Cob Shuttle
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bigwhitesofadog
This sounds like a large end feed shuttle. The big ones were industrial, and have steel ends because they were used with a flying shuttle on a commercial power loom. Sandra |
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Joe P
Hi Everyone & Sandra
Yes, the cob shuttle is a end feed shuttle. It is the type of end feed shuttle with the big brass tension. At times, you will see the shuttle made in to candle holders, and I have seen then made in to a flower holder. to hang on the wall, I maybe have 4 of
those end feed shuttles over the years I have used them as hand shuttles. For ease of weaving a project faster than using a stick shuttle. This shuttle is bigger than a AVL end fed shuttle, not all that much.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...>
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 10:13 AM To: weavetech@groups io <weavetech@groups.io> Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle This sounds like a large end feed shuttle. The big ones were industrial, and have steel ends because they were used with a flying shuttle on a commercial power loom.
Sandra
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DR D W Taylor
Hi All
I have a large industrial shuttle that has loops of what looks like fishing reel line in the walls. I use a pirn in it - usually with very fine hand spun or commercial silk yarn. I did not blunt the tips as it was my understanding that the sharp tips help to prevent broken warps. I bought several industrial end feed shuttles at the Lowell mill museum store over 25 years ago (when I was just starting out in weaving) for a very low price and have been using them ever since. I had read about them in Allen Fannin’s book and decided to try them. I prefer them to boat shuttles and only use stick shuttles for tablet or inkle weaving. |
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Joe P
Hi Everyone & DR. D.W. Taylor DVM.
I have a question about your large industrial shuttle. with the fishing line on the two walls. That you use to weave silk with, if it is ok.
Can you lock your pirn in the shuttle?
If your answer is yes, then you don't have a cob shuttle, the fishing line on the two walls is to stop slippery thread from feeding off the pirn to fast. A cob shuttle has no way of holding a pirn inside of it. The complete cavity is to hold the yarn cob.
Now, if your large industrial shuttle has plain walls, it would be used for cottons or fine wool to the thickness of a Donegal tweed sport, jacket fabric.
Then, comes the large industrial cob shuttle.
The cobs look just like a corn cob like the pictures in the book you have by Allen Fannin.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of DR D W Taylor via groups.io <dtdvm@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 12:41 PM To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle Hi All
I have a large industrial shuttle that has loops of what looks like fishing reel line in the walls. I use a pirn in it - usually with very fine hand spun or commercial silk yarn. I did not blunt the tips as it was my understanding that the sharp tips help
to prevent broken warps. I bought several industrial end feed shuttles at the Lowell mill museum store over 25 years ago (when I was just starting out in weaving) for a very low price and have been using them ever since. I had read about them in Allen Fannin’s
book and decided to try them. I prefer them to boat shuttles and only use stick shuttles for tablet or inkle weaving.
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bigwhitesofadog
I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very pretty as well. Sandra |
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Pat
Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles, and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles? Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:
I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very pretty as well. Sandra |
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Janet Stollnitz
Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.
Janet
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Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM To: weavetech@groups.io Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle
Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles, and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?
Pat Brown On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:
I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very pretty as well. Sandra
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Pat
Yes, but I'm having issues with them holding tension. I almost think they wear out. Pat
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 01:16:59 PM EST, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:
Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.
Janet
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Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM To: weavetech@groups.io Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle
Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles, and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?
Pat Brown On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:
I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very pretty as well. Sandra
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Charlene Marietti
My friend was having trouble and, after contacting Schacht, realized that the internal spring was missing. She got a new spring from Schacht and the shuttle is working well again.
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I personally like the Schacht end feed shuttles with Honex and was trying to find a light-weight hand shuttle. I did a comparison in 2017 that I included in my blog. 
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I still buy Bluster Bay shuttles, I love them. You can purchase from Blue flag Weaving.
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Lorraine On Mar 8, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:
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Margaret Welch
I’ve been very happy with my leclerc end feed shuttle. They also make a fly shuttle one. Meg Welch On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:
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Pat
So I went directly to Blue Flag Weaving's website. On March 5, 2023 she posted that they are sold out. Today is March 8, 2023. Go figure. Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 02:50:44 PM EST, Margaret Welch via groups.io <megwelch@...> wrote:
I’ve been very happy with my leclerc end feed shuttle. They also make a fly shuttle one. Meg Welch On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:
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They sell out within a day, they are so popular and sought after.
