A doubling stand will tend to wind the yarns at an uneven tension and mess with you. The trick is to apply a lot of tension when winding on. Thread them thru your fingers for the tension. Also if you have EFS and pirn, this will actually twist the threads as they feed off the pirn which is a good thing

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In addition to Liz's suggestion, keep your hand very close to the bobbin,
quill or pirn so the threads cannot separate on the way to winding on.

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Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 

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Marian,

I’ve seen this yarn twister.  Anyplace you can buy in the US?

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On Feb 1, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

 Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 

Marian

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Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:



You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 

https://woolery.com/leclerc-doubling-stand.html

The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 

Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:

Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.

Thanks

Penny Peters

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Denise Drake

Oh darn, I was hoping to use it for my stock of 140/2 silk.  I’m wanting to use them tripled in a warp. 

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Yes, all the suggestions are good and I add a damp microfiber cloth wrapped around the exit of the stand with the doubled yarns, and another damp microfiber in my hand as I guide the threads onto the pirn.  Helps the threads stick together AND protects my hand from cuts and burns.  And yes, mixing shades makes for lovely depth of color. Treadle with Joy, Kati

This works for weft, but not for warp?

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I haven't seen any mention of using a spinning wheel to ply the yarns together, but I might have missed it. I use an electric spinning wheel to ply multi strands together for a big project but for the sample where I want to try this and that, I use the cones on top of each other as described. The electric spinning wheel is fast and I can control the tension thru my hand grip. Just a word of warning though. Once, I plied two silk yarns together, gobs of it, and then I discovered that they had different shrinkage rates when I dyed them! I had gobs of unusable yarn!
Suzy

I have been looking at them, but they are so expensive. Would a cheaper model do the trick?

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Well, this is interesting.  I stand corrected.  I'll be interested in looking over the Venne twister.

Sandy

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From: Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...>

Date: 2/2/21 12:52 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: weavetech@groups.io

Subject: Re: [weavetech] Multi yarns used as one

I just looked at the Venn twister.... Thank you, Marion.

Thanks for all the input from everyone.  Now I have a better idea of what to do with all the very very thin silk I have. 

Penny

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 4:46 PM Marion Stubenitsky <stubenitsky@...> wrote:

Well Penny, I happen to own a yarn twister from Venne-Colcoton Unikat. A maximum of 9 cones fit in the device. For Stubenitsky Code I used three cones of 20/2 mercerized cotton for warps and wefts. The ‘singles’ loosely  ply together. 

Marian

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Op 1 feb. 2021 om 21:51 heeft Vera Totos <vtotos@...> het volgende geschreven:



You can use a doubling stand, something like this: 

https://woolery.com/leclerc-doubling-stand.html

The idea is that the thread on the bottom goes through the center of the top cone, and as they unwind together, the top thread twists around the thread in the center, keeping the two from separating while winding or weaving. 

Vera

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:45 PM Penny Peters <pennyjanepeters@...> wrote:

Reading The Stubenitsky Code, it looks as if on occasions, 3 strands of fine yarn are used as one, in warp and weft.Made me wonder if anyone has a good method for winding two or three yarns together on a pirn or bobbin.  It is something I have never done successfully.

Thanks

Penny Peters