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Mandy Pedigo <mandy.pedigo@...>
Hello all,
I am wondering if anyone knows of resources for countermarch looms - more of the technical end of things? I have a new to me Bexell Cranbrook loom that I've been working on. I'm wondering what determines the lengths of chains for the various parts, how heddle length impacts the loom, etc.?
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Jennifer
Perhaps Schacht could be of some assistance. I’ve owned 2 Cranbrooks. My first was a Bexel and I removed the chains and replaced them with Texsolv. That was over 18 yrs ago and I can’t remember how I did it.My second Cranbrook, which I still own, needed 4 more harnesses and 2 more treadles. Schacht supplied the parts and expertise for the work. At least Schacht is a place to start. Good luck, Jennifer Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
On Thursday, February 2, 2023, 8:41 AM, Mandy Pedigo <mandy.pedigo@...> wrote: Hello all,
I am wondering if anyone knows of resources for countermarch looms - more of the technical end of things? I have a new to me Bexell Cranbrook loom that I've been working on. I'm wondering what determines the lengths of chains for the various parts, how heddle length impacts the loom, etc.?
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For one, the Bexell Cranbrook shipped with everything adjusted - the chains were cut to the proper length, the string heddles fit the shaft bars as manufactured. The half floating lams hanging from the lower shaft bars hung where they should. You simply inserted the pins (breaking several nails in the process) and started weaving. Issues arise as these looms age and the original parts wear, get lost, or get replaced by "clever" weavers who think they know better. Do you have the original assembly instructions? I no longer have my Cranbrook, but found that it worked a bit differently than my Finnish or Swedish looms, but wove excellent fabric. The looms were designed to be a bit skewed to making rugs and tapestries with the treadle gate and many beater adjustments. Since you do not advance a rug very often, it may come across as a bit odd that the warp adjustment is large compared to that of the cloth beam. In practice, I adjusted the cloth beam a few times and moved the beater back in small increments - finally letting just one slip of the warp beam happen followed by takeup on the cloth beam. If you are seeking the dimensions of the original equipment, I would put out a call to those who still have these looms with original parts and ask them to measure carefully. The chains were standard hardware store issue of a certain size, cut to a certain number of links. There was a washer on the bottom to plug the hole in the treadle. The string heddles were just the right size and on my loom from 1974, the heddles were still sound. Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI sarav@... Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough” http://www.woolgatherers.com Öxabäck Looms, Ashford products, yarns, books and more - visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning needs
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Inga Marie Carmel
Do resources for Scandinavian (Glimåkra, Öxabäck, Toika) looms help? From Sarah’s mail I’m not sure it would… but I have lots to share if it does. marie
Inga Marie Carmel An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve - Mies van der Rohe
On Feb 2, 2023, at 09:41, Mandy Pedigo <mandy.pedigo@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I am wondering if anyone knows of resources for countermarch looms - more of the technical end of things? I have a new to me Bexell Cranbrook loom that I've been working on. I'm wondering what determines the lengths of chains for the various parts, how heddle length impacts the loom, etc.?
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Mandy Pedigo <mandy.pedigo@...>
Hi Sara,
I have all the parts, manuals, etc. but for the string heddles. My question wasn't specific to the Cranbrook, but more the whys and hows of how countermarch looms and their construction.
Mandy
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Hi Everyone & Mandy
I have two Cranbrook looms 1 is 64 inches wide, countermarch action 2 is 48 inches wide and counterbalance. This loom is one of the first Cranbrook looms built. Not all Cranbrook looms are countermarch action. this loom goes back to the early to mid 1930's
The two loom the length of the heddles are 10-1/2 inches.
The length of the chains, cords, heddles, are based on the (design of the loom)
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
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I do have some information in a pdf on my website here:
https://woolgatherers.com/PHOTOS2017/Understanding_Countermarche_Looms.pdf
Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Öxabäck Looms, Ashford products, yarns, books
and more - visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
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Inga Marie Carmel
Joanne Hall has book on countermarch looms, it’s about more than tying up.
