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16 Harness table loom?

Jennifer
 

Hi All, I am considering purchasing either a Leclerc 16h, 24” table loom or an Ashford.  Any opinions?  I already own 2 8h looms (60” Cranbrook and a 40” Loomcraft) and would like to explore more complex patterns with a 16h.  My concern is that on such a small loom that the harnesses will be crammed too close to each other.  Thanks, Jennifer in Albuquerque
Cynthia Broughton
 

It is not generally a problem having the shafts close together. My 40 shaft AVL has the shafts close together with no problems and they take about the same space as the 24 shaft looms. I have woven on a 12 shaft LeClerc in workshops and didn't like it. I do, however, like the 8 shaft Ashford but have not woven on an Ashford with more than 8.

Cynthia

On 1/9/2021 10:03 AM, Jennifer via groups.io wrote:
Hi All, I am considering purchasing either a Leclerc 16h, 24” table loom or an Ashford.  Any opinions?  I already own 2 8h looms (60” Cranbrook and a 40” Loomcraft) and would like to explore more complex patterns with a 16h.  My concern is that on such a small loom that the harnesses will be crammed too close to each other.  Thanks, Jennifer in Albuquerque


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Suzanne Smith CPA
 

I have the Ashford 24” 16H.   If you are handy, this is a good choice because you’ll have to put it together.  It does take time to put together with some challenges in installing the harnesses using the supplied Texsolv cord.   My challenge was in getting the harnesses evened up with each other.  

I recommend getting the stand.  

The harnesses are not crammed together.  They move freely.  

I am up the road from you in Santa Fe.  If you want to chat or even have a Covid safe “visit” I would be happy to do that.  

Suzanne 

On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar@...> wrote:

Hi All, I am considering purchasing either a Leclerc 16h, 24” table loom or an Ashford.  Any opinions?  I already own 2 8h looms (60” Cranbrook and a 40” Loomcraft) and would like to explore more complex patterns with a 16h.  My concern is that on such a small loom that the harnesses will be crammed too close to each other.  Thanks, Jennifer in Albuquerque

Sara von Tresckow
 

I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above". The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Jennifer
 

Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:

I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Jennifer
 

Suzanne, that would be great!  Especially, if I get the Ashford.  What have you woven on it? Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:20 AM, Cynthia Broughton <cbroughton5@...> wrote:

It is not generally a problem having the shafts close together. My 40 shaft AVL has the shafts close together with no problems and they take about the same space as the 24 shaft looms. I have woven on a 12 shaft LeClerc in workshops and didn't like it. I do, however, like the 8 shaft Ashford but have not woven on an Ashford with more than 8.

Cynthia

On 1/9/2021 10:03 AM, Jennifer via groups.io wrote:
Hi All, I am considering purchasing either a Leclerc 16h, 24” table loom or an Ashford.  Any opinions?  I already own 2 8h looms (60” Cranbrook and a 40” Loomcraft) and would like to explore more complex patterns with a 16h.  My concern is that on such a small loom that the harnesses will be crammed too close to each other.  Thanks, Jennifer in Albuquerque


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Denis Seguin
 

Hi,

Do you know seguin loom
www.seguinlooms.com
is a motorized looms, table top, and is possible to put a  trolley

regards

Denis


Le sam. 9 janv. 2021, à 12 h 59, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar=yahoo.com@groups.io> a écrit :
Suzanne, that would be great!  Especially, if I get the Ashford.  What have you woven on it? Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:20 AM, Cynthia Broughton <cbroughton5@...> wrote:

It is not generally a problem having the shafts close together. My 40 shaft AVL has the shafts close together with no problems and they take about the same space as the 24 shaft looms. I have woven on a 12 shaft LeClerc in workshops and didn't like it. I do, however, like the 8 shaft Ashford but have not woven on an Ashford with more than 8.

Cynthia

On 1/9/2021 10:03 AM, Jennifer via groups.io wrote:
Hi All, I am considering purchasing either a Leclerc 16h, 24” table loom or an Ashford.  Any opinions?  I already own 2 8h looms (60” Cranbrook and a 40” Loomcraft) and would like to explore more complex patterns with a 16h.  My concern is that on such a small loom that the harnesses will be crammed too close to each other.  Thanks, Jennifer in Albuquerque


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Susan Lee-Bechtold
 

Jennifer,

And I guess I am just up the road, too.  But my loom was made by the Norris’s, and is probably 16” weaving width and 16 shafts, I have never had a problem with the shafts too close together, despite my astigmatism, and while I would love it to be wider…this size is very easy for me to carry, and maneuver through doors, put in trunks of cars, and balance on chairs while I put the legs on, and I think wider would be harder, for me.-the other Su(in Santa Fe)

 

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Subject: [weavetech] 16 Harness table loom?

