member may exercise his or her vote through a party
designated by that representative in writing, presented to the
Secretary at or before a meeting.

Article V: Board of Directors
Section 1. Structure
The Board of Directors shall consist of three Officers, Chairman,
Vice-Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer and four representatives.

Section 2. Duties of Board
The Board of Directors shall be responsible for administering WWARA
activities in accordance with the wants and needs of the members
subject to the Bylaws.

Section 3. Elections of Board
The election of Directors shall take place at the last General
Business meeting of the year.

Section 4. Board Qualifications
The Board of directors shall be elected from individual WWARA
members. Nominees if not present shall submit evidence as to their
willingness to serve.

Representative positions 1 and 2 shall be nominated from members
living in the Snohomish, King or Pierce counties. Representative
positions 3 and 4 shall be nominated from members living outside
Snohomish, King or Pierce counties. In the event that there are no
members willing to serve as representative from within these
geographical boundaries, nominations shall be accepted for any member
regardless of geographical location.

Section 5. Terms of Office
a. The office of Chairman, Vice-Chairman, Secretary, and
Treasurer shall be one calendar year.
b. Representatives shall be two calendar years. Odd numbered
Representative positions shall be elected to serve beginning in odd
numbered years. Example, Representative positions 1 and 3 will be
elected December 2000 to begin serving 2 calendar years starting 2001.

Section 6. Limitation of Terms
a. Representatives shall not be reelected unless the office
holder has been appointed by the Board to fill an unexpired term
subject to Section 4 of this Article.
b. Representatives appointed to fill an unexpired term greater
than 12 months are not eligible to be elected as a representative.
c. Officers may be reelected.

Section 7. Director Vacancy
In the event a Director is unable to complete his or her term for any
reason the Board of Directors shall appoint a temporary Director who
will serve until the next election.

Representative positions 1 and 2 shall first be appointed from
members living in Snohomish, King or Pierce County. Representative
positions 3 and 4 shall first be appointed from members living
outside Snohomish, King, or Pierce County. If there are no members
living within the specific geographical boundaries willing to serve,
the Board may appoint any member to fill the vacancy through the end
of the representatives unexpired term.

The positions of Vice-Chairman, Secretary, or Treasurer may be
appointed from any member.

Section 8. Removal of a Director
A Director can be removed by a majority vote of the Board of
Directors or by the membership.

Section 9. Decisions of Directors
All Board of Directors' actions may be reversed by a majority vote of
the membership.

Section 10. Automatic Resignation of Director
The Board of Directors shall replace Board of Directors members
missing three consecutive general business meetings.

Article VI: Duties of Officers
Section 1. It shall be the duty of the Chairman to:
a. Represent the membership, declaring its will and obeying its
command in all matters and regards.
b. Preside over all WWARA meetings.
c. Supervise the activities of all standing committees.

Section 2. It shall be the duty of the Vice-Chairman to:
a. Represent the membership, declaring its will and obeying its
command in all matters and regards.
b. In the absence of the Chairman preside over all WWARA
meetings.
c. Be chairman of the Membership Committee.

Section 3. It shall be the duty of the Secretary to:
a. Keep accurate minutes of all meetings and correspondence.
b. Perform such secretarial duties as may be requested by the
Directors and or Committee Chairpersons.
c. Maintain the only official WWARA database record and make it
available for official business.
d. Maintain an official roster of the membership and maintain
current accurate copies of all organizational documents (including by-
laws and policies).

Section 4. It shall be the duty of the Treasurer:
a. Keep accurate records of all financial transactions of the
WWARA.
b. Report financial status at General Meetings.
c. Perform such financial duties as may be requested by the
Directors.

Section 5. Representative Duties
a. It shall be the duty of the Representatives to assist in the
administration and in representing the membership and obeying its
command in all matters and regards.
b. Participate in discussions related to the work of the
Association.
c. To assist, where needed, in the work of the Association.
d. To monitor the work of the Association for compliance with
these Bylaws and the current WWARA Coordination Policies.
e. To monitor the effectiveness of the WWARA's Policies on an on
going basis and present to the Board and Members recommendations for
changes that will improve the effectiveness of the organization.
f. To verify that the work of the WWARA is in compliance with
CFR 47, Part 97.
g. In the event that the Representatives monitor a violation or
inconsistency with the Association's operation the Representatives
shall present their findings to the membership at the next General
Business meeting.

