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Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & Dr. D. W. Taylor DVM 

If you look at the3 pictures starting on the right to the left that is the monitor attached to the chicken cooking rack.  What you do not see in this picture is an over the door 2-hook wide coat rack that fits over cross member of loom Hook not fit in picture

The middle picture is of the camera on the box pointed at the treadles at this time I have no tape with numbers on the treadles, I took the tape off of the treadles because the loom is empty. I have to re warp the loom and put the tape on the treadles with treadles numbers for new warp.
     I wanted to mount the camera to the underside of the built-in bench on my AVL loom. The             problem the camera was blocked by the backs of my legs, could not see the numbers on the         treadles that is way camera was mounted to the box to get the angle needed to see my 
     ankles and feet and the numbers on the treadle shed order.       

Now the picture on the far-left side. This is the monitor It is turned on and you can see my ankles and feet, feet on treadles if you look closely. The 3 pictures I posted are what is called true color. In looking at the monitor in the picture it looks really blue, This is not how it looks The monitor has true color. I do not have a black and white camera it is a color camera I was not sure if I turned on the monitor If anything in the monitor would show in the picture I took, I am happy with what you can see. I do not keep he monitor in the center of the loom, just for this picture I keep monitor on the left side of the loom.  

The camera comes with the cable the cable gets hooked up to the monitor the monitor gets plugged in to the wall turn on the monitor. That is, it.  

Now Dr. D. W. if you or any member would like to make as you have written my ingenious idea, feel free to do so. I have been a weaver for a lot of years 43 I have never seen what I have made or I would have bought one. This ingenious idea is just for my weaving friends to make for own use, enjoy.

Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.

     

        

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of DR D W Taylor via groups.io <dtdvm@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 11:39 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 12 shaft information
 
Hi joe
How about a picture of your set-up?  I’d love to see you ingenious idea. I’ve seen bicycle mirrors used for monitoring the shed for mistakes but haven’t heard of this one. Thanks for sharing. Peace. D. Taylor, DVM
Faye Kurnick
 

Thanks, Sally.  I used the treadle reducer once years ago for a pattern with a supplementary weft and it worked well.  Thanks for reminding me of that resource.  I really dislike moving heddles, so your thoughts on how to utilize the extra shafts are very welcome!  Faye


On Jan 14, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Sally O <s.orgren@...> wrote:



Faye,

- If this is a floor loom, you might find your pattern selection limited by the number of treadles you have. Tim's Treadle reducer is a great tool for modifying the tie up to the treadles on the loom. I find that about half the time, 14 treadles are not enough without some type of modification.

- A benefit of having more shafts (aside from looking at more shaft-hungry patterns) means you don't have to move heddles as often for some structures.

For instance, when weaving Bronson, every other thread falls on a single shaft. Instead of moving half of the required heddles to a single shaft, you can thread alternating warps on shafts 1 and 2. Treadle the pattern with the two shafts working together, as if it is just a single shaft. It is much faster to redesign a threading and treadling than it is for me to move that many heddles for a large project, only to have to return them to their original shafts once the project is woven.
Faye Kurnick
 

Hi Joe,  Wow—what an incredible set up you have devised!  Very clever.  I am debating between a design with 178 ends per repeat and another with only 24 per repeat.  I’m tempted by the design with 178 ends, but am very concerned about possibility of making mistakes in threading.  I’d love to see a photo too.  Thank you.  Faye


On Jan 14, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:


Hi Everyone & Faye

I to have been a weaver, like yourself a few years, I can't help you with books and magazines to find out more about the weave structures you would like to learn more about 

I have found I do not have too much trouble treadling some multi-shaft patterns When I get to 12 shafts I at times lose my place, and make a mistake. I wanted to buy a product from a company to help me not make mistakes, I was told to call back in a year, I did that to be told I should call back a year from now and then they should be able to sell me the product they make Well I got this idea and I talked to a friend of mine that is crazy about anything to do with any kind of technology. 

1 you need an old small monitor
2 you need a rack like you use to bake a chicken on in a roasting pan "don't laugh just yet"
3 you need an over the door coat hook with two hooks 

You put the coat hook over the cross member no holes in the loom you mount the monitor to the chicken rack the chicken rack has hand pick up and stops the monitor from siding side-ways. 

