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Re: Magic numbers in FLRIG processing of FTdx101D power, SWR and ALC #flrig #windows-10

Philip Rose
 

Hi Bert and Dave, 

I've always assumed Under GPL if you make your software publicly available you have to make any source based on GPL code available. 
Lawyers for a company I used to work for thought GPL contaminated all code we wrote if one part of it was based on GPL.

73 Phil GM3ZZA

On 29 Jul 2021 19:10, Bert - W0RSB <w0rsb@...> wrote:
Dave,

I won't actually be stealing any code. It's been at least 2 decades (really!) since I wrote a line of C++ and I really made little sense of what I saw, hence my reference to "magic numbers."

Thanks for the insight into the process though. Your quick explanation of the "linear interpolation between measured values" gave me far more insight into the process than I'd been able to dig out by reading the code.

Anyway, the idea of "publishing" my code makes my blood run cold, aside from the fact that i can't imagine anyone wanting to use a product of my very idiosyncratic coding style. When I was working, it was made very clear that I would never be asked (or even allowed) to have anything to do with designing user interfaces. I occasionally forget what some of the fields on the tables mean in my own software.
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73,
Bert - W0RSB

Re: FLRIG WONT LOAD #flrig

David Tucker
 

Thats the problem CLiff I cant even get to the config file. I got COM 6 as rig control with no other programs running. Like I said com 6 is for rig control. The config file go to abt 3/4 and reports not responding. Renaming the perf files didn't do the job.

Thanks for trying to help. But I am at loss right now. Done everything possible and no go. Using a Kenwood 2000 rig control com 6. Yes there is  a serial port to the rig. Like I said ACLOG and Dx Commander works fine.


On 7/29/2021 1:43 PM, Cliff wrote:

Dave,

Actually what you report is good news if this is after renaming the prefs files. Close the error popup and open the config dialog. Setup the Transceiver config elements, mainly the Rig Name, Serial Connection and Baud rate (the defaults for the other settings are normally fine) and hit init. If the serial connection is good the init button should change from red to black and the little diamond beside the button should turn green. Be sure you have the correct baud rate set for what is set on the rig. The normal flrig GUI should then popup.

Flrig looks like a small program, but it’s doing a lot of talking with the rig and fldigi so there’s quite a bit going on behind the scenes. I don’t think most people realize what has to all take place to have it do what seems like a simple thing.

I just realized I didn’t ask you what rig you are using and what the serial connection(s) is(are) between the computer and the rig.

If we have to come down to renaming the flrig.files directory just make it flrig.files1. That will cause flrig to start totally from scratch.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 29, 2021, at 09:50, Dave Tucker Nu4N <dwtucker19@...> wrote:

Well CLiff I have dont about everything. Shut down all programs using COM 6. Rebooted,reinstalled about every thing possible. Renamed a couple on perf files as a fellow suggested. When I open FLRIG it gets about 3/4 th of the way and stops and says no response.

What do u suggest the flrig .files name?? This is such a small program I can't understand why it doesn't work.

Thanks for the help.


On 7/29/2021 8:19 AM, Cliff wrote:
Dave,

Just to be sure I’m understanding what is happening - I’m I take it that flrig is not starting at all, i.e., when you click the icon nothing happens. If this is not the case please be more specific as to what your are seeing/not seeing so I know what we’re dealing with.

I suggest you reboot your computer and without starting any other program, with the radio on and connected to the computer, try to start flrig. Does it start now? If not then rename the flrig.files directory to something else and try to start flrig with nothing else running.

Please let me know what the results are.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 29, 2021, at 06:20, Dave Tucker Nu4N <dwtucker19@...> wrote:

Still trying to get FLRIG to load. My rig control is com 6. I don't have any other program using com6. I rarely get a message ommsay com 6 not found. I know it is there because to works on ACLOG and DX Commder.
I simple program should not that hard to load. I did change 2 of the perf files as a gentlemen suggested. Still no load.
Any thoughts ?
Thanks

73 NU4N Dave


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73 NU4N Dave

Re: FLRIG WONT LOAD #flrig

Cliff
 

Dave,

Actually what you report is good news if this is after renaming the prefs files. Close the error popup and open the config dialog. Setup the Transceiver config elements, mainly the Rig Name, Serial Connection and Baud rate (the defaults for the other settings are normally fine) and hit init. If the serial connection is good the init button should change from red to black and the little diamond beside the button should turn green. Be sure you have the correct baud rate set for what is set on the rig. The normal flrig GUI should then popup.

Flrig looks like a small program, but it’s doing a lot of talking with the rig and fldigi so there’s quite a bit going on behind the scenes. I don’t think most people realize what has to all take place to have it do what seems like a simple thing.