Article VII: Appointments and Committees

Appointments and Committee chairpersons shall be members of the
Association.

Section 1. Technical Committee
The Technical Committee of the WWARA shall be a standing committee of
the WWARA. The WWARA Board of Directors shall appoint its members.
The function of the Technical Committee shall be to:
a. Advise the Board as to technical matters.
b. To assist members of the WWARA in resolving technical matters.

Section 2. Membership Committee
The Vice-Chairman shall chair the Membership Committee of the WWARA.
The function of the committee shall be to:
a. Solicit membership in the Association from all individuals
who are authorized to operate in the repeater sub band as identified
in CFR47, Part 97.
b. Maintain a voting security system.

Section 3. NFCC Liaison Committee
The Board of Directors shall appoint a NFCC Liaison Committee. The
NFCC Liaison committee shall be responsible for interfacing of the
WWARA with the NFCC.

Section 4. Coordinating Committees
The Board of Directors shall appoint a chairman for the following
committees:
a. 10 and 6 meters
b. 2 Meters
c. 222 MHz
d. 440 MHz
e. 902 and 1200 MHz
Coordination committees shall keep accurate records of all
communications either verbal or written concerning their WWARA
activities and provide copies of those records to the Board of
Directors and the Secretary – Treasurer so that the records become
official documentation of the WWARA.

Coordination recommendations by each frequency coordination
committee / chairman will be reviewed and voted on by the Board of
Directors.

Section 5. WWARA Webmaster
The Board of Directors shall appoint a webmaster for the WWARA web
site. It shall be the responsibility of the webmaster to maintain
the WWARA web site, operations remailer and standardize all computer
documentation for the secure access by the Board of Directors and
informational access by the general public.

Section 6. Other Committees
The Board of Directors may establish such other committees and
appoint representatives as may be necessary to carry out WWARA
business. All committees and representatives shall be responsible to
the Board of Directors.

Section 7. Financial Review Committee
The Board of Directors shall appoint a financial review committee
consisting of the Secretary, Treasurer, one Representative and one
member at large to review the Association's financial records each
year. The financial review shall be completed between the first
Saturday of December and the first Thursday in February and whose
results shall be presented to the Membership at the February meeting.

Section 8. WWARA-Members Group Moderator
The Board of Directors shall appoint a person(s) to be WWARA-Members
Group Moderator. It shall be the responsibility of the moderator to
maintain the WWARA-Members remailer.

Article VIII: Electronic Communications
a. It is required that all elected Officers and Representatives,
as well as appointed Committee Members are capable of reception and
transmission of electronic mail.
b. The Officers and Representatives, as well as Committee
Members shall be subscribed to the "Operations Remailer"
c. The Board shall approve those that are subscribed to the
Operations Remailer.
d. The Operations Remailer shall be open to all members to view.

Article IX: Meetings

Section 1. General Business Meetings
The WWARA shall hold at least 6 General Business meetings per
calendar year and such other special meetings that may be called.
Robert's Rules of Order shall govern GBM meetings.

Section 2. Notice of Meetings
Written notice of all General Business meetings shall be posted on
the WWARA web site and WWARA-Members remailer, no less than 7 days
prior to said meetings.

Section 3. Quorum
a. Quorum for all meetings shall be those Members present.
b. Quorum for Board of Director activities shall be four
Directors.

Section 4. Physical Board Meetings

a. The Board of Directors may convene a physical meeting to
conduct business of the Association when circumstances dictate the
necessity.
b. The Chairman, 4 Directors or a written request of 25% of the
members may call special meetings. Reasonable effort shall be made to
notify all Directors and Members.
c. All physical Board meetings shall be held in a public
accessible venue.
d. The Board shall designate an individual responsible to
publicize physical Board meetings in as much in advance as possible.
Each member of record shall be emailed and/or posted on WWARA-Members
remailer. Notice of the meeting also shall be published on the
Association's web site.

Section 5. Regular Meetings
All General Business Meetings of the WWARA shall be held in public
buildings or facilities open to all interested parties. The Board of
Directors shall set the time and location for all meetings.