4 you need a wide-angle outdoor camera it comes with the cable. I made a small wood box mounted the camera to the top of it 

I hooked the camera cable to the monitor plugged in the monitor set the camera where I thought it should be set on the floor, I sat bench and turned on the monitor, I could see treadles all 12 and my feet I did have to adjust the placement of the wood box and the camera. I put number on the treadles in order I want to treadle pattern with tape. When I want to stop weaving, I use a wipe off marker on the screen of the monitor to keep track of where I stopped weaving. Works great. Keep in mind the weaving tool I made is not as fancy as the company makes. I sit close in to my AVL loom on built in half bench not easy to look under loom at the treadles, the idea I had works, just fine for my needs I just have to glance at the monitor and keep on weaving mistake free. I don't have to wait one more year. The cost, the cost was a little more money, I bought a colored camera came with the cable just over $15.00 with shipping, not black and white the rest I had around the house. 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A. 






 
  

 
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Sally O <s.orgren@...>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 10:43 AM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 12 shaft information
 

Faye,

- If this is a floor loom, you might find your pattern selection limited by the number of treadles you have. Tim's Treadle reducer is a great tool for modifying the tie up to the treadles on the loom. I find that about half the time, 14 treadles are not enough without some type of modification.

- A benefit of having more shafts (aside from looking at more shaft-hungry patterns) means you don't have to move heddles as often for some structures.

For instance, when weaving Bronson, every other thread falls on a single shaft. Instead of moving half of the required heddles to a single shaft, you can thread alternating warps on shafts 1 and 2. Treadle the pattern with the two shafts working together, as if it is just a single shaft. It is much faster to redesign a threading and treadling than it is for me to move that many heddles for a large project, only to have to return them to their original shafts once the project is woven.
DR D W Taylor
 

Hi joe
How about a picture of your set-up? I’d love to see you ingenious idea. I’ve seen bicycle mirrors used for monitoring the shed for mistakes but haven’t heard of this one. Thanks for sharing. Peace. D. Taylor, DVM
Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & Faye

I to have been a weaver, like yourself a few years, I can't help you with books and magazines to find out more about the weave structures you would like to learn more about 

I have found I do not have too much trouble treadling some multi-shaft patterns When I get to 12 shafts I at times lose my place, and make a mistake. I wanted to buy a product from a company to help me not make mistakes, I was told to call back in a year, I did that to be told I should call back a year from now and then they should be able to sell me the product they make Well I got this idea and I talked to a friend of mine that is crazy about anything to do with any kind of technology. 

1 you need an old small monitor
2 you need a rack like you use to bake a chicken on in a roasting pan "don't laugh just yet"
3 you need an over the door coat hook with two hooks 

You put the coat hook over the cross member no holes in the loom you mount the monitor to the chicken rack the chicken rack has hand pick up and stops the monitor from siding side-ways. 

4 you need a wide-angle outdoor camera it comes with the cable. I made a small wood box mounted the camera to the top of it 

I hooked the camera cable to the monitor plugged in the monitor set the camera where I thought it should be set on the floor, I sat bench and turned on the monitor, I could see treadles all 12 and my feet I did have to adjust the placement of the wood box and the camera. I put number on the treadles in order I want to treadle pattern with tape. When I want to stop weaving, I use a wipe off marker on the screen of the monitor to keep track of where I stopped weaving. Works great. Keep in mind the weaving tool I made is not as fancy as the company makes. I sit close in to my AVL loom on built in half bench not easy to look under loom at the treadles, the idea I had works, just fine for my needs I just have to glance at the monitor and keep on weaving mistake free. I don't have to wait one more year. The cost, the cost was a little more money, I bought a colored camera came with the cable just over $15.00 with shipping, not black and white the rest I had around the house. 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A. 






 
  

 

From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Sally O <s.orgren@...>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 10:43 AM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 12 shaft information
 

Faye,

- If this is a floor loom, you might find your pattern selection limited by the number of treadles you have. Tim's Treadle reducer is a great tool for modifying the tie up to the treadles on the loom. I find that about half the time, 14 treadles are not enough without some type of modification.

- A benefit of having more shafts (aside from looking at more shaft-hungry patterns) means you don't have to move heddles as often for some structures.

