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Cob Shuttle

bigwhitesofadog
 

This sounds like a large end feed shuttle.  The big ones were industrial, and have steel ends because they were used with a flying shuttle on a commercial power loom.
Sandra

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & Sandra 

Yes, the cob shuttle is a end feed shuttle.  It is the type of end feed shuttle with the big brass tension. At times, you will see the shuttle made in to candle holders, and I have seen then made in to a flower holder. to hang on the wall, I maybe have 4 of those end feed shuttles over the years I have used them as hand shuttles. For ease of weaving a project faster than using a stick shuttle. This shuttle is bigger than a AVL end fed shuttle, not all that much. 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A. 

 

     





  

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This sounds like a large end feed shuttle.  The big ones were industrial, and have steel ends because they were used with a flying shuttle on a commercial power loom.
Sandra

DR D W Taylor
 

Hi All
I have a large industrial shuttle that has loops of what looks like fishing reel line in the walls. I use a pirn in it - usually with very fine hand spun or commercial silk yarn. I did not blunt the tips as it was my understanding that the sharp tips help  to prevent broken warps. I bought several industrial end feed shuttles at the Lowell mill museum store over 25 years ago (when I was just starting out in weaving) for a very low price and have been using them ever since. I had read about them in Allen Fannin’s book and decided to try them. I prefer them to boat shuttles and only use stick shuttles for tablet or inkle weaving. 

I’ve never seen a cob except in Fannin’s book and certainly not the machine to make them. Joe, I wonder if you could share a picture if you haven’t already done so. Thanks. Peace. D. Taylor, DVM



Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & DR. D.W. Taylor DVM.

I have a question about your large industrial shuttle. with the fishing line on the two walls. That you use to weave silk with, if it is ok. 

Can you lock your pirn in the shuttle? 

If your answer is yes, then you don't have a cob shuttle, the fishing line on the two walls is to stop slippery thread from feeding off the pirn to fast. A cob shuttle has no way of holding a pirn inside of it. The complete cavity is to hold the yarn cob. 

Now, if your large industrial shuttle has plain walls, it would be used for cottons or fine wool to the thickness of a Donegal tweed sport, jacket fabric. 

Then, comes the large industrial cob shuttle.

The cobs look just like a corn cob like the pictures in the book you have by Allen Fannin.   

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.  

          

  

   


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of DR D W Taylor via groups.io <dtdvm@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 12:41 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle
 
Hi All
I have a large industrial shuttle that has loops of what looks like fishing reel line in the walls. I use a pirn in it - usually with very fine hand spun or commercial silk yarn. I did not blunt the tips as it was my understanding that the sharp tips help  to prevent broken warps. I bought several industrial end feed shuttles at the Lowell mill museum store over 25 years ago (when I was just starting out in weaving) for a very low price and have been using them ever since. I had read about them in Allen Fannin’s book and decided to try them. I prefer them to boat shuttles and only use stick shuttles for tablet or inkle weaving. 

I’ve never seen a cob except in Fannin’s book and certainly not the machine to make them. Joe, I wonder if you could share a picture if you haven’t already done so. Thanks. Peace. D. Taylor, DVM



bigwhitesofadog
 

I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands. My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra

Pat
 

Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra





Janet Stollnitz
 

Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.

 

Janet

 

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle

 

Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

 

Pat Brown

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:

 

 

I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend

to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a

big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers

make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot

easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very

pretty as well.

Sandra

 

 

 

 

 

Pat
 

Yes, but I'm having issues with them holding tension.  I almost think they wear out.

Pat

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 01:16:59 PM EST, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:


Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.

 

Janet

 

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle

 

Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

 

Pat Brown

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:

 

 

I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend

to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a

big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers

make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot

easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very

pretty as well.

Sandra

 

 

 

 

 

Charlene Marietti
 

My friend was having trouble and, after contacting Schacht, realized that the internal spring was missing. She got a new spring from Schacht and the shuttle is working well again.
I personally like the Schacht end feed shuttles with Honex and was trying to find a light-weight hand shuttle. I did a comparison in 2017 that I included in my blog. 



On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:

Yes, but I'm having issues with them holding tension.  I almost think they wear out.

Pat

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 01:16:59 PM EST, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:


Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles. 

 

Janet 

 

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle

 

Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

 

Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:

 

 

I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra

 

 

 

 

 


Lorraine Whale
 

I still buy Bluster Bay shuttles, I love them. You can purchase from Blue flag Weaving. 

Lorraine 


On Mar 8, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:



Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.

 

Janet

 

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle

 

Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

 

Pat Brown

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:

 

 

I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend

to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a

big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers

make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot

easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very

pretty as well.

Sandra

 

 

 

 

 

Margaret Welch
 

I’ve been very happy with my leclerc end feed shuttle.  They also make a fly shuttle one.  Meg Welch

On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:


Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra





Pat
 

So I went directly to Blue Flag Weaving's website.   On March 5, 2023 she posted that they are sold out.  Today is March 8, 2023.  Go figure.


Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 02:50:44 PM EST, Margaret Welch via groups.io <megwelch@...> wrote:


I’ve been very happy with my leclerc end feed shuttle.  They also make a fly shuttle one.  Meg Welch

On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:


Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra





Lorraine Whale
 

They sell out within a day, they are so popular and sought after. 