Section 6. Virtual Board Meetings
a. The WWARA Operations Remailer shall function as a continuous
virtual meeting via which the business of the association shall take
place. All routine OFFICIAL work of the Association shall take place
via the Operations Remailer. Any direct communications between
subscribers shall not be deemed official communications and shall not
be considered official WWARA business.
b. Communications between the various Committee Chairmen and the
Board and/or its members shall be copied to the Operations Remailer.
c. The Chairman or Vice Chairman shall moderate Operations
Remailer discussions between Board and Committee Members in such a
manner as to assist in the discharge of Association Business and
encourage participation by all.
d. Decisions made by Committees shall be presented to the Board
via the Operations Remailer for review.
e. In the event a Board decision is not unanimous, the Board
shall be polled and the results of that vote shall be presented to
the Membership at the next meeting.
f. A Board member not agreeing with a decision by the majority
of the Board may if he wishes present his position to the Membership
at the next general business meeting. The Board members shall advise
the other members of his decision to address the membership via the
Operations Remailer.
g. A summary of decisions made by the Board shall be reported to
the membership at the next general business meeting where adequate
time shall be provided for questions and explanations in addition to
being published on the WWARA web site.


Article X: Dues and Assessments
WWARA dues and assessments shall be determined by the Board of
Directors and approved by the membership.

Article XI: Affiliations
The WWARA may affiliate with or sponsor such other organizations, as
the Association may deem appropriate.

Article XII: Binding Actions
All actions passed by a vote of the WWARA within the authority of
these Bylaws shall be considered binding on all members as the policy
of the WWARA.

Article XIII: Disbursement of funds
Should the WWARA disband, the remaining funds from the treasury shall
be donated to a nonprofit organization of similar interest or the
National Frequency Coordination Council.

Article XIV: Amendments
The Bylaws may be amended by a majority vote of the membership at a
General or Special membership meeting. Notification of intent to
amend must be made 7 days prior to the meeting.

Article XV: Indemnification
Actions for the behalf of the Corporation by the Directors shall be
indemnified to fullest extend allowed by law.

Article XVI: Glossary

CFR Code of Federal Regulations
GBM General Business Meeting
MHz MegaHertz
NFCC National Frequency Coordination Council








Revision history:
08/05/00 Significant re-write resulting from the "Re-Tooling"
sessions.
12/01/01 Changed to split the Secretary/Treasurer position
into separate Board positions.
08/03/02 Added WWARA-Members remailer and WWARA web site
language in place of Coordinator


Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed By-Laws Changes

aa7UJ@...
 

NO.  YOU SHOULD DO IT!!!

I have personally been begging for volunteers to keep the newsletter going.  I will try one more time. If you are as passionate as you say, show it by volunteering to help  produce the newsletter.

I too hated to see the newsletter go away.  This is not "my favorite way of doing things" but is the best alternative I could find to try to keep our communications with the membership alive.

It is no longer up for debate as to whether to stop the newsletter. That happened months ago.  It was the membership that voted to suspend the newsletter and it will take the membership to bring it back.  I am only trying to obey the will of the group. I will gladly entertain a motion to bring back The Coordinator after a volunteer comes forward.  But don't demand that I do all the work while you are willing to do nothing.  We will all get out of the association proportionate to what we put in.

I have no personal agenda.  I already volunteer untold hours to the association along with the Band Chairs, Board of Directors, Committee Chairmen and most unselfishly, the Secretary. We are doing our part, where is your participation? Or, is it limited to taking "pot shots" weeks after the members that came to the meeting voted on the issue. 

Our primary mission is to coordinate repeater frequencies. We just have enough volunteers to meet this goal. The newsletter is a luxury we don't have enough help to do. Are you willing to help? Or just criticize.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA



In a message dated 7/27/2002 1:18:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fvolz@... writes:


I am not in favor of discontinuing the newsletter... I have not taken part
in the yahoo groups ... I work two jobs and do not have time to spend
sitting by the computer and cruising through ramblings of hordes of
people... I have to sort 125 pieces of e- mail as it is just to get the 10
that are addressed to me.... If as you said in the last newsletter it is
just a few minuts to get the newsletter published then you should do it!!!
Not discard it for your personal favorite way of doing things....