I just realized I didn’t ask you what rig you are using and what the serial connection(s) is(are) between the computer and the rig.

If we have to come down to renaming the flrig.files directory just make it flrig.files1. That will cause flrig to start totally from scratch.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 29, 2021, at 09:50, Dave Tucker Nu4N <dwtucker19@...> wrote:

Well CLiff I have dont about everything. Shut down all programs using COM 6. Rebooted,reinstalled about every thing possible. Renamed a couple on perf files as a fellow suggested. When I open FLRIG it gets about 3/4 th of the way and stops and says no response.

What do u suggest the flrig .files name?? This is such a small program I can't understand why it doesn't work.

Thanks for the help.


On 7/29/2021 8:19 AM, Cliff wrote:
Dave,

Just to be sure I’m understanding what is happening - I’m I take it that flrig is not starting at all, i.e., when you click the icon nothing happens. If this is not the case please be more specific as to what your are seeing/not seeing so I know what we’re dealing with.

I suggest you reboot your computer and without starting any other program, with the radio on and connected to the computer, try to start flrig. Does it start now? If not then rename the flrig.files directory to something else and try to start flrig with nothing else running.

Please let me know what the results are.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 29, 2021, at 06:20, Dave Tucker Nu4N <dwtucker19@...> wrote:

Still trying to get FLRIG to load. My rig control is com 6. I don't have any other program using com6. I rarely get a message ommsay com 6 not found. I know it is there because to works on ACLOG and DX Commder.
I simple program should not that hard to load. I did change 2 of the perf files as a gentlemen suggested. Still no load.
Any thoughts ?
Thanks

73 NU4N Dave


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73 NU4N Dave

Re: Magic numbers in FLRIG processing of FTdx101D power, SWR and ALC #flrig #windows-10

Bert - W0RSB <w0rsb@...>
 

Dave,

I won't actually be stealing any code. It's been at least 2 decades (really!) since I wrote a line of C++ and I really made little sense of what I saw, hence my reference to "magic numbers."

Thanks for the insight into the process though. Your quick explanation of the "linear interpolation between measured values" gave me far more insight into the process than I'd been able to dig out by reading the code.

Anyway, the idea of "publishing" my code makes my blood run cold, aside from the fact that i can't imagine anyone wanting to use a product of my very idiosyncratic coding style. When I was working, it was made very clear that I would never be asked (or even allowed) to have anything to do with designing user interfaces. I occasionally forget what some of the fields on the tables mean in my own software.
--
73,
Bert - W0RSB
Re: Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

Dave Tucker Nu4N
 

I had the wrong com port set at COM 5 which should have been COM 6 for rig control. May error duh !!

Thanks for the reply.

73 Dave NU4N


On 7/29/2021 10:43 AM, Philip Rose via groups.io wrote:

Hi Dave,

 

Is COM5 a valid port, just not the rig? I’ve seen similar behaviour with my IC-7300 if power is connected but the rig not switched on. The COM port is evaluated by Windows as the USB serial port is powered but the microcontroller in the rig is not, so CAT doesn’t respond.

 

73 Phil GM3ZZA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dave Tucker Nu4N
Sent: 29 July 2021 16:11
To: winfldigi@groups.io
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

 

I had rig control set at com 5 not com 6 which it should be. May error duh !!

Thanks for the help!!

73's NU4N Dave

On 7/29/2021 8:23 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I believe CAT control follows the VFO and not the memory 

73
Bob,  K4TAX


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73 NU4N Dave

 


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73 NU4N Dave
Re: Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

Philip Rose
 

Hi Dave,

 

Is COM5 a valid port, just not the rig? I’ve seen similar behaviour with my IC-7300 if power is connected but the rig not switched on. The COM port is evaluated by Windows as the USB serial port is powered but the microcontroller in the rig is not, so CAT doesn’t respond.

 

73 Phil GM3ZZA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dave Tucker Nu4N
Sent: 29 July 2021 16:11
To: winfldigi@groups.io
Subject: Re: [winfldigi] Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

 

I had rig control set at com 5 not com 6 which it should be. May error duh !!

Thanks for the help!!

73's NU4N Dave

On 7/29/2021 8:23 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I believe CAT control follows the VFO and not the memory 

73
Bob,  K4TAX


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73 NU4N Dave

 
Re: Fldigi with IC 7100 using inboard soundcard

Dave
 

Have you solved your interface problem?

David

On 7/14/21 9:15 AM, W5CTD wrote:

Are there any folks out here who use the IC7100 with its on board soundcard to work Fldigi?  I would like to
know if there is a way I can use the Icom IC7100 internal soundcard to work Fldigi without having to use
a Signalink USB.   I have been trying for a week and have so far been unsuccessful.

Re: Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

Dave Tucker Nu4N
 

I had rig control set at com 5 not com 6 which it should be. May error duh !!