 

Hi All, I am considering purchasing either a Leclerc 16h, 24” table loom or an Ashford.  Any opinions?  I already own 2 8h looms (60” Cranbrook and a 40” Loomcraft) and would like to explore more complex patterns with a 16h.  My concern is that on such a small loom that the harnesses will be crammed too close to each other.  Thanks, Jennifer in Albuquerque

kathyo
 

I’d recommend an Ashford 32” with stand for 16 harnesses....

kathyo

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar@...> wrote:

 Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:

I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Vera Totos
 

What about the AVL Little Weaver? 

I am also intrigued by a small, portable loom with more shafts. 

Anyone has experience with it? 


Vera

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:07 PM kathyo <kathyanneolson@...> wrote:
I’d recommend an Ashford 32” with stand for 16 harnesses....

kathyo

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer



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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:

I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Cynthia Broughton
 

The original Little Weaver had many problems and has been removed from the AVL web site. There are rumors a new version will be available sometime in the future.

Cynthia

On 1/9/2021 2:44 PM, Vera Totos wrote:
What about the AVL Little Weaver? 

I am also intrigued by a small, portable loom with more shafts. 

Anyone has experience with it? 


Vera

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 1:07 PM kathyo <kathyanneolson@...> wrote:
I’d recommend an Ashford 32” with stand for 16 harnesses....

kathyo

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer



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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:

I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs









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jmc502001
 

I would consider the LeClerc Voyageur 16h table loom also.  It comes in several widths and is sturdy, portable and well made.
Sally McG


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From: kathyo <kathyanneolson@ gmail.com>
To: weavetech@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 16 Harness table loom?

I’d recommend an Ashford 32” with stand for 16 harnesses....

kathyo

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar@...> wrote:

 Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:
I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Fran Osten
 

Having woven on a variety of table looms in round-robin workshops over the years , I would recommend the ashford over the voyager. I personally own a Louet 8 shaft and feel the Ashford is of similar quality, good to weave on and ease of use but the Louet doesn’t come with 16 shafts.  I definitely prefer to weave on a floor loom but for portability for workshops, a table loom is the easiest.  The Ashford folds down pretty compactly even with a warp on— an advantage over the Voyager for shipping or schlepping around. Color coding of levers on the voyager are a nice amenity however.
I tend to weave complex weaves without repeats so my dobby loom works best for me but a table loom is doable as you are not constrained by the number of treadles as I used to be with my 16shaft Macomber. (I found I had treadle envy rather than shaft envy much of the time). While slow and requiring constant attentiveness, a table loom gets around that)

Fran Osten
Goose Cove Looms

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 10:12 PM jmc502001 via groups.io <JMc50=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would consider the LeClerc Voyageur 16h table loom also.  It comes in several widths and is sturdy, portable and well made.
Sally McG


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From: kathyo <kathyanneolson@ gmail.com>
To: weavetech@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 16 Harness table loom?

I’d recommend an Ashford 32” with stand for 16 harnesses....

kathyo

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:
I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
bigwhitesofadog
 

I also wanted to explore 16 shaft designs and got a table loom.  I found that the work was so slow, compared to my floor looms, and following a 16 shaft lift plan accurately requires a lot of attention.  I did not find this pleasant work.  Knowing this now,  If I was looking for a 16 shaft portable loom, I would look at a Louet or Leclerc or Seguin table dobby loom.  The Seguin is interesting.
Sandra
Melissa Weaver Dunning
 

I have an 8H Voyageur that folds compactly with a warp on it. I imagine that the 16H Voyageur has the same design.
I do like the swinging beater on the Ashford table loom.

