Macomber Loom hook question


Louise Yale
 

Hi
My loom is a 4 harness Macomber Ad-a-harness model B5B, purchased used
without a manual 20+ years ago.

It is a great loom however, I have just spent a frustrating time with the
hooks on the loom. They keep
hanging up on one another.

Looked at the Macomber web site and noticed "old style" (assume this is
what I
have?) and "super."

Could not find details. Is there a better solution to the old style hooks?

Does anyone have the "super" on their Macomber? Another solution?

Thanks.
Louise in NorCal


Nann Miller
 

The Super hooks are well worth the cost. One must monitor them as they tend to spread at the hook end occasionally—so you just pinch them together a bit.  You may want to make certain you have a metal lam depressed (as opposed to a dowel at the end of a cord).   When you order the hooks, give your loom model and serial number so they know exactly what style to send. Good luck.


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Louise Yale <cafeina@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:28:40 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: [weavetech] Macomber Loom hook question
 

Hi
My loom is a 4 harness Macomber Ad-a-harness model B5B, purchased used
without a manual 20+ years ago.

It is a great loom however, I have just spent a frustrating time with the
hooks on the loom. They keep
hanging up on one another.

Looked at the Macomber web site and noticed "old style" (assume this is
what I
have?) and "super."

Could not find details. Is there a better solution to the old style hooks?

Does anyone have the "super" on their Macomber? Another solution?

Thanks.
Louise in NorCal











sklarek2
 

I have been teaching weaving at RI School of Design for 40 years. We have 50 Macombers of different vintages. Feel free to call me and I can explain to you about the different hooks.
Email me privately and I’ll send you my cell number. A conversation will be easier than by email.
My email is ssklarek@...
Susan

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:28 PM Louise Yale <cafeina@...> wrote:

Hi
My loom is a 4 harness Macomber Ad-a-harness model B5B, purchased used
without a manual 20+ years ago.

It is a great loom however, I have just spent a frustrating time with the
hooks on the loom. They keep
hanging up on one another.

Looked at the Macomber web site and noticed "old style" (assume this is
what I
have?) and "super."

Could not find details. Is there a better solution to the old style hooks?

Does anyone have the "super" on their Macomber? Another solution?

Thanks.
Louise in NorCal










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marmar weaves
 

Yes. Totally worth ordering the newer long or super hooks. They go in the treadle slot (treadle propped on a coffee can) , and while physically depressing the lamm, hook the hook OVER THE TOP of the lamm where the old hooks went into a hole. The new long hooks put on correctly do not jump out.

Mary Margaret
In middle Tennessee.

Someone has reported using texsolv and pegs. I could not follow that.

On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Louise Yale <cafeina@...> wrote:

Looked at the Macomber web site and noticed "old style" (assume this is
what I
have?) and "super."


Louise Yale
 

Hi Mary Margaret
I think we have different models.
There are no holes for the hooks. They just clip onto the horizontal metal
bar.
Louise in NorCal

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Yes. Totally worth ordering the newer long or super hooks. They go in the
treadle slot (treadle propped on a coffee can) , and while physically
depressing the lamm, hook the hook OVER THE TOP of the lamm where the old
hooks went into a hole. The new long hooks put on correctly do not jump
out.

Mary Margaret
In middle Tennessee.

Someone has reported using texsolv and pegs. I could not follow that.

On Jan 14, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Louise Yale <cafeina@...> wrote:

Looked at the Macomber web site and noticed "old style" (assume this is
what I
have?) and "super."





Denise
 

Hi Louise,

I solved that question using Texsolv linked-loop cords with Texsolv arrow pegs. They are available from the Yarn Barn of Kansas and elsewhere. You have to calibrate the length of the cord so that you have enough to secure it around the metal band above the treadle (the band where the old hooks would normally go through), then slide it through the groove in the treadle (I use my reed-sleying tool), then secure the cord beneath the treadle with the arrow peg, making sure you leave a couple of extra spaces. 
It's a time-consuming effort, yes, but then you completely avoid the nasty problem of your hooks slipping out of the treadles at random times.
If you want to discuss further, you can contact me outside of the group at dkovn[at]hotmail.com

Best,
Denise Kovnat
www.denisekovnat.com


Debra
 

Youhttps://www.ravelry.com/groups/macomber-looms
There is a very active and helpful Macomber loom group on Ravelry.  You'll find many resources available to all Macomber questions, including your question about hooks.
Debra


Cynthia Broughton
 

Part of the problem with the treadle hooks on Macomber looms is treadling technique. This loom likes the treadles to be released slowly rather than just rapidly lifting the foot off the treadle and letting the shafts drop. Other looms seem not to be bothered this way. If the treadling is gentile the loom behaves better.

Cynthia



Teresa Ruch
 

I have not found this to be a problem on any macombers I have used. I have only woven on full size mac not baby