Frank Volz
KA7DNK
representing 147.24,444.600,224.83,224.86,443.825
t 07:31 PM 07/24/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear Members,
>
>I am sending to each of you in a separate plain text email a proposed
>set of by-law changes that reflect the membership's will to
>discontinue The Coordinator newsletter. A Word format document may be
>downloaded from this newsgroup. It was an attachment to an earlier
>posting from Steve Szombathy, Chairman of the By-laws and Policy
>Committee.
>
>In compliance with our current by-laws, any proposed changes to the
>by-laws must be mailed to our membership at least 7 days prior to a
>general meeting for preview before the changes can be voted on.  The
>by-laws do not specify that the "mailing" must be via USPS.
>I
>therefore ask you to consider this email message as satisfying the
>requirement. We will mail via USPS to the handful of members that
>have not provided an email address to the Secretary. (Please keep
>Mark up to date with any email address changes)
>
>The by-law changes proposed only address the issues of dropping The
>Coordinator and establishing the WWARA-Members newsgroup.  We have
>several other ideas regarding the by-laws but are not prepared to
>present them at this time.  We simply want to change the language so
>that our process is in compliance with the will of the membership as
>expressed by the vote of the membership at the June meeting.
>
>I would like to propose, for example, that agenda items requiring a
>vote of the general membership be accomplished on the newsgroup.
>This would allow much greater participation than the typical 15-20%
>of the membership that turn out for a meeting. It would also allow
>for a comment period prior to a vote so that every member has time to
>present thoughtful opinions on the business before the Association,
>not just those who come to the meetings.
>
>There are many additional benefits to the newsgroup, which, I think
>will bring the membership closer to the business of the Association,
>not farther away as some have predicted.  As we move forward in the
>21st century our tools and methods need to adapt to the technology
>and lifestyles of our membership. The Coordinator served us very well
>in the pre-email culture, its time for us to move on and this
>newsgroup is one of the ways we hope to do this.
>
>Please plan to attend the August 3 general membership meeting in
>Kirkland (directions available from the www.wwara.org website.) to
>express your comments and to vote on these important changes.
>
>John Schurman, AA7UJ
>Chairman WWARA
>



Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed By-Laws Changes

Mark McClain <n6oby@...>
 

Dear Frank,
 
It appears your copy of the last newsletter may have been damaged in the mail.  Nowhere in the copies I have does it state that it takes a "few minutes" to get the newsletter published.  The fact is, as we have clearly communicated in the past 3 General Membership meetings, the Editor position would require "a few hours every other month".
 
The bottom line is that no one stepped forward with a commitment to be the Editor on-going basis.  If nobody does it, it obviously isn't going to get done- no matter how many people complain or state they are not in favor of it being discontinued.  The membership of an all-volunteer organization is going to get out of it what is put in.
 
I can relate to what you are saying about work, jobs, email, etc.  Everyone seems to have less and less time they are willing to devote to hobbies.  Everyone gets tons of emails.  I have a full-time job.  Plus, I take care of a majority of the paperwork and coordination database for the WWARA as Secretary.  I get about 100 emails a day counting the 10-15 spam, not counting an average of 5-10 emails per day for WWARA business.  My participation in the WWARA is equivalent to a part-time job with one big difference.  THE PAY SUCKS!  Should I be expected to do the newsletter?  The other Board positions and Band Chairs, Tech support, etc are just like me..... They already put in time for the WWARA in a variety of positions.
 
When it comes down to it, does it really matter if you get information on a printed piece of paper- versus- on your PC screen?  I don't think so.  I read just as fast when it's on the screen as opposed to on paper.
 
I am just as sorry as the next person to see "The Coordinator" newsletter become a thing of the past, or at least until someone steps up to the plate and gets it done.... every other month, after every other month.  If you, or someone you know, would like to do this, please contact our Chairman, John Schurman- AA7UJ
 
Mark McClain
 



Mark McClain, N6OBY                  WWARA
WWARA Secretary                      16541 Redmond Way
http://www.wwara.org                 PMB 243
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-----Original Message-----
From: F. Volz [mailto:fvolz@...]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:28 AM
To: WWARA-Members@...
Subject: Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed By-Laws Changes

I am not in favor of discontinuing the newsletter... I have not taken part
in the yahoo groups ... I work two jobs and do not have time to spend
sitting by the computer and cruising through ramblings of hordes of
people... I have to sort 125 pieces of e- mail as it is just to get the 10
that are addressed to me.... If as you said in the last newsletter it is
just a few minuts to get the newsletter published then you should do it!!!
Not discard it for your personal favorite way of doing things....

