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Laurie Schellinger
I was wondering if anyone does sample with two different epi. I want to do a overshot project with 16/2 and don't know if I want 24 or 32 epi. It there a way to use both in one sample or should I do two? Thanks Laurie |
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sue_briney
Laurie -
I've done it both ways and it depends on how precise I need my results to be.
If I do 2 setts in one sample, I take into account that I'm fudging a bit. Often it's apparent in a side-by-side sample which sett will be better.
Sometimes I will just sample at one sett, cut off the first sample and resley at the second sett. I always try to sample at least 10-12" wide, but sometimes that's not even wide enough to accurately show how the final (wider) cloth with appear.
Sett is always a struggle!
Sue -----Original Message-----
From: Laurie Schellinger <lschell545@...> To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2022 9:26 am Subject: [weavetech] Sample. I was wondering if anyone does sample with two different epi. I want to do a overshot project with 16/2 and don't know if I want 24 or 32 epi. It there a way to use both in one sample or should I do two? Thanks Laurie
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Sara von Tresckow
If doing a small sample warp, you definitely can try both setts on the same
warp by sleying twice. It would pay to cut off the first sample to avoid ripples in the samples. Beam at a width that is between both setts and for a short sample the "spread" won't make any significant difference. Do remember, though, that narrow samples change when that sett is put on the loom at a wider width. Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI sarav@... Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough” http://www.woolgatherers.com Öxabäck Looms, Ashford products, yarns, books and more - visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning needs |
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I do them one after another, and wide enough that I can cut them down the middle warpwise. That way I can wash half and compare to what it looks like before wet finishing.
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marie Inga Marie Carmel An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve - Mies van der Rohe On Nov 11, 2022, at 09:46, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:
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Amy Parker
Two different epi need two different ppi for an accurate comparison. I would plan a 2 x 2 matrix. First weave a good length in suitable ppi for 24, then same length with tighter ppi for 32. This would give you good information, although you would need a wider (double) warp. Amy On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 9:26 AM Laurie Schellinger <lschell545@...> wrote:
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Laurie Schellinger
Thanks.Laurie On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:17 AM Amy Parker <amygwenparker@...> wrote:
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paula williams
I have done a ton of overshot. For 16/2 I always used 30 e.p.i.I
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 08:26:34 AM CST, Laurie Schellinger <lschell545@...> wrote:
I was wondering if anyone does sample with two different epi. I want to do a overshot project with 16/2 and don't know if I want 24 or 32 epi. It there a way to use both in one sample or should I do two? Thanks Laurie
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Su Butler
Overshot is usually woven with the ground cloth being a balanced plain weave. 16/2 is generally sett between 20 (for a very open fabric) to 30 (for twill) epi. If you are going to do plain weave as your ground cloth I would suggest a sett of 24-26 epi.
Best, Su Butler
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> On Behalf Of Laurie Schellinger
I was wondering if anyone does sample with two different epi. I want to do a overshot project with 16/2 and don't know if I want 24 or 32 epi. It there a way to use both in one sample or should I do two? Thanks Laurie |
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Jean Hosford
Wouldn't you actually want to sample setts between 24 epi and 32 epi? That's a huge difference!
Often it's a quite a small change that makes the difference. |
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Melodie Usher
Sett can be a difficult thing to figure out. It depends on the weave structure, the material you are weaving with, and what you want the end result to be.
I suggest that you look at the charts in Peggy Osterkamp’s book ‘Winding a Warp & Using a Paddle. She only has two weave structure classifications: Plain and Twill. You may need to do a bit of adjusting but she gives the suggested sett for many types of yarn. Each yarn has a listing for seven uses from the maximum sett to 50% of the maximum which would be suitable for delicate weaves.
The book also talks about how to adjust for different kinds of yarn, such as slippery or hairy.
You will still need to sample but by using the book to help you pick a starting sett you will probably begin at a good place.
Melodie Usher |
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Jayne F
And a lot depends on the size and grist of the pattern thread used. On Nov 12, 2022 3:04 PM, Jean Hosford <jeanhosford@...> wrote: Wouldn't you actually want to sample setts between 24 epi and 32 epi? That's a huge difference! |
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Laurie Schellinger
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Laurie On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 2:44 PM Jayne F <jhfpf@...> wrote:
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Kati Meek
Actually this heading should be “sample, sample, sample”. Jean is right: there is a BIG difference between 24 and 32 epi, and that sampling is the right course to take. Weaving is not something you can master by following someone else’s suggestions. Weaving is an art form, not a science, and ‘authorities’ are not always right. The Summer 1993 Shuttle Spindle & Dyepot published a rather helpful ‘Table of yarn count and sett’ that uses three systems and the differences in the suggestions are sometimes startling. This chart should be available from SS&D archives. It covers cotton, wool, linen & silk by ‘ply count’ as well as ypp. And a curious weaver with a McMorran balance can discover some interesting things by comparing ‘same size’ yarns from different manufacturers. Treadle with Joy, Kati
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