For instance, when weaving Bronson, every other thread falls on a single shaft. Instead of moving half of the required heddles to a single shaft, you can thread alternating warps on shafts 1 and 2. Treadle the pattern with the two shafts working together, as if it is just a single shaft. It is much faster to redesign a threading and treadling than it is for me to move that many heddles for a large project, only to have to return them to their original shafts once the project is woven.
Sally O
 

Faye,

- If this is a floor loom, you might find your pattern selection limited by the number of treadles you have. Tim's Treadle reducer is a great tool for modifying the tie up to the treadles on the loom. I find that about half the time, 14 treadles are not enough without some type of modification.

- A benefit of having more shafts (aside from looking at more shaft-hungry patterns) means you don't have to move heddles as often for some structures.

For instance, when weaving Bronson, every other thread falls on a single shaft. Instead of moving half of the required heddles to a single shaft, you can thread alternating warps on shafts 1 and 2. Treadle the pattern with the two shafts working together, as if it is just a single shaft. It is much faster to redesign a threading and treadling than it is for me to move that many heddles for a large project, only to have to return them to their original shafts once the project is woven.
jody Williams
 

Faye,  my husband tips my Gilmore loom up and leans the front beam on a side table.  I can get at the tie-ups very easily.

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On Dec 30, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Faye Kurnick via groups.io <fayekol@...> wrote:

Isabelle, those drafts are incredibly beautiful and might easily change my mind about focusing on turned twill or double weave right away.  I will report back to group how I fare, but it might be a while to get something on the loom given that I will be stuck (swearing) under the loom for a long time as I try to tie up correctly.

I will respond to any other ideas directly to the writer as I think I am using up too much oxygen on weavetech now that I have broken my silence.  Again, thanks for all the helpful responses—what a great group.

Also, despite what it says in your inbox, my last name is now Kolhonen (not Kurnick)—I went back to my maiden name years ago but, even with expert help, could not get Yahoo to understand the change.  Faye

On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Isabelle Fusey <ifusey@...> wrote:

And lots of eye candy in the Marian Stubenitsky books. You can see 12-shaft drafts from one of the books here
https://handweaving.net/collection-drafts/collection/77/weaving-with-echo-and-iris-marian-stubenitsky?page=0&minshafts=12&maxshafts=12&maxtreadles=0&maxfloatlength=0&vbe=2&hbe=2

Isabelle


Doreen McLaughlin
 

            Faye, if you’re still in the Denver area, the Rocky Mountain Weavers Guild meets monthly Sep – May and is having their Member-to-Member Sale this coming January 15th in Arvada.

Doreen McLaughlin
Faye Kurnick
 

Isabelle, those drafts are incredibly beautiful and might easily change my mind about focusing on turned twill or double weave right away.  I will report back to group how I fare, but it might be a while to get something on the loom given that I will be stuck (swearing) under the loom for a long time as I try to tie up correctly.

I will respond to any other ideas directly to the writer as I think I am using up too much oxygen on weavetech now that I have broken my silence.  Again, thanks for all the helpful responses—what a great group.

Also, despite what it says in your inbox, my last name is now Kolhonen (not Kurnick)—I went back to my maiden name years ago but, even with expert help, could not get Yahoo to understand the change.  Faye

On Dec 30, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Isabelle Fusey <ifusey@...> wrote:

And lots of eye candy in the Marian Stubenitsky books. You can see 12-shaft drafts from one of the books here
https://handweaving.net/collection-drafts/collection/77/weaving-with-echo-and-iris-marian-stubenitsky?page=0&minshafts=12&maxshafts=12&maxtreadles=0&maxfloatlength=0&vbe=2&hbe=2

Isabelle

Faye Kurnick
 

Pat and Tina—Handweaving.net is a great resource that I haven’t used very much.  I did look up 12S turned twill last night and there was just one draft, but I will open up my search as there are so many good designs.  Faye

On Dec 30, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Pat via groups.io <knitspinweave@...> wrote:

And to keep you busy while studying the really good books that have been recommended, just do a random search on Handweaving.net with your loom's parameters in the filters.  Lots of fun.