Also the Big Book of Weaving by Laila Lundell has good info, it’s originally I’m Swedish, but was translated to English, apparently that wasn’t popular since it’s already out of print. There seem to be copies at places like eBay and and Abe Books. Here’s the link at the Woolery for info, because who wants to give Amazon more attention?
marie
Inga Marie Carmel An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve - Mies van der Rohe
On Feb 2, 2023, at 15:19, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone & Mandy
I have two Cranbrook looms 1 is 64 inches wide, countermarch action 2 is 48 inches wide and counterbalance. This loom is one of the first Cranbrook looms built. Not all Cranbrook looms are countermarch action. this loom goes back to the early to mid 1930's
The two loom the length of the heddles are 10-1/2 inches.
The length of the chains, cords, heddles, are based on the (design of the loom)
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 11:52 AM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
I do have some information in a pdf on my website here:
https://woolgatherers.com/PHOTOS2017/Understanding_Countermarche_Looms.pdf
Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Öxabäck Looms, Ashford products, yarns, books
and more - visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
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Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful. It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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Hi Everyone
There are 2 type of loom actions 1 Counterbalance 2 jack action
This is a counterbalance tie up twill without the tabby/bind from left to right
14-43-32-21 I will use the X for the counterbalance
This is the tie up for a Jack tie up twill without tabby/binder from left to right
23-12-14 -34 I will use the O for the jack tie up
This is a countermarch tie up for 2/2 twill without the tabby/binder
XX00
0XX0
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X00X
We know that countermarch actions are the counterbalance and the jack tie ups working together The problem come in to play what set of lames to put the counterbalance or Jack tie up on
1 X is the counterbalance and they get tied to the upper set of lams
2 0 is the Jack and they get tied to the lower set of lams
To finish tie up I lift all the treadles up off the floor 7-1/2 inches I put the cords up from the underside of the treadles keeping the lams straight across the loom I use the jig that Glimakra made, to hold the lams for ease of tie up, it came with the loom.
Before Joanne Hall wrote her book. I sit on a stool and do my tie up on the top of the lam not under the treadles inside the loom. I am not all cramped up inside the loom frame on the floor, works for me. The worst thing Glimakra ever did was stop making the
tie up Jig.
Years ago, when I was a member of Rug Talk the topic came up about doing a countermarch tie up on a Glimakra loom. I sent a post about the same as this one, to the list. No weaver had the jig or instructions on how to use it. I bought first Glamakra standard
and the jig came with the loom a little over a year later I bought the second Glimakra standard and got the Jig with that loom as well. Weavers posted back they had no jig. It was not something that was bought extra. Not in any Swedish weaving book I have
is there a picture of the tie up jig being used. In tying up a countermarch action. Nor the one Swedish weaving magazine VAV. I have some copies of have I seen a picture of a tie up jig being used I am sure I am not the only weaver that has the jig. I have
always thought this to be odd.
What I do to tie up my Glimakra countermarch loom will not work in tying up my Cranbrook countermarch loom The upper lams are called floating lams and they are fitted to the bottom of the shafts there is not enough room for my hands to do the tie up on the
top of the lams, like I can a Glamakra loom.
This comes down to how each loom company designs their countermarch loom, each with little differences. The two looms weave wonderful. I have one of each.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
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Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful.
It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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I know that people are pointing to Swedish countermarch looms to give advice. I have a Cranbrook countermarch and from what I hear about Swedish looms from my friends, they are different. I bought mine new in 1990 and it came with chains that I still use. As was mentioned, there were two lengths and you just use the pins to put them in place. I know that newer Schacht Cranbrook looms come with texsolv connections for the treadles. (My experience with a friend is that they were a lot harder to set up for a good shed than the chains.) I haven’t had any problems with the physical action of the loom or the shed. It’s my favorite loom.
If you have the manual, that will at least help you get set up.
Good luck!
