Multi yarns used as one


Penny Peters
 

Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


Vera Totos
 

You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


Elizabeth Moncrief
 

A doubling stand will tend to wind the yarns at an uneven tension and mess with you. The trick is to apply a lot of tension when winding on. Thread them thru your fingers for the tension. Also if you have EFS and pirn, this will actually twist the threads as they feed off the pirn which is a good thing

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Sara von Tresckow
 

In addition to Liz's suggestion, keep your hand very close to the bobbin,
quill or pirn so the threads cannot separate on the way to winding on.

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Marion Stubenitsky
 

Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

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Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


Joe P
 

Hi Everyone 

I buy most of my threads on 3–4-pound cones they are too big around to fit on a doubling stand I use the plastic milk crates upside down they fit together when I stack them more then 2-3 high are nice and stable. 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.

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Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

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Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


Denise Drake
 

Marian,
I’ve seen this yarn twister.  Anyplace you can buy in the US?

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
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4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
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On Feb 1, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


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Marion Stubenitsky
 

Denise, you could try Lone Star Loom Room, as she sells the Venne yarn.
I must add a note! The device can only be used with the grey Venne cones.

Marian
Marian,
I’ve seen this yarn twister.  Anyplace you can buy in the US?

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803   M 701 866 2130  

On Feb 1, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

 Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters

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Denise Drake
 

Oh darn, I was hoping to use it for my stock of 140/2 silk.  I’m wanting to use them tripled in a warp. 

On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:37 AM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

Denise, you could try Lone Star Loom Room, as she sells the Venne yarn. 
I must add a note! The device can only be used with the grey Venne cones. 

Marian
Marian,
I’ve seen this yarn twister.  Anyplace you can buy in the US?

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803   M 701 866 2130  

On Feb 1, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

 Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters

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Kati Meek
 

Yes, all the suggestions are good and I add a damp microfiber cloth wrapped around the exit of the stand with the doubled yarns, and another damp microfiber in my hand as I guide the threads onto the pirn.  Helps the threads stick together AND protects my hand from cuts and burns.  And yes, mixing shades makes for lovely depth of color. Treadle with Joy, Kati


Joanna Brandt
 

The Leclerc doubling stand says it is actually for 3 strands of yarn because one cone can go on the floor if it is mounted on the wall.


On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 8:17 AM Denise Drake <ddrake@...> wrote:
Oh darn, I was hoping to use it for my stock of 140/2 silk.  I’m wanting to use them tripled in a warp. 

On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:37 AM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

Denise, you could try Lone Star Loom Room, as she sells the Venne yarn. 
I must add a note! The device can only be used with the grey Venne cones. 

Marian
Marian,
I’ve seen this yarn twister.  Anyplace you can buy in the US?

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803   M 701 866 2130  

On Feb 1, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

 Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters

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bigwhitesofadog
 

I use several threads as one often.  It usually isn't a problem if I wind the pirn tightly.  When using very slick yarns I sometimes take the time to play them on a wheel.
Sandra


Denise Drake
 

This works for weft, but not for warp?

Denise Drake
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On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:30 AM, Kati Meek <krmeek@...> wrote:

Yes, all the suggestions are good and I add a damp microfiber cloth wrapped around the exit of the stand with the doubled yarns, and another damp microfiber in my hand as I guide the threads onto the pirn.  Helps the threads stick together AND protects my hand from cuts and burns.  And yes, mixing shades makes for lovely depth of color. Treadle with Joy, Kati

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Penny Peters
 

I just looked at the Venn twister.... Thank you, Marion.
Thanks for all the input from everyone.  Now I have a better idea of what to do with all the very very thin silk I have. 
Penny

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 4:46 PM Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:
Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


suzyfurness
 

I haven't seen any mention of using a spinning wheel to ply the yarns together, but I might have missed it. I use an electric spinning wheel to ply multi strands together for a big project but for the sample where I want to try this and that, I use the cones on top of each other as described. The electric spinning wheel is fast and I can control the tension thru my hand grip. Just a word of warning though. Once, I plied two silk yarns together, gobs of it, and then I discovered that they had different shrinkage rates when I dyed them! I had gobs of unusable yarn!
Suzy


Denise Drake
 

I have been looking at them, but they are so expensive. Would a cheaper model do the trick?

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803 M 701 866 2130

On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:01 PM, suzyfurness via groups.io <suzyfurness@...> wrote:

I haven't seen any mention of using a spinning wheel to ply the yarns together, but I might have missed it. I use an electric spinning wheel to ply multi strands together for a big project but for the sample where I want to try this and that, I use the cones on top of each other as described. The electric spinning wheel is fast and I can control the tension thru my hand grip. Just a word of warning though. Once, I plied two silk yarns together, gobs of it, and then I discovered that they had different shrinkage rates when I dyed them! I had gobs of unusable yarn!
Suzy




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SANDRA HUTTON
 

Well, this is interesting.  I stand corrected.  I'll be interested in looking over the Venne twister.

Sandy



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-------- Original message --------
From: Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...>
Date: 2/2/21 12:52 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Multi yarns used as one

I just looked at the Venn twister.... Thank you, Marion.
Thanks for all the input from everyone.  Now I have a better idea of what to do with all the very very thin silk I have. 
Penny

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 4:46 PM Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:
Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters


Marion Stubenitsky
 

Sandy, be aware of the fact that you have to use the grey cones of Venne! I use to spool yarns from different cones on empty Venne cones.

Marian
Well, this is interesting.  I stand corrected.  I'll be interested in looking over the Venne twister.

Sandy



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-------- Original message --------
From: Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...>
Date: 2/2/21 12:52 PM (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Multi yarns used as one

I just looked at the Venn twister.... Thank you, Marion.
Thanks for all the input from everyone.  Now I have a better idea of what to do with all the very very thin silk I have. 
Penny

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 4:46 PM Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:
Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 
Marian

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:


You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 


The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 


Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:
Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.
Thanks
Penny Peters





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sallyeyring
 

I have not been able to find a link for the Venn twister. Can someone post one?

Thank you

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Sara von Tresckow
 

Sally,

 

Here is the Venne Yarn Twister:

https://www.vennecolcoton.com/catalogus/cat2Twister.html?merk=1&zoek=&zoom=479

 

Hans von Tresckow

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I have not been able to find a link for the Venn twister. Can someone post one?

 

Thank you

 

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