On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:


So I went directly to Blue Flag Weaving's website.   On March 5, 2023 she posted that they are sold out.  Today is March 8, 2023.  Go figure.


Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 02:50:44 PM EST, Margaret Welch via groups.io <megwelch@...> wrote:


I’ve been very happy with my leclerc end feed shuttle.  They also make a fly shuttle one.  Meg Welch

On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:


Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

Pat Brown
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra





Kati Meek
 

The Schacht EFS was designed especially because the AVL EFS were too heavy and bulky for small people and small hands.  I use six of the   8-inch Schachts because tartan weaving needs all shuttles to handle the same, Schacht’s are light-weight, (the 8-inch holds a lot more yarn than the 6-inch and weighs barely more, the only difference is 2 inches more of wood sides and plastic pirn). The tension easily adjusts to behave well with the finest 60/1 linen or fat  8/2 wool.  I use the AVL’s for rug weaving where the greater mass is needed and the pics per inch far fewer.  Confession: I was honored to have had some input into the Schacht’s design.)

 

Treadle with Joy, Kati Meek

Creekside Studio

Marshall, Michigan

Greyfur.kt@...

 

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bigwhitesofadog
 

I wish I could find the spring mechanism that holds the pirn, so I could make some.  I have looked, and not found anything similar 
Sandra

Dawn Jacobson
 

Confession: I was honored to have had some input into the Schacht’s design.
No, thank you for making it a really good shuttle. Schachts EFSs are my "go to" when weaving because they're both lighter and better-balanced than any other EFS I've tried (and I've tried nearly all of them).

Dawn Jacobson
Cal-Oro Fibrewerks

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & Sandra

Weaving shuttles have limits, Not one shuttle will handle all the ifferent linds of treads and yarns a weaver works with. Becuse of this weavers, find what works best for thenselves. 

I have been using hand feed shuttls for years. AVL in the start use a spring and plate tension. Then to repace that, Crossle Made a hand shuttle with a different style of tnsion that could be adjusted with a allen wrench, Then AVL changed the tension to Honex tensions. I do not have any Bluster Bay end feed shuttles. I am leavein tham out of the mix 

I have metal tiped fly shuttles by AVL and Crossle for fly shuttle attachments 

Yes, I will agree with you, to a point, The selvage, is better. Depending on how the weaver sets the tension. The beauty of a end feed shuttle being made out of hard wood, the shuttle has more weight to it, so the weaver does not have to use as much force to flip the shuttle from side to side in weave wide width cloth. The speed of weavign depends solely and the dexterity of the weavers hands. The end feed shuttles have limits to the size of the threads that can be tensioned. 

In this case, is where I have had to use a indrustrial metal tiped fly shuttle to accommodate thereal tick weft I wanted to weave. No, pirn the shuttle holds a lot of thick weaft, a tension to accommodate the thick size of the weft. Much more speed in weaving over a stick shuttle or ski shuttle. The size of a industrial cob shuttle is not all that much more in weight then a good hard wood  hand end feed shuttle. 

Their is a rage of size of string and yarns that are to big for a hand end feed shuttle and to small for a cob shuttle, tensions, how is this addressed. This is where I use a Schacht boat shuttle the one that has 7 inch bobbin, it holds a lot weft. Now you are thinking there is no tension on the bobbin, that is true. Make one wind a little tape around the shaft in the shuttle to slow down the excess spind of the bobbin adds a little tension to the flow of weft coming off the bobbin. A boat shuttle will give as good a selvages as a hand end feed shuttle. 

Weavers use shuttels that use two bobbins and depending on how much weaft is on each bobbins the weft will feed off of the two bobbins at a different rate, a little tape takes care of that as well. 

I will never say I won't do this or that. I might have to depending on what my mind creats, and what I need to do to to creat my goal/project. 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.  

    

 





 


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 9:04 AM
To: weavetech@groups io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle
 
I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend
to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a
big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers
make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot
easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very
pretty as well.
Sandra





Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & Pat 

It could be you are not seating the thread deep enough in to the tension on your end feed shuttle, put your thumb on the thread coming off of the pirn then put your weft through the tension, with a bit of a tug to be sure the weft is seated in the tension. 

If this does not fix 

Lint builds up in the tensions on any hand end feed shuttle or fly shuttle. Some times the tension has to be taken out of the shuttle, to clean out the built up lint. If the tenson does not come out of your end feed shuttle use a thick piece of thick yarn work, it back and forth like dental floss in the tension and that should do the trick as well.  

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.     

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 12:56 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle
 
Yes, but I'm having issues with them holding tension.  I almost think they wear out.

Pat

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 01:16:59 PM EST, Janet Stollnitz <janet@...> wrote:


Schacht makes end delivery (end feed) shuttles.

 

Janet

 

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 1:09 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cob Shuttle

 

Well, since this conversation has morphed into discussion of end feed shuttles,  and as I understand it Bluster Bay is no longer making stuff, does anyone have a suggestion (besides AVL) of who makes honex mechanism feed feed shuttles?

 

Pat Brown

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 10:05:07 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:

 

 

I agree that end feed shuttles are faster and easier to use, and tend

to give better selvedges than boat shuttles, but I would never use a

big, steel tipped mill shuttle as a hand shuttle.Several manufacturers

make hand end feed shuttles that are far easier to use, and a lot

easier on the hands.  My favorites are Bluster Bay, which are very

pretty as well.

Sandra

 

 

 

 

 

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