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Joe, I would love to see a picture of the jig. I’m picturing a wood “cradle” to hold lamms up?? I have an 8 shaft Ideal and would love to have my husband duplicate a jig.
Thanks
On Feb 3, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone
There are 2 type of loom actions 1 Counterbalance 2 jack action
This is a counterbalance tie up twill without the tabby/bind from left to right
14-43-32-21 I will use the X for the counterbalance
This is the tie up for a Jack tie up twill without tabby/binder from left to right
23-12-14 -34 I will use the O for the jack tie up
This is a countermarch tie up for 2/2 twill without the tabby/binder
XX00
0XX0
00XX
X00X
We know that countermarch actions are the counterbalance and the jack tie ups working together The problem come in to play what set of lames to put the counterbalance or Jack tie up on
1 X is the counterbalance and they get tied to the upper set of lams
2 0 is the Jack and they get tied to the lower set of lams
To finish tie up I lift all the treadles up off the floor 7-1/2 inches I put the cords up from the underside of the treadles keeping the lams straight across the loom I use the jig that Glimakra made, to hold the lams for ease of tie up, it came with the loom.
Before Joanne Hall wrote her book. I sit on a stool and do my tie up on the top of the lam not under the treadles inside the loom. I am not all cramped up inside the loom frame on the floor, works for me. The worst thing Glimakra ever did was stop making the
tie up Jig.
Years ago, when I was a member of Rug Talk the topic came up about doing a countermarch tie up on a Glimakra loom. I sent a post about the same as this one, to the list. No weaver had the jig or instructions on how to use it. I bought first Glamakra standard
and the jig came with the loom a little over a year later I bought the second Glimakra standard and got the Jig with that loom as well. Weavers posted back they had no jig. It was not something that was bought extra. Not in any Swedish weaving book I have
is there a picture of the tie up jig being used. In tying up a countermarch action. Nor the one Swedish weaving magazine VAV. I have some copies of have I seen a picture of a tie up jig being used I am sure I am not the only weaver that has the jig. I have
always thought this to be odd.
What I do to tie up my Glimakra countermarch loom will not work in tying up my Cranbrook countermarch loom The upper lams are called floating lams and they are fitted to the bottom of the shafts there is not enough room for my hands to do the tie up on the
top of the lams, like I can a Glamakra loom.
This comes down to how each loom company designs their countermarch loom, each with little differences. The two looms weave wonderful. I have one of each.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Janell Neulinger <janell.neulinger@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:11 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful.
It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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Hi Sheri
The jig is 2 boards, with 2 holes in each board and 2 rods
1 board goes in front of the lams 1 board goes behind the lams and a rod goes through the board through all the lams and through the board behind the lams All of my lames have a hole in the end
You know how you put the rods through the cooper on the top of you loom to lock the action this is kind of how the jig works I am sure you do not have holes in
your lams ends. A weaver would rather die before making a hole in their loom. We
are going to make you a easy to make jig that will work fine no holes in you loom
You need 2 cuts of 2X4 that are about 3 incher higher then the top set of your lams to the floor
Now you need a level put 1 of the 2X4 behind a lam use the level to be sure the lam is straight across mark the top and the bottom of the lam on the 2X4 mark the same for second set of lams. Mark the other 2X4 the same way.
| Jig
| Gable------ Upper----------------------- Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
| The lam goes in the middle of the 2 rods
---------------Lower-------------------------Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
The size of the holes and rods, are the same size as the holes adn rods for your cooper, holes are centered in the 2X4 like this | : |
Make the rods about 4 inches longer then you need
My jig is not 100% stable it works like a pair of extra hands and dose the job. If you have question ask me. I don't think you will need a picture the diagram above should do the trick.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
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To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Joe,
I would love to see a picture of the jig. I’m picturing a wood “cradle” to hold lamms up?? I have an 8 shaft Ideal and would love to have my husband duplicate a jig.