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On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:
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Kati Meek
The Schacht EFS was designed especially because the AVL EFS were too heavy and bulky for small people and small hands. I use six of the 8-inch Schachts because tartan weaving needs all shuttles to handle the same, Schacht’s are light-weight, (the 8-inch holds a lot more yarn than the 6-inch and weighs barely more, the only difference is 2 inches more of wood sides and plastic pirn). The tension easily adjusts to behave well with the finest 60/1 linen or fat 8/2 wool. I use the AVL’s for rug weaving where the greater mass is needed and the pics per inch far fewer. Confession: I was honored to have had some input into the Schacht’s design.)
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bigwhitesofadog
I wish I could find the spring mechanism that holds the pirn, so I could make some. I have looked, and not found anything similar Sandra |
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Confession: I was honored to have had some input into the Schacht’s design.No, thank you for making it a really good shuttle. Schachts EFSs are my "go to" when weaving because they're both lighter and better-balanced than any other EFS I've tried (and I've tried nearly all of them). Dawn Jacobson Cal-Oro Fibrewerks |
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Joe P
Hi Everyone & Sandra
Weaving shuttles have limits, Not one shuttle will handle all the ifferent linds of treads and yarns a weaver works with. Becuse of this weavers, find what works best for thenselves.
I have been using hand feed shuttls for years. AVL in the start use a spring and plate tension. Then to repace that, Crossle Made a hand shuttle with a different style of tnsion that could be adjusted with a allen wrench, Then AVL changed the tension to Honex
tensions. I do not have any Bluster Bay end feed shuttles. I am leavein tham out of the mix
I have metal tiped fly shuttles by AVL and Crossle for fly shuttle attachments
Yes, I will agree with you, to a point, The selvage, is better. Depending on how the weaver sets the tension. The beauty of a end feed shuttle being made out of hard wood, the shuttle has more weight to it, so the weaver does not have to use as much force to
flip the shuttle from side to side in weave wide width cloth. The speed of weavign depends solely and the dexterity of the weavers hands. The end feed shuttles have limits to the size of the threads that can be tensioned.
In this case, is where I have had to use a indrustrial metal tiped fly shuttle to accommodate thereal tick weft I wanted to weave. No, pirn the shuttle holds a
lot of thick weaft, a tension to accommodate the thick size of the weft. Much more speed in weaving over a stick shuttle or ski shuttle. The size of a industrial cob shuttle is not all that much more in weight then a good hard wood hand end feed shuttle.
Their is a rage of size of string and yarns that are to big for a hand end feed shuttle and to small for a cob shuttle, tensions, how is this addressed. This is
where I use a Schacht boat shuttle the one that has 7 inch bobbin, it holds a lot weft. Now you are thinking there is no tension on the bobbin, that is true. Make one wind a little tape around the shaft in the shuttle to slow down the excess spind of the bobbin
adds a little tension to the flow of weft coming off the bobbin. A boat shuttle will give as good a selvages as a hand end feed shuttle.
Weavers use shuttels that use two bobbins and depending on how much weaft is on each bobbins the weft will feed off of the two bobbins at a different rate, a little
tape takes care of that as well.
I will never say I won't do this or that. I might have to depending on what my mind creats, and what I need to do to to creat my goal/project.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 9:04 AM To: weavetech@groups io <weavetech@groups.io> Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very pretty as well. Sandra |
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Joe P
Hi Everyone & Pat
It could be you are not seating the thread deep enough in to the tension on your end feed shuttle, put your thumb on the thread coming off of the pirn then put
your weft through the tension, with a bit of a tug to be sure the weft is seated in the tension.
If this does not fix
Lint builds up in the tensions on any hand end feed shuttle or fly shuttle. Some times the tension has to be taken out of the shuttle, to clean out the built up lint. If the tenson does not come out of your end feed shuttle use a thick piece of thick yarn work,
it back and forth like dental floss in the tension and that should do the trick as well.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 12:56 PM To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle Yes, but I'm having issues with them holding tension. I almost think they wear out.
Pat
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 01:16:59 PM EST, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:
Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.
Janet
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
On Behalf Of Pat via groups.io
Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles, and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?
Pat Brown On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:
I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very pretty as well. Sandra
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