Not Possible


Joe P
 

Hi Linda 

I do not never Will not ever answer a off list post to me 

I enjoyed reading the off-list post you sent to me today and I am open minded. I hae cut adn I am going to past is below under that will be my reply.
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Hi Joe,

I'm not sure who your post was directed at, or what you were trying to say. But I just wanted to tell you that a "supplemental weft" and a "tabby" are two very different things in weaving terminology. "Tabby" and "binder" can often refer to the same thing. This isn't perfect, but it can give you a good start for weaving terminology.
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I thought maybe Linda you got the words warp and weft turned around by accident 

After I read your post, I went looking I typed you tube supplemental warp and I went looking. It was easy the first video told me everything, like they say a picture is worth 1000 words. I watched the very carful 

The weaver has a 4-shaft loom and had 1-2 threaded in plain weave and shaft 3-4 threaded in, old school term of rug weavers brick work It is also plain weave it is a color variation of the threading of plan weave and sett a little closer for the effect the weaver wanted to achieve. The weaver explained in the video how the brick work section/stripe of the warp is supplemental weft.

Not possible the only thing that comes off a warp beam is warp. No warp and weft together. 

When the weaver made her warp, she designed the strip in to the warp There is no supplemental anything. 

I have no time for falsehoods in weaving 

keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A. 

     





 

    




  



 

 

 


Denise
 

I just wanted to note that, regardless of where we stand on certain terms, the assumption (or is it arrogance?) of this discussion is that we all speak English. A few other terms from other languages have crept in, out of respect for the origin of certain techniques, but for the most part, this is all about weaving terminology in English. 

Thinking broadly, we ought to consider the hundreds of other cultures that weave with equal expertise and use none of our terms. Consider, too, that weaving has been central to human culture for tens of thousands of years, long before modern English developed. We know that, throughout the history of our craft, highly sophisticated techniques made their way from tribe to tribe, civilization to civilization, with both the words and the techniques morphing as they traveled. 

Nowadays, of course, global communications require a common language so that everybody understands each another. For instance, English is the dominant language for scientists today but, prior to that, it was German. Should English be the lingua franca for weavers of all cultures? Or are we working to define our terms for just those who speak English?

Only some thoughts and questions, not really arriving at any conclusion.... My one conviction is that language in general is fluid and organic and ever-growing, never frozen in amber, and that's the beauty of it! Samuel Johnson, brilliant as he was, was nevertheless shooting at a moving target ;o)

Denise Kovnat
www.denisekovnat.com


Linda Schultz
 

On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Joe P wrote:
I do not never Will not ever answer a off list post to me
Hi Joe,

I apologize for sending an off-list post. My only intention was to be kind. I don't like to spam the public list with posts that could be private, like this apology. But I don't want to offend you, so I am sending it publicly. I will never take a discussion private to attack you.

For everyone else, I sent Joe a link I thought would be helpful (even though it isn't perfect - I haven't found anything I think is perfect and accessible). It was not read, though, which leads me to my next comment back in the main thread on this topic.

https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/other/hvm_dict.pdf 


Sharon Gardiner
 

Well said Denise Kovnat.

Sharon Gardiner


Joe P
 

Hi Linda 

Will you accept my apology The last line of my post to you was curt.

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A

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Subject: Re: [weavetech] Not Possible
 
On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Joe P wrote:
I do not never Will not ever answer a off list post to me
Hi Joe,

I apologize for sending an off-list post. My only intention was to be kind. I don't like to spam the public list with posts that could be private, like this apology. But I don't want to offend you, so I am sending it publicly. I will never take a discussion private to attack you.

For everyone else, I sent Joe a link I thought would be helpful (even though it isn't perfect - I haven't found anything I think is perfect and accessible). It was not read, though, which leads me to my next comment back in the main thread on this topic.

https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/other/hvm_dict.pdf 


Linda Schultz
 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 04:16 PM, Joe P wrote:
Will you accept my apology The last line of my post to you was curt.
No problem, Joe.