Thanks
Sheri
On Feb 3, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone
There are 2 type of loom actions 1 Counterbalance 2 jack action
This is a counterbalance tie up twill without the tabby/bind from left to right
14-43-32-21 I will use the X for the counterbalance
This is the tie up for a Jack tie up twill without tabby/binder from left to right
23-12-14 -34 I will use the O for the jack tie up
This is a countermarch tie up for 2/2 twill without the tabby/binder
XX00
0XX0
00XX
X00X
We know that countermarch actions are the counterbalance and the jack tie ups working together The problem come in to play what set of lames to put the counterbalance or Jack tie up on
1 X is the counterbalance and they get tied to the upper set of lams
2 0 is the Jack and they get tied to the lower set of lams
To finish tie up I lift all the treadles up off the floor 7-1/2 inches I put the cords up from the underside of the treadles keeping the lams straight across the loom I use the jig that Glimakra made, to hold the lams for ease of tie up, it came with the loom.
Before Joanne Hall wrote her book. I sit on a stool and do my tie up on the top of the lam not under the treadles inside the loom. I am not all cramped up inside the loom frame on the floor, works for me. The worst thing Glimakra ever did was stop making the
tie up Jig.
Years ago, when I was a member of Rug Talk the topic came up about doing a countermarch tie up on a Glimakra loom. I sent a post about the same as this one, to the list. No weaver had the jig or instructions on how to use it. I bought first Glamakra standard
and the jig came with the loom a little over a year later I bought the second Glimakra standard and got the Jig with that loom as well. Weavers posted back they had no jig. It was not something that was bought extra. Not in any Swedish weaving book I have
is there a picture of the tie up jig being used. In tying up a countermarch action. Nor the one Swedish weaving magazine VAV. I have some copies of have I seen a picture of a tie up jig being used I am sure I am not the only weaver that has the jig. I have
always thought this to be odd.
What I do to tie up my Glimakra countermarch loom will not work in tying up my Cranbrook countermarch loom The upper lams are called floating lams and they are fitted to the bottom of the shafts there is not enough room for my hands to do the tie up on the
top of the lams, like I can a Glamakra loom.
This comes down to how each loom company designs their countermarch loom, each with little differences. The two looms weave wonderful. I have one of each.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Janell Neulinger <janell.neulinger@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:11 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful.
It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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Hi Joe, Thanks so much. This is great! At one point we tried using a 2 x 4 but didn’t have a plan for locking in place. Yoga blocks were involved and well, yeah that didn’t quite work. Appreciate your diagram
On Feb 4, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Sheri
The jig is 2 boards, with 2 holes in each board and 2 rods
1 board goes in front of the lams 1 board goes behind the lams and a rod goes through the board through all the lams and through the board behind the lams All of my lames have a hole in the end
You know how you put the rods through the cooper on the top of you loom to lock the action this is kind of how the jig works I am sure you do not have holes in
your lams ends. A weaver would rather die before making a hole in their loom. We
are going to make you a easy to make jig that will work fine no holes in you loom
You need 2 cuts of 2X4 that are about 3 incher higher then the top set of your lams to the floor
Now you need a level put 1 of the 2X4 behind a lam use the level to be sure the lam is straight across mark the top and the bottom of the lam on the 2X4 mark the same for second set of lams. Mark the other 2X4 the same way.
| Jig
| Gable------ Upper----------------------- Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
| The lam goes in the middle of the 2 rods
---------------Lower-------------------------Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
The size of the holes and rods, are the same size as the holes adn rods for your cooper, holes are centered in the 2X4 like this | : |
Make the rods about 4 inches longer then you need
My jig is not 100% stable it works like a pair of extra hands and dose the job. If you have question ask me. I don't think you will need a picture the diagram above should do the trick.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Sheri Gittinger via groups.io <beemerquilter@...>
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 6:18 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Joe,
I would love to see a picture of the jig. I’m picturing a wood “cradle” to hold lamms up?? I have an 8 shaft Ideal and would love to have my husband duplicate a jig.