Frank Volz
KA7DNK
representing 147.24,444.600,224.83,224.86,443.825
t 07:31 PM 07/24/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear Members,
>
>I am sending to each of you in a separate plain text email a proposed
>set of by-law changes that reflect the membership's will to
>discontinue The Coordinator newsletter. A Word format document may be
>downloaded from this newsgroup. It was an attachment to an earlier
>posting from Steve Szombathy, Chairman of the By-laws and Policy
>Committee.
>
>In compliance with our current by-laws, any proposed changes to the
>by-laws must be mailed to our membership at least 7 days prior to a
>general meeting for preview before the changes can be voted on.  The
>by-laws do not specify that the "mailing" must be via USPS.
>I
>therefore ask you to consider this email message as satisfying the
>requirement. We will mail via USPS to the handful of members that
>have not provided an email address to the Secretary. (Please keep
>Mark up to date with any email address changes)
>
>The by-law changes proposed only address the issues of dropping The
>Coordinator and establishing the WWARA-Members newsgroup.  We have
>several other ideas regarding the by-laws but are not prepared to
>present them at this time.  We simply want to change the language so
>that our process is in compliance with the will of the membership as
>expressed by the vote of the membership at the June meeting.
>
>I would like to propose, for example, that agenda items requiring a
>vote of the general membership be accomplished on the newsgroup.
>This would allow much greater participation than the typical 15-20%
>of the membership that turn out for a meeting. It would also allow
>for a comment period prior to a vote so that every member has time to
>present thoughtful opinions on the business before the Association,
>not just those who come to the meetings.
>
>There are many additional benefits to the newsgroup, which, I think
>will bring the membership closer to the business of the Association,
>not farther away as some have predicted.  As we move forward in the
>21st century our tools and methods need to adapt to the technology
>and lifestyles of our membership. The Coordinator served us very well
>in the pre-email culture, its time for us to move on and this
>newsgroup is one of the ways we hope to do this.
>
>Please plan to attend the August 3 general membership meeting in
>Kirkland (directions available from the www.wwara.org website.) to
>express your comments and to vote on these important changes.
>
>John Schurman, AA7UJ
>Chairman WWARA
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>WWARA-Members-unsubscribe@...
>
>
>
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Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed By-Laws Changes

Stuart W Farmer <k7wf@...>
 

Your advise at the end of this message (how to unsubscribe) doesn't work.
Believe me, I've tried it!!!

Sincerely, Stuart Farmer, K7WF

==================================================================
On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:49:42 -0800 "F. Volz" <fvolz@...> writes:

AHHHH A good offence.... will hide a lot.... I was offering my
opinion ...
It sounds like my opinion struck a nerve.... GOOD... I donate my
time to
the local clubs enough that I do not feel bad about your Problem
....
Frank ...

PS. Have a Great Day... I will....

NO. YOU SHOULD DO IT!!!

I have personally been begging for volunteers to keep the
newsletter
going. I will try one more time. If you are as passionate as you
say,
show it by volunteering to help produce the newsletter.

I too hated to see the newsletter go away. This is not "my
favorite way
of doing things" but is the best alternative I could find to try to
keep
our communications with the membership alive.

It is no longer up for debate as to whether to stop the newsletter.
That
happened months ago. It was the membership that voted to suspend
the
newsletter and it will take the membership to bring it back. I am
only
trying to obey the will of the group. I will gladly entertain a
motion to
bring back The Coordinator after a volunteer comes forward. But
don't
demand that I do all the work while you are willing to do nothing.
We
will all get out of the association proportionate to what we put
in.

I have no personal agenda. I already volunteer untold hours to the
association along with the Band Chairs, Board of Directors,
Committee
Chairmen and most unselfishly, the Secretary. We are doing our
part, where
is your participation? Or, is it limited to taking "pot shots"
weeks after
the members that came to the meeting voted on the issue.

