block substitution of more than 2 weaves
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Jane Eisenstein
I'm working on a dobby draft that requires block substitution of three different weaves. I know this can be done in Photoshop. Are there any other apps for the Macintosh that can do this -- say based on a 3 color image?
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Lorelei Caracausa
I know (hope) there are much easier ways, but I create separate areas in the threading or treadling, then just use cut and paste in both PCW or WeavePoint On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 1:56 PM Jane Eisenstein <jane233@...> wrote: I'm working on a dobby draft that requires block substitution of three different weaves. I know this can be done in Photoshop. Are there any other apps for the Macintosh that can do this -- say based on a 3 color image? --
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P George
For classes at FIT, we use Dobby Pro, a Nedgraphics program. That can do blocks with any number of weaves in different blocks, but that is a professional (read very expensive) Windows system program For now, if I can’t access Nedgraphics, I use Photoshop to develop the weave structures, to save them as BMP files. . I’d also love to see this feature in an affordable Mac program!
Patrice
From: <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Jane Eisenstein <jane233@...>
I'm working on a dobby draft that requires block substitution of three different weaves. I know this can be done in Photoshop. Are there any other apps for the Macintosh that can do this -- say based on a 3 color image? |
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Linda Schultz
A similar question came up on Facebook and somebody mentioned Corel Draw for Mac.
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Pat
I know it is possible to do in Weavepoint but I would have to get out the handout from a Jannie Taylor class I took in Reno. I would be willing to share those notes if Jannie doesn't object. Try reaching out to her specifically if you have Weavepoint. Pat Brown
On Thursday, March 3, 2022, 03:38:08 PM EST, P George <patriceny@...> wrote:
For classes at FIT, we use Dobby Pro, a Nedgraphics program. That can do blocks with any number of weaves in different blocks, but that is a professional (read very expensive) Windows system program For now, if I can’t access Nedgraphics, I use Photoshop to develop the weave structures, to save them as BMP files. . I’d also love to see this feature in an affordable Mac program!
Patrice
From: <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Jane Eisenstein <jane233@...>
I'm working on a dobby draft that requires block substitution of three different weaves. I know this can be done in Photoshop. Are there any other apps for the Macintosh that can do this -- say based on a 3 color image? |
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Jane Eisenstein
Thanks everyone. I don’t have Windows. After analyzing my weaves, it seems the best route for me to take is to use Fiberworks Block Substitution and then edit the result to add in the third weave.
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I replied to the FB group, but thought I’d add it here.
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For liftplan design purposes Photoshop Elements (PSE) has all the features needed for weave design that Photoshop (PS) has. It’s is not a subscription, it’s a stand-alone program, and is much less expensive. I’m currently editing my books to feature PS Elements rather than the original PS. coeweaves.com e-weave-online.thinkific.com On Mar 3, 2022, at 7:04 PM, Jane Eisenstein <jane233@...> wrote:
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Vicki
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:23 PM margcoe <coe@...> wrote:
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Linda Schultz
If you are using block substitution, it may be possible to use the “edit blank” or “edit template” feature to create your own set of blocks for the substitution. I use this feature a lot, but it very much depends upon the compatibility of the different weave structures you plan to use.
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Jane Eisenstein
Just to clarify, I was looking for a weaving application that can handle block substitution of more than two weaves. It sounds like there are some, but not for the Macintosh and not inexpensive.
I actually did this block substitution in ArahWeave, but was not happy with the dobby threading it generated. I'm certain it can be done on fewer shafts using either Photoshop or Fiberworks. It will just take some learning and work on my part. |
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Linda
It sounds like the issue is not the weaving software, but with finding a threading which is common to all three weave structures, that isn’t just a straight draw (which is the option which uses the most shafts). Once you have a block threading in common for all three weave structures, you should be able to make your own block substitution in Fiberworks. Or use the cut and paste method that Lorelei mentioned earlier (probably “transparent paste”).
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“Looking for fewer shafts" also sounds like the “fabric analysis” feature in the Windows version of Fiberworks. I don’t know how well that works, as I use the Mac version. In that case, you have to have the structure already drafted, but you might be able to use your draft from ArahWeave and see if it comes up with something using fewer shafts.
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Sara von Tresckow
Weavepoint has a feature to analyze the draft for more efficient weaving. Do
you have any way to wif that ArahWeave file and put it into Weavepoint? Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI sarav@... Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough” http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning needs |
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Analyzing my design’s weaves (there were actually five), I realized two were standard to Fiberworks’ lampas block substitution and three were custom variations that employ an additional binder warp.
I was able to use Fiberworks’ block substitution to create a draft for the standard weaves. I used Arahweave to generate a draft for just the portion with the custom weaves and exported it as a WIF file. The WIF draft threading used an optimal number of shafts. In Fiberworks, I used the shaft shuffler feature to reorder that threading and then combined the two drafts to make the final draft. No graphics app was used except to create a block profile mage for Arahweave. A graphics app such as Photoshop could have been used in place of Arahweave. I just have more experience creating drafts in Arahweave than in Photoshop. |
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P George
I hope you’ll share pics of the resulting piece when you’ve finished it Jane! Bests, PG
From: <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Jane Eisenstein <jane233@...>
Analyzing my design’s weaves (there were actually five), I realized two were standard to Fiberworks’ lampas block substitution and three were custom variations that employ an additional binder warp. I was able to use Fiberworks’ block substitution to create a draft for the standard weaves. I used Arahweave to generate a draft for just the portion with the custom weaves and exported it as a WIF file. In Fiberworks, I used the shaft shuffler feature to reorder that threading and then combined the two drafts to make the final draft. No graphics app was used except to create a block profile mage for Arahweave. A graphics app such as Photoshop could have been used in place of Arahweave. I just have more experience creating drafts in Arahweave than in Photoshop. |
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Jane Eisenstein
Thanks Patrice. At this point, I'm just hoping there will be a resulting piece.
Now that the weave draft exists though, the rest should be easy. Right? ;-) |
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Jane Eisenstein
Thanks Sara. Arahweave does generate WIF files. I don't have Weavepoint, but used it when I took a class at RISD back in the 20th century. It is a grand weaving app.
I could have imported an Arahweave WIF file into Fiberworks on my Mac. I chose a different route though due to my uneasiness with Arahweave's threading choices. |
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Pam Carr
Would love to see the steps of your process.
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