Thanks
Sheri
On Feb 3, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone
There are 2 type of loom actions 1 Counterbalance 2 jack action
This is a counterbalance tie up twill without the tabby/bind from left to right
14-43-32-21 I will use the X for the counterbalance
This is the tie up for a Jack tie up twill without tabby/binder from left to right
23-12-14 -34 I will use the O for the jack tie up
This is a countermarch tie up for 2/2 twill without the tabby/binder
XX00
0XX0
00XX
X00X
We know that countermarch actions are the counterbalance and the jack tie ups working together The problem come in to play what set of lames to put the counterbalance or Jack tie up on
1 X is the counterbalance and they get tied to the upper set of lams
2 0 is the Jack and they get tied to the lower set of lams
To finish tie up I lift all the treadles up off the floor 7-1/2 inches I put the cords up from the underside of the treadles keeping the lams straight across the loom I use the jig that Glimakra made, to hold the lams for ease of tie up, it came with the loom.
Before Joanne Hall wrote her book. I sit on a stool and do my tie up on the top of the lam not under the treadles inside the loom. I am not all cramped up inside the loom frame on the floor, works for me. The worst thing Glimakra ever did was stop making the
tie up Jig.
Years ago, when I was a member of Rug Talk the topic came up about doing a countermarch tie up on a Glimakra loom. I sent a post about the same as this one, to the list. No weaver had the jig or instructions on how to use it. I bought first Glamakra standard
and the jig came with the loom a little over a year later I bought the second Glimakra standard and got the Jig with that loom as well. Weavers posted back they had no jig. It was not something that was bought extra. Not in any Swedish weaving book I have
is there a picture of the tie up jig being used. In tying up a countermarch action. Nor the one Swedish weaving magazine VAV. I have some copies of have I seen a picture of a tie up jig being used I am sure I am not the only weaver that has the jig. I have
always thought this to be odd.
What I do to tie up my Glimakra countermarch loom will not work in tying up my Cranbrook countermarch loom The upper lams are called floating lams and they are fitted to the bottom of the shafts there is not enough room for my hands to do the tie up on the
top of the lams, like I can a Glamakra loom.
This comes down to how each loom company designs their countermarch loom, each with little differences. The two looms weave wonderful. I have one of each.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Janell Neulinger <janell.neulinger@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:11 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful.
It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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Inga Marie Carmel
I’ve never heard of this jig. It didn’t come with mom’s loom 50 years ago, I haven’t seen them in Sweden not even at Sätergläntan. It’s not referenced in any book.
Thanks for the diagram. Did you buy your looms new? Did the jig come via Glimåkra?
What i do do and find really helpful is put a board under the treadles that holds them at about footrest height. I’ve been known to clamp a board to the side of the loom under the upper lamms as well. They stick out the side of my loom and the board keeps them level.
I do the permanent cord thing, one cord from treadle and through both lamms. Then I peg at the top. I still have to crawl inside the loom, I can’t see the back lamms from the front. 10 shafts and treadles on a 110. Vertical CM. i converted it from a 4 shaft CB. That may be why it’s a bit tight. Keeps me flexible. marie
Inga Marie Carmel An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve - Mies van der Rohe
On Feb 4, 2023, at 07:05, Sheri Gittinger via groups.io <beemerquilter@...> wrote:
Hi Joe, Thanks so much. This is great! At one point we tried using a 2 x 4 but didn’t have a plan for locking in place. Yoga blocks were involved and well, yeah that didn’t quite work. Appreciate your diagram
Sheri On Feb 4, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Sheri
The jig is 2 boards, with 2 holes in each board and 2 rods
1 board goes in front of the lams 1 board goes behind the lams and a rod goes through the board through all the lams and through the board behind the lams All of my lames have a hole in the end
You know how you put the rods through the cooper on the top of you loom to lock the action this is kind of how the jig works I am sure you do not have holes in
your lams ends. A weaver would rather die before making a hole in their loom. We
are going to make you a easy to make jig that will work fine no holes in you loom
You need 2 cuts of 2X4 that are about 3 incher higher then the top set of your lams to the floor
Now you need a level put 1 of the 2X4 behind a lam use the level to be sure the lam is straight across mark the top and the bottom of the lam on the 2X4 mark the same for second set of lams. Mark the other 2X4 the same way.