Our primary mission is to coordinate repeater frequencies. We just
have
enough volunteers to meet this goal. The newsletter is a luxury we
don't
have enough help to do. Are you willing to help? Or just
criticize.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA



In a message dated 7/27/2002 1:18:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fvolz@... writes:


I am not in favor of discontinuing the newsletter... I have not
taken part
in the yahoo groups ... I work two jobs and do not have time to
spend
sitting by the computer and cruising through ramblings of hordes
of
people... I have to sort 125 pieces of e- mail as it is just to
get the 10
that are addressed to me.... If as you said in the last newsletter
it is
just a few minuts to get the newsletter published then you should
do it!!!
Not discard it for your personal favorite way of doing things....

Frank Volz
KA7DNK
representing 147.24,444.600,224.83,224.86,443.825
t 07:31 PM 07/24/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Dear Members,

I am sending to each of you in a separate plain text email a
proposed
set of by-law changes that reflect the membership's will to
discontinue The Coordinator newsletter. A Word format document
may be
downloaded from this newsgroup. It was an attachment to an
earlier
posting from Steve Szombathy, Chairman of the By-laws and
Policy
Committee.

In compliance with our current by-laws, any proposed changes to
the
by-laws must be mailed to our membership at least 7 days prior
to a
general meeting for preview before the changes can be voted on.
The
by-laws do not specify that the "mailing" must be via USPS.
I
therefore ask you to consider this email message as satisfying
the
requirement. We will mail via USPS to the handful of members
that
have not provided an email address to the Secretary. (Please
keep
Mark up to date with any email address changes)

The by-law changes proposed only address the issues of dropping
The
Coordinator and establishing the WWARA-Members newsgroup. We
have
several other ideas regarding the by-laws but are not prepared
to
present them at this time. We simply want to change the
language so
that our process is in compliance with the will of the
membership as
expressed by the vote of the membership at the June meeting.

I would like to propose, for example, that agenda items
requiring a
vote of the general membership be accomplished on the
newsgroup.
This would allow much greater participation than the typical
15-20%
of the membership that turn out for a meeting. It would also
allow
for a comment period prior to a vote so that every member has
time to
present thoughtful opinions on the business before the
Association,
not just those who come to the meetings.

There are many additional benefits to the newsgroup, which, I
think
will bring the membership closer to the business of the
Association,
not farther away as some have predicted. As we move forward in
the
21st century our tools and methods need to adapt to the
technology
and lifestyles of our membership. The Coordinator served us very
well
in the pre-email culture, its time for us to move on and this
newsgroup is one of the ways we hope to do this.

Please plan to attend the August 3 general membership meeting
in
Kirkland (directions available from the www.wwara.org website.)
to
express your comments and to vote on these important changes.

John Schurman, AA7UJ
Chairman WWARA


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City, State, Zip: Kirkland, WA


Notes: Directions: From Interstate-405 take Exit 18 [Redmond-Kirkland] onto NE 85th Street (aka WA State Route 908) and proceed East towards Redmond. Travel three blocks to 124th Ave NE and turn North [left at Macdonald's]. Travel approx. 1/2 mile, Fire Station #26 will be on the right at corner of NE 100th St. and 124th Ave. NE. Link to MapQuest map- http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?size=big&mapdata=xU4YXdELrnBxJDQB%2f%2fskfvnosaKnK28SD68ndOhq50dS92EajiE6wMCXvlWPN19mGwC4zwOzVUiIxDf%2f6yTZgf1Zz2kdk1OMCufAAwEn0XXh8bMS%2f1mz7GR3%2bgqDycwXl77vfSyrTG6ajSfpjK97oG36TodZLopBdrhSXMq2zMa4sJgVAgD9V4

 
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EQUIPMENT THEFT

J-MarCom <jmarcinko@...>
 

A heads up for all repeater owners and operators!


FW: [COORDINATOR] Unlicensed users on 70cm! FCC RM-10521

Mark McClain <n6oby@...>
 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: w4fal [mailto:flynch@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:10 AM
To: COORDINATOR@...
Subject: [COORDINATOR] Unlicensed users on 70cm! FCC RM-10521

Visit the ARRL web site,
                 
http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/08/15/101/?nc=1

to read about the latest Petition of Rulemaking before the FCC.

I urge you to follow the instructions in the ARRL page, and go to the
FCC Electronic Comments section and petition AGAINST RM-10521.