Pat Brown 

On Thursday, December 30, 2021, 10:24:15 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


You can also make an 8 shaft pattern, and use the remaining 4 for a double weave boarder.  This is attractive and durable.
Sandra
Isabelle Fusey
 

And lots of eye candy in the Marian Stubenitsky books. You can see 12-shaft drafts from one of the books here
https://handweaving.net/collection-drafts/collection/77/weaving-with-echo-and-iris-marian-stubenitsky?page=0&minshafts=12&maxshafts=12&maxtreadles=0&maxfloatlength=0&vbe=2&hbe=2

Isabelle
Tina Hilton
 

Also, there are many drafts on https://www.handweaving.net/ to get you going.  There is a small annual fee, but it's well worth it. 

Tina

On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 9:21 AM Faye Kurnick via groups.io <fayekol=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks, Sandy.  I had forgotten I had Kathryn’s book, but dug it out and have spent the past hour going through it and marking the 12S designs.  I learned to weave in Sweden and then moved to Denver in 1978 and took a year of classes from Kathryn.  It gave me an incredible foundation and I have always compared it to graduate level classes! Faye
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Faye Kurnick
 

Thanks, Sandy. I had forgotten I had Kathryn’s book, but dug it out and have spent the past hour going through it and marking the 12S designs. I learned to weave in Sweden and then moved to Denver in 1978 and took a year of classes from Kathryn. It gave me an incredible foundation and I have always compared it to graduate level classes! Faye

On Dec 30, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Sandaidh <sandaidh@...> wrote:

Exploring Multishaft Design - Bonnie Inouye
More Then Four - Mary Laughlin
8, 10 . . . 20 An Introduction to Multishaft Weaving - Kathryn Wertenberger


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Faye Kurnick
 

What a good idea. I never thought about that.  I assume it would give great definition to the edges without distorting the main body of item.  Faye


On Dec 30, 2021, at 10:24 AM, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


You can also make an 8 shaft pattern, and use the remaining 4 for a double weave boarder.  This is attractive and durable.
Sandra
Pat
 

And to keep you busy while studying the really good books that have been recommended, just do a random search on Handweaving.net with your loom's parameters in the filters.  Lots of fun.

Pat Brown 

On Thursday, December 30, 2021, 10:24:15 AM EST, bigwhitesofadog <sandra.eberhart@...> wrote:


You can also make an 8 shaft pattern, and use the remaining 4 for a double weave boarder.  This is attractive and durable.
Sandra
bigwhitesofadog
 

You can also make an 8 shaft pattern, and use the remaining 4 for a double weave boarder.  This is attractive and durable.
Sandra
Sandaidh
 

Exploring Multishaft Design - Bonnie Inouye
More Then Four - Mary Laughlin
8, 10 . . . 20 An Introduction to Multishaft Weaving - Kathryn Wertenberger


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Faye Kurnick
 

Thank you, Sonnie.  I am not familiar with that book, but will try to order it today.  Faye


On Dec 30, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Sonnie Sperati <slsweaver@...> wrote:

Exploring Multishaft Design by Bonnie Inouye

On Dec 29, 2021, at 22:49, Faye Kurnick via groups.io <fayekol@...> wrote:

Hi all,  I have been mostly a stalker on this site up till this point.  During the first wave of the pandemic I got this great idea to convert my 10 shaft Glimåkra into 12 shafts, but so far it has been standing there in its 12 shaft glory while I continue to weave on my 8 shaft looms—I’m somewhat intimidated by it! (despite being a weaver for 44 years).  
Can anyone recommend any books or magazine articles that deal with 12 shaft weaving?  I am particularly interested in turned twill and double weave. Thank you.  Faye (just north of Boston)
Faye Kurnick
 

Thank you, Sara. I will start working on designing that today—I was hoping to be able to have offset squares on a double weave scarf instead of all of them lined up. Faye

On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:23 PM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:

You can expand your ideas in profile drafting to 3 blocks of any 4 shaft
structure - meaning that you can now design a 2-block pattern and add a
solid background or add a third block to your design.

Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
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Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Faye Kurnick
 

Doreen, What an amazing resource—thank you! Faye

On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:15 PM, Doreen McLaughlin <doreen@...> wrote:

 Roger Knapp has put one hundred 12-shaft weaving drafts on his
website (https://www.rogerknapp.com/Weaving12/12shaftdrafts1-20.htm ).
Doreen
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