Thanks for the help!!

73's NU4N Dave

On 7/29/2021 8:23 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:

I believe CAT control follows the VFO and not the memory 

73
Bob,  K4TAX

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73 NU4N Dave
Re: FLRIG WONT LOAD #flrig

Dave Tucker Nu4N
 

Well CLiff I have dont about everything. Shut down all programs using COM 6. Rebooted,reinstalled about every thing possible. Renamed a couple on perf files as a fellow suggested. When I open FLRIG it gets about 3/4 th of the way and stops and says no response.

What do u suggest the flrig .files name?? This is such a small program I can't understand why it doesn't work.

Thanks for the help.


On 7/29/2021 8:19 AM, Cliff wrote:

Dave,

Just to be sure I’m understanding what is happening - I’m I take it that flrig is not starting at all, i.e., when you click the icon nothing happens. If this is not the case please be more specific as to what your are seeing/not seeing so I know what we’re dealing with.

I suggest you reboot your computer and without starting any other program, with the radio on and connected to the computer, try to start flrig. Does it start now? If not then rename the flrig.files directory to something else and try to start flrig with nothing else running.

Please let me know what the results are.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 29, 2021, at 06:20, Dave Tucker Nu4N <dwtucker19@...> wrote:

Still trying to get FLRIG to load. My rig control is com 6. I don't have any other program using com6. I rarely get a message ommsay com 6 not found. I know it is there because to works on ACLOG and DX Commder.
I simple program should not that hard to load. I did change 2 of the perf files as a gentlemen suggested. Still no load.
Any thoughts ?
Thanks

73 NU4N Dave


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73 NU4N Dave
Re: Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

Bob McGraw - K4TAX <rmcgraw@...>
 

I believe CAT control follows the VFO and not the memory 

73
Bob,  K4TAX
Re: FLRIG WONT LOAD #flrig

Cliff
 

Dave,

Just to be sure I’m understanding what is happening - I’m I take it that flrig is not starting at all, i.e., when you click the icon nothing happens. If this is not the case please be more specific as to what your are seeing/not seeing so I know what we’re dealing with.

I suggest you reboot your computer and without starting any other program, with the radio on and connected to the computer, try to start flrig. Does it start now? If not then rename the flrig.files directory to something else and try to start flrig with nothing else running.

Please let me know what the results are.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 29, 2021, at 06:20, Dave Tucker Nu4N <dwtucker19@...> wrote:

Still trying to get FLRIG to load. My rig control is com 6. I don't have any other program using com6. I rarely get a message ommsay com 6 not found. I know it is there because to works on ACLOG and DX Commder.
I simple program should not that hard to load. I did change 2 of the perf files as a gentlemen suggested. Still no load.
Any thoughts ?
Thanks

73 NU4N Dave

FLRIG WONT LOAD #flrig

Dave Tucker Nu4N
 

Still trying to get FLRIG to load. My rig control is com 6. I don't have any other program using com6. I rarely get a message ommsay com 6 not found. I know it is there because to works on ACLOG and DX Commder.
I simple program should not that hard to load. I did change 2 of the perf files as a gentlemen suggested. Still no load.
Any thoughts ?
Thanks

73 NU4N Dave
Re: Magic numbers in FLRIG processing of FTdx101D power, SWR and ALC #flrig #windows-10

Dave
 

Independent of transceiver the returned CAT values for smeter, swr and alc are all converted to a 0...100 range such that the converted values lie on a scale associated with the respective user interface meter display.  Power is left as reported and the meter display logic limits the scaled value;

etc.

Where ever possible a cooperating user has measured return CAT values for either measured or transceiver displayed value for each of the 4 metering functions.  The conversion is then accomplished using linear interpolation between measured values.  It may be necessary to perform a conversion on the power scale if the transceiver report is not well behaved.

You are free to use any of the flrig code for your work providing you comply with the requirements of the General Public License, which basically requires that all derivative work be published as GPL and made freely available to anyone who requests the code.

73, David, W1HKJ

On 7/28/21 1:35 PM, Bert - W0RSB wrote:

I have a Yaesu FTdx10 and have written a simple program to display a handful of rig properties that I want to keep track of while I'm operating. I've found that the numeric CAT values for power (RM5) and SWR (RM6) don't directly show the actual values. It looks like the value for ALC (RM4) might not be directly usable either.

Someone in the FTdx10 groups.io forum suggested that I look at FLRIG for some insight to correctly displaying these values.
It appears that these CAT values of the FTdx10 are the same as for the FTdx101d, and I was able to run FLRIG against my FDdx10 with no problem.

Looking at src/rigs/yaesu/FTdx101D.cxx in the source code of FLRIG, I see that the CAT values are processed using some "magic numbers" to produce values suitable for display.

