GPS Antenna


Rolf Ekstrand
 

Greetings ya'll 

After 6 weeks as a snowbird down at Orange Beach, I returned home to EN52wx and found my outdoor GPS antenna had also gone south when I was gone. Thus, I am now temporary running the Kiwi on an indoor antenna. 
Definitely,  this is not as good as the outdoor one and at least on FST4W will create too much spread. 
New I am looking for a new  outdoor antenna.  I am thinking about a marine one this time, but wonder if this is the way to go, or ?

Comments anyone? 
Rolf  K9DZT



Jim Lill
 

these are known to work and are commonly on eBay

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On 3/6/23 14:22, Rolf Ekstrand wrote:

Greetings ya'll 

After 6 weeks as a snowbird down at Orange Beach, I returned home to EN52wx and found my outdoor GPS antenna had also gone south when I was gone. Thus, I am now temporary running the Kiwi on an indoor antenna. 
Definitely,  this is not as good as the outdoor one and at least on FST4W will create too much spread. 
New I am looking for a new  outdoor antenna.  I am thinking about a marine one this time, but wonder if this is the way to go, or ?

Comments anyone? 
Rolf  K9DZT



John DF4UE
 

Rolf,
the spectral spread of your FST4W decodes are not influenced by the GPS correction in the Kiwi. The GPS will only correct the frequency offset from time to time. The  contribution of the Kiwi to the reported spectral spread  is a characteristic of the clock oscillator used in the Kiwi.

John   DF4UE


Glenn Elmore
 

I think that this is correct for the shorter FST4W  modes such as -120 which has sub-second symbols.   The correction/aiding of the Kiwi's GPS may only happen every 1 or 2 seconds, so the Kiwi's crystal alone determines the spread within a symbol time. Values on the order of 35 mHz seem typical of most Kiwi's although (perhaps) we know of one that was very much worse. 

For long modes, -600, -900, -1800 it is possible that the on-board GPS-aiding might make a difference.

This is perhaps less of an issue since -900 and -1800 are possibly too long and too demanding for mid/upper HF use with propagation involving the ionosphere.   I don't know if Kiwi GPS-aiding occurs frequently enough to make a difference for -300, or not.

 Has anyone examined this?

On 3/6/23 14:40, John DF4UE wrote:

Rolf,
the spectral spread of your FST4W decodes are not influenced by the GPS correction in the Kiwi. The GPS will only correct the frequency offset from time to time. The  contribution of the Kiwi to the reported spectral spread  is a characteristic of the clock oscillator used in the Kiwi.

John   DF4UE


John DF4UE
 

Glenn,
Rob discussed this with John Seamons last year and he added the possibilty in the admin page of the Kiwi to adapt the GPS correction to a specific WSPR or FST4W mode.
So correction always happens outside of the transmission cycle.

August 2022

Not mentioned in the CHANGE_LOG, but for the WSPR/FST4W settings the ADC clock corrections occur in the 8-10 second window at the end of the cycle (mode dependent)

73
John


Erwin - PE3ES - F4VTQ
 

Doing it outside of the Rx cycle of the longer modes would mean that the drift during the Rx cycle is not influenced by the GPS. It only means that GPS based frequency corrections during a Rx cycle are not disrupting anything.
I remember Rob telling us later that it is not needed to handle the GPS signal this way.


Glenn Elmore
 

Erwin,

I confess to not being fully up on this topic but I do believe that GPS-aiding in the Kiwi when put into 'continuous' mode does result in spreading that typically measures on the order of 35 mHz on 20m.   This has been what I've measured at any rate.

I'm unclear of the value of the other selections, modulos even-2/WSPR, 5,15 and 30 (FST4W). If and when I do run with only GPS-aiding I always select 'continuous'.   I presume that the timing engine within the on-board GNSS module does not calculate and deliver timing information more often than every second, but I don't know this for sure.

Glenn


On 3/7/23 01:51, Erwin - PE3ES - F4VTQ via groups.io wrote:

Doing it outside of the Rx cycle of the longer modes would mean that the drift during the Rx cycle is not influenced by the GPS. It only means that GPS based frequency corrections during a Rx cycle are not disrupting anything.
I remember Rob telling us later that it is not needed to handle the GPS signal this way.


Rob Robinett
 

In our tests the Kiwi's continuous update setting gave the most wpsr-2 decodes.
I don't recall testing the effect of that setting upon FST4W decodes, but I would expect similar results

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:51 AM Erwin - PE3ES - F4VTQ via groups.io <waterwin2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Doing it outside of the Rx cycle of the longer modes would mean that the drift during the Rx cycle is not influenced by the GPS. It only means that GPS based frequency corrections during a Rx cycle are not disrupting anything.
I remember Rob telling us later that it is not needed to handle the GPS signal this way.



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Bo, OZ2M
 

Here is an idea for a DIY GNSS radome made from UV proof drainpipe.

Bo
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