Melissa Weaver Dunning
Peace Weavers
Traditional Handweaving
Jennifer
 

Wow! Great ideas from all.  Yes, I am concerned that compared to my treadle looms, using a hand levered loom will be very slow going.  I’ve owned an 8 harness table loom and it was slow.  At the time I had a RV and wanted a “portable” loom and I also took the loom into Head Start classes and let the students play around with it.  What I’m concerned about with an electronic loom, is what happens when there are technical problems.  Computer technology doesn’t intimidated me but if I have to ship malfunctioning parts to Quebec from New Mexico sounds daunting and expensive.  One of the other reasons I want a table loom is so I can take it to the gallery and do some demoing.  An electronic loom may not project the “artsy image” that I will be trying to portray, more like a computer nerd that is also a weaver.  So I guess I need to set my priorities, portability vs heavy and electronic.  I may go for a Debby or like because of my age, I’ll be turning 70 this year, and impatience.  Thank you all and I look forward to hearing your ideas, Jennifer


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jmc502001
 

The LeClerc Voyageur does fold down for shipping with or without a warp on it.  LeClerc's web site has a good explanation.



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From: Fran Osten <fran.osten@...>
Date: 1/10/21 12:56 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 16 Harness table loom?

Having woven on a variety of table looms in round-robin workshops over the years , I would recommend the ashford over the voyager. I personally own a Louet 8 shaft and feel the Ashford is of similar quality, good to weave on and ease of use but the Louet doesn’t come with 16 shafts.  I definitely prefer to weave on a floor loom but for portability for workshops, a table loom is the easiest.  The Ashford folds down pretty compactly even with a warp on— an advantage over the Voyager for shipping or schlepping around. Color coding of levers on the voyager are a nice amenity however.
I tend to weave complex weaves without repeats so my dobby loom works best for me but a table loom is doable as you are not constrained by the number of treadles as I used to be with my 16shaft Macomber. (I found I had treadle envy rather than shaft envy much of the time). While slow and requiring constant attentiveness, a table loom gets around that)

Fran Osten
Goose Cove Looms

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 10:12 PM jmc502001 via groups.io <JMc50=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would consider the LeClerc Voyageur 16h table loom also.  It comes in several widths and is sturdy, portable and well made.
Sally McG


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From: kathyo <kathyanneolson@ gmail.com>
To: weavetech@groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2021 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: [weavetech] 16 Harness table loom?

I’d recommend an Ashford 32” with stand for 16 harnesses....

kathyo

On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:55 AM, Jennifer via groups.io <senoradeltelar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 Thank you both.  Great information.  Yes, 24”, 16h is what I really want.  I do demos at the gallery and do need a table loom.  Regards, Jennifer


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On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 10:42 AM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:
I would consider the 24" weaving width. With 16 shafts, your pattern repeats
will take more threads and unless you weave with very fine thread, are apt
to find the narrow width quite limiting. The number of shafts and their
placement should not be a major issue. The hand levers are somewhat slow,
but effective and do not require a tieup.
A 16 shaft floor loom with greater width would allow a greater range of
fabrics. But, tying up any 16 shaft loom takes time. if a jack loom, the
heavy frames must be lifted. If a countermarche, 256 connections need to be
formed to weave 16/16 patterns.
Probably the most effective solution to 16 shaft weaving is a dobby loom
that does not need a tieup and allows the pattern to be changed vis computer
file at any point during the weaving - but those are usually rather large
and expensive looms.
Ideally, a new loom should be easy, efficient, solid, not too expensive and
of moderate size - and probably there is no solution that includes "all of
the above".  The table loom solution would at least get you into multishift
patterns far enough to know if you might want to proceed with something
larger.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@...
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs
Doreen McLaughlin
 

            You should also consider a used Woolhouse Julie or Margaret loom with stand.

Doreen
Paola Manzini
 

Louet do a mechanical dobby loom, in case you want to avoid IT issues - however there you may be limited by the length of the chains.

I think (but I am not sure) that the Voyager's levers go back down after a pick, while you have to move the levers back in position for the Ashford, so if that is correct, it should be quicker. 

There are other 16S makers I am aware of (Harris Looms in the UK and Meta Looms in Belgium), but they are in Europe and it may be too costly to ship over to the US.

I AM envious :-D
Paola
Lorraine FAST
 

Purrington also makes a 16 shaft portable loom with an automatic shaft release.  I think the weaving width is 18”.  One of my friends has one of these table looms (in an 8shaft version) and raves about it.

On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Paola Manzini <plmnzn@...> wrote:

Louet do a mechanical dobby loom, in case you want to avoid IT issues - however there you may be limited by the length of the chains.

I think (but I am not sure) that the Voyager's levers go back down after a pick, while you have to move the levers back in position for the Ashford, so if that is correct, it should be quicker. 

There are other 16S makers I am aware of (Harris Looms in the UK and Meta Looms in Belgium), but they are in Europe and it may be too costly to ship over to the US.

I AM envious :-D
Paola

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