Before I go ahead and steal the code behind these magic numbers, if this doesn't involve revealing state secrets, I'd really appreciate it if someone could explain the reasoning behind the way the processing for these three values was developed.

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73,
Bert - W0RSB

Magic numbers in FLRIG processing of FTdx101D power, SWR and ALC #flrig #windows-10

Bert - W0RSB <w0rsb@...>
 

I have a Yaesu FTdx10 and have written a simple program to display a handful of rig properties that I want to keep track of while I'm operating. I've found that the numeric CAT values for power (RM5) and SWR (RM6) don't directly show the actual values. It looks like the value for ALC (RM4) might not be directly usable either.

Someone in the FTdx10 groups.io forum suggested that I look at FLRIG for some insight to correctly displaying these values.
It appears that these CAT values of the FTdx10 are the same as for the FTdx101d, and I was able to run FLRIG against my FDdx10 with no problem.

Looking at src/rigs/yaesu/FTdx101D.cxx in the source code of FLRIG, I see that the CAT values are processed using some "magic numbers" to produce values suitable for display.

Before I go ahead and steal the code behind these magic numbers, if this doesn't involve revealing state secrets, I'd really appreciate it if someone could explain the reasoning behind the way the processing for these three values was developed.

--
73,
Bert - W0RSB
Re: Fldigi-4.1.19, Flrig-1.4.1 Not Keying Transmitter

Dennis
 

Thanks again Cliff for pointing me in the right direction. Because of the nature of the problem and the way things were working
I suspected it had to be something I was not paying enough attention to in the setup of the software.

I did have a messy driver installation and that might have been complicating things too.

That's all cleaned up now, I learned a lot and I would like to thank you and others who provided me
with various ideas and things to check/verify.

Thanks ... Dennis ... AI6R
Re: Fldigi-4.1.19, Flrig-1.4.1 Not Keying Transmitter

Cliff
 

Whoppie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great news. Enjoy!

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:46, Dennis <DeepSkyObjectM33@...> wrote:

EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TICKET CLOSED! LOL...

Because it worked in Hamlib I knew it had to be something simple, it always is.

I had played around with this Configuration page before without success Cliff.

Could have been more than 1 problem that got fixed along the way because this time the PTT via CAT  -INIT-  button was red!
Pushed it, it came back black, pushed the CQ button to test the Tx and low and Behold there was a red light on the Tx.

Thanks to everyone who helped along the way, I hope to return the favor some day!

Sincerely, Dennis ... AI6R
Re: Fldigi-4.1.19, Flrig-1.4.1 Not Keying Transmitter

Dennis
 

EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TICKET CLOSED! LOL...

Because it worked in Hamlib I knew it had to be something simple, it always is.

I had played around with this Configuration page before without success Cliff.

Could have been more than 1 problem that got fixed along the way because this time the PTT via CAT  -INIT-  button was red!
Pushed it, it came back black, pushed the CQ button to test the Tx and low and Behold there was a red light on the Tx.

Thanks to everyone who helped along the way, I hope to return the favor some day!

Sincerely, Dennis ... AI6R
Cat control to follow freq from rig #help #flrig

Dave Tucker Nu4N
 

I am using CAT for rig control. Is there a way CAT can follow the rig freq?? I have 7.070 and 14.070 in memory off my rig.
Now I am using the drop down menu at the top of WINFIDIGI.
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73 NU4N Dave
Re: FLRIG Will not load #flrig

Dave Tucker Nu4N
 

I renamed 2 perfs files and it still won't load. What next ??
Thanks

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73 NU4N Dave
Re: Fldigi-4.1.19, Flrig-1.4.1 Not Keying Transmitter

Cliff
 

In case you are not successful playing around witht he PTT config then one long shot is to rename the flrig config directory and do a fresh setup. This is in C:\Users\<your login name>\flrig.files. Rename the directory to something like flrig.files1 and then start flrig. Sometimes a new config will fix something that got corrupted in the config.

If that doesn’t work then the archive version of flrig-1.3.52 is here: http://www.w1hkj.com/files/archives/Windows/flrig-1.3.52_setup.exe and you can try that.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:03, Dennis <DeepSkyObjectM33@...> wrote:

Thanks Cliff for everything comments and all, I do appreciate all the help.

I have played around a little in the Config area you picture here, but not a lot, it was mentioned in some of the earlier emails I researched before posting.
I'll go back and spend some quality time playing with this configuration page and try some of your suggestions.

I did want to go back to the older version of Flrig, but I foolishly deleted it rather than archiving it someplace. 
I did look around for a copy, didn't spend much time though. I'll have to look around and see if I can find it somewhere.

Thanks all again, Dennis ... AI6R

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