An amateur from Virginia has petitioned the FCC to allocate eight
channels in the 70-cm band for use by visitors from Europe and the
United Kingdom with Personal Mobile Radio (PMR 446) transceivers. The
recently authorized PMR 446 is similar to the US Family Radio Service.
Dr Michael Trahos, KB4PGC, a physician from Alexandria, filed the
petition last January, saying it would help to promote international
goodwill. The FCC on August 8 designated the petition as RM-10521 and
invited comments on the proposal within 30 days.

As frequency coordinators and stewards of the 70cm spectrum we should
all read this petition and file comments with the FCC to oppose same.

73,

Frank A. Lynch, W4FAL
SERA NC Vice Director



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Re: [WWARA-Members] FW: [COORDINATOR] Unlicensed users on 70cm! FCC RM-10521

k7pp@...
 

I tried to file a comment and the FCC's system said that RM-10521 was
not open to electronic filing.
Anyone know wazzzup

Pete

Mark McClain wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: w4fal [mailto:flynch@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:10 AM
To: COORDINATOR@...
Subject: [COORDINATOR] Unlicensed users on 70cm! FCC RM-10521

Visit the ARRL web site,

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/08/15/101/?nc=1

to read about the latest Petition of Rulemaking before the FCC.

I urge you to follow the instructions in the ARRL page, and go to the
FCC Electronic Comments section and petition AGAINST RM-10521.

An amateur from Virginia has petitioned the FCC to allocate eight
channels in the 70-cm band for use by visitors from Europe and the
United Kingdom with Personal Mobile Radio (PMR 446) transceivers. The
recently authorized PMR 446 is similar to the US Family Radio Service.
Dr Michael Trahos, KB4PGC, a physician from Alexandria, filed the
petition last January, saying it would help to promote international
goodwill. The FCC on August 8 designated the petition as RM-10521 and
invited comments on the proposal within 30 days.

As frequency coordinators and stewards of the 70cm spectrum we should
all read this petition and file comments with the FCC to oppose same.

73,

Frank A. Lynch, W4FAL
SERA NC Vice Director

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WWARA Data Base

k7mxe
 

I think it should be made available to members of the WWARA
before it is shared with BC and OR. It has not been blocked
to members because some did not want personel information to
become available. Make the frequencys available to us first,
we are paying the tariff.. Bob Heselberg Elbe Wa.


Re: [WWARA-Members] WWARA Data Base

Mark McClain <n6oby@...>
 

Bob,
 
Sharing the data with WWARA members isn't necessarily going to aid in the coordination process- which is the WWARA's primary mission.
 
(I don't quite understand your second sentence.?.?.?)
 
Mark
 

-----Original Message-----
From: k7mxe [mailto:k7mxe@...]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 4:56 AM
To: WWARA-Members@...
Subject: [WWARA-Members] WWARA Data Base

I think it should be made available to members of the WWARA
before it is shared with BC and OR.  It has not been blocked
to members because some did not want personel information to
become available.  Make the frequencys available to us first,
we are paying the tariff.. Bob Heselberg Elbe Wa.



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General Business Meeting, 10/3/2002, 7:00 pm

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Proposed Policies Changes

Steve Szombathy <w7udi@...>
 

Mr Chairman, Board Members, and Members,

I submit for your review, proposed changes to the WWARA Coordination Policies. This is the first draft copy and not the final product. I hope to have no more then three draft copies before the final proposal is submitted for vote by the membership.

Please address the Section and Subsection of the policies for your questions, concerns or comments. Most of the changes are language clean up changes, and some new Subsections were also added.

Section 22 and 23 were not addressed at this time. I am in need of some input on these Sections.

Respectfully submitted
Steve Szombathy W7UDI
Bylaws/Policy Committee


Proposed Policies Changes

Steve Szombathy <w7udi@...>
 

John,

I have not done a summary yet. I was looking at doing that in the final version. I made the changes in Word 97. But cheecked it with Word 95 to make sure it would open. Both versions work.

I made a PDF file of the changes so this should work too.

Let me know if this does not work for you.

Steve
W7UDI


Re: [WWARA-Members] Proposed Policies Changes

aa7UJ@...
 

The .pdf file is great!  It shows the revision marks and should make it easy for anyone to recognize what the proposed changes are.  You might want to post this bakc to the members remailer with a note indicating this version shows the revisions.

Thanks again,

John AA7UJ

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