| Jig
| Gable------ Upper----------------------- Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
| The lam goes in the middle of the 2 rods
---------------Lower-------------------------Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
The size of the holes and rods, are the same size as the holes adn rods for your cooper, holes are centered in the 2X4 like this | : |
Make the rods about 4 inches longer then you need
My jig is not 100% stable it works like a pair of extra hands and dose the job. If you have question ask me. I don't think you will need a picture the diagram above should do the trick.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Sheri Gittinger via groups.io <beemerquilter@...>
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 6:18 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Joe,
I would love to see a picture of the jig. I’m picturing a wood “cradle” to hold lamms up?? I have an 8 shaft Ideal and would love to have my husband duplicate a jig.
Thanks
Sheri
On Feb 3, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone
There are 2 type of loom actions 1 Counterbalance 2 jack action
This is a counterbalance tie up twill without the tabby/bind from left to right
14-43-32-21 I will use the X for the counterbalance
This is the tie up for a Jack tie up twill without tabby/binder from left to right
23-12-14 -34 I will use the O for the jack tie up
This is a countermarch tie up for 2/2 twill without the tabby/binder
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0XX0
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X00X
We know that countermarch actions are the counterbalance and the jack tie ups working together The problem come in to play what set of lames to put the counterbalance or Jack tie up on
1 X is the counterbalance and they get tied to the upper set of lams
2 0 is the Jack and they get tied to the lower set of lams
To finish tie up I lift all the treadles up off the floor 7-1/2 inches I put the cords up from the underside of the treadles keeping the lams straight across the loom I use the jig that Glimakra made, to hold the lams for ease of tie up, it came with the loom.
Before Joanne Hall wrote her book. I sit on a stool and do my tie up on the top of the lam not under the treadles inside the loom. I am not all cramped up inside the loom frame on the floor, works for me. The worst thing Glimakra ever did was stop making the
tie up Jig.
Years ago, when I was a member of Rug Talk the topic came up about doing a countermarch tie up on a Glimakra loom. I sent a post about the same as this one, to the list. No weaver had the jig or instructions on how to use it. I bought first Glamakra standard
and the jig came with the loom a little over a year later I bought the second Glimakra standard and got the Jig with that loom as well. Weavers posted back they had no jig. It was not something that was bought extra. Not in any Swedish weaving book I have
is there a picture of the tie up jig being used. In tying up a countermarch action. Nor the one Swedish weaving magazine VAV. I have some copies of have I seen a picture of a tie up jig being used I am sure I am not the only weaver that has the jig. I have
always thought this to be odd.
What I do to tie up my Glimakra countermarch loom will not work in tying up my Cranbrook countermarch loom The upper lams are called floating lams and they are fitted to the bottom of the shafts there is not enough room for my hands to do the tie up on the
top of the lams, like I can a Glamakra loom.
This comes down to how each loom company designs their countermarch loom, each with little differences. The two looms weave wonderful. I have one of each.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Janell Neulinger <janell.neulinger@...>
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Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful.
It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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Hi Everyone, Sheri, Inga,
I found what I wanted; this piece of paper is just under 50 years old from Sweaden page 4 of the instructions that came with my brand-new Glamakra Standard Countermarch loom, at the time. The pages of the instruction's in different colors. Page 4 is this color
pink.
Sheri in the box under NOTE are all the measurements for the Glimakra IDEAL loom. Your husband needs to build you a perfect jig.
Inga, you live in Sweden and never seen a jig. I am going to put an end to that right now! Just open the attachment and zoom it bigger and you can see and read
everything.
little gift from me to Sheri and Inga, for any one with a problem with their Glimakra Countermarch tie ups, enjoy.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear In WI U.S.A.
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I’ve never heard of this jig. It didn’t come with mom’s loom 50 years ago, I haven’t seen them in Sweden not even at Sätergläntan. It’s not referenced in any book.
Thanks for the diagram. Did you buy your looms new? Did the jig come via Glimåkra?
What i do do and find really helpful is put a board under the treadles that holds them at about footrest height. I’ve been known to clamp a board to the side of the loom under the upper lamms as well. They stick out the side of my loom and the board keeps
them level.
I do the permanent cord thing, one cord from treadle and through both lamms. Then I peg at the top. I still have to crawl inside the loom, I can’t see the back lamms from the front. 10 shafts and treadles on a 110. Vertical CM. i converted it from a 4
shaft CB. That may be why it’s a bit tight. Keeps me flexible.
marie
Inga Marie Carmel
An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve - Mies van der Rohe
On Feb 4, 2023, at 07:05, Sheri Gittinger via groups.io <beemerquilter@...> wrote:
Hi Joe,
Thanks so much. This is great! At one point we tried using a 2 x 4 but didn’t have a plan for locking in place. Yoga blocks were involved and well, yeah that didn’t quite work.
Appreciate your diagram
Sheri
On Feb 4, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Sheri
The jig is 2 boards, with 2 holes in each board and 2 rods
1 board goes in front of the lams 1 board goes behind the lams and a rod goes through the board through all the lams and through the board behind the lams All of my lames have a hole in the end
You know how you put the rods through the cooper on the top of you loom to lock the action this is kind of how the jig works I am sure you do not have holes in your lams
ends. A weaver would rather die before making a hole in their loom. We
are going to make you a easy to make jig that will work fine no holes in you loom
You need 2 cuts of 2X4 that are about 3 incher higher then the top set of your lams to the floor
Now you need a level put 1 of the 2X4 behind a lam use the level to be sure the lam is straight across mark the top and the bottom of the lam on the 2X4 mark the same for second set of lams. Mark the other 2X4 the same way.
| Jig
| Gable------ Upper----------------------- Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
| The lam goes in the middle of the 2 rods
---------------Lower-------------------------Lam---------------------------------------| : |----
The size of the holes and rods, are the same size as the holes adn rods for your cooper, holes are centered in the 2X4 like this | : |
Make the rods about 4 inches longer then you need
My jig is not 100% stable it works like a pair of extra hands and dose the job. If you have question ask me. I don't think you will need a picture the diagram above should do the trick.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
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Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Joe,
I would love to see a picture of the jig. I’m picturing a wood “cradle” to hold lamms up?? I have an 8 shaft Ideal and would love to have my husband duplicate a jig.
Thanks
Sheri
On Feb 3, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone
There are 2 type of loom actions 1 Counterbalance 2 jack action
This is a counterbalance tie up twill without the tabby/bind from left to right
14-43-32-21 I will use the X for the counterbalance
This is the tie up for a Jack tie up twill without tabby/binder from left to right
23-12-14 -34 I will use the O for the jack tie up
This is a countermarch tie up for 2/2 twill without the tabby/binder
XX00
0XX0
00XX
X00X
We know that countermarch actions are the counterbalance and the jack tie ups working together The problem come in to play what set of lames to put the counterbalance or Jack tie up on
1 X is the counterbalance and they get tied to the upper set of lams
2 0 is the Jack and they get tied to the lower set of lams
To finish tie up I lift all the treadles up off the floor 7-1/2 inches I put the cords up from the underside of the treadles keeping the lams straight across the loom I use the jig that Glimakra made, to hold the lams for ease of tie up, it came with the loom.
Before Joanne Hall wrote her book. I sit on a stool and do my tie up on the top of the lam not under the treadles inside the loom. I am not all cramped up inside the loom frame on the floor, works for me. The worst thing Glimakra ever did was stop making the
tie up Jig.
Years ago, when I was a member of Rug Talk the topic came up about doing a countermarch tie up on a Glimakra loom. I sent a post about the same as this one, to the list. No weaver had the jig or instructions on how to use it. I bought first Glamakra standard
and the jig came with the loom a little over a year later I bought the second Glimakra standard and got the Jig with that loom as well. Weavers posted back they had no jig. It was not something that was bought extra. Not in any Swedish weaving book I have
is there a picture of the tie up jig being used. In tying up a countermarch action. Nor the one Swedish weaving magazine VAV. I have some copies of have I seen a picture of a tie up jig being used I am sure I am not the only weaver that has the jig. I have
always thought this to be odd.
What I do to tie up my Glimakra countermarch loom will not work in tying up my Cranbrook countermarch loom The upper lams are called floating lams and they are fitted to the bottom of the shafts there is not enough room for my hands to do the tie up on the
top of the lams, like I can a Glamakra loom.
This comes down to how each loom company designs their countermarch loom, each with little differences. The two looms weave wonderful. I have one of each.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Janell Neulinger <janell.neulinger@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:11 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Madelyn van der Hoogt wrote a countermarch tie-up article (originally in Prairie Wool Companion) that I found really helpful.
It’s on Madelyn’s website here. (As a pdf)
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Wiki says that Sweden adopted the metric system in the 1880s, yet the diagram's measurements are not metric.
Very considerate of Glimåkra to include those special pink pages with looms shipped to non-metric countries!
Or perhaps they were added later?
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Hi Everyone and Jayne F
The instructions that came with my Glimakra Standard Countermarch loom where not all pink. Page 1 white page 2 power blue page 3 soft yellow page 4 pink. It is nice that Sweden adopted the metric system in 1880's Yes, it is true all of the measurements are
in inches and feet, pi the page I posted. You missed something, All of the words are in English as well, not Swedish.
Glimakra not only shipped looms to non-metric countries, also to Countries that fist language is not Swedish. America first language is english. I am sure Glimakra makes all of the instruction for the looms they sell in the measurements of the country as well
as the first language of the country they sell looms in. It is not considerate but smart business practice so the weavers that buy a loom can put the loom together with ease.
Keep Weaving
Joe In WI U.S.A.
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Subject: Re: [weavetech] Countermarch Looms
Wiki says that Sweden adopted the metric system in the 1880s, yet the diagram's measurements are not metric.
Very considerate of Glimåkra to include those special pink pages with looms shipped to non-metric countries!
Or perhaps they were added later?
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Hello everyone and
Joe B.
Thanks for the pink page. It is pretty good to wake up early, adjust the heat and follow along with countermarche set up, and understand it way too early.
Stay safe out there.
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Hi Joe P
At the risk of being obtuse, I’m afraid I don’t understand this jig. My Glimakra Standard (120cm) is approximately three years old and did not come with a jig of any kind. I think my tie ups are fine but maybe I’m laboring on in ignorance. Would you be kind enough to post photos? Thank you, Pam
Hi Everyone and Jayne F
The instructions that came with my Glimakra Standard Countermarch loom where not all pink. Page 1 white page 2 power blue page 3 soft yellow page 4 pink. It is nice that Sweden adopted the metric system in 1880's Yes, it is true all of the measurements are in inches and feet, pi the page I posted. You missed something, All of the words are in English as well, not Swedish.
Glimakra not only shipped looms to non-metric countries, also to Countries that fist language is not Swedish. America first language is english. I am sure Glimakra makes all of the instruction for the looms they sell in the measurements of the country as well as the first language of the country they sell looms in. It is not considerate but smart business practice so the weavers that buy a loom can put the loom together with ease.
Keep Weaving Joe In WI U.S.A.
Wiki says that Sweden adopted the metric system in the 1880s, yet the diagram's measurements are not metric.
Very considerate of Glimåkra to include those special pink pages with looms shipped to non-metric countries!
Or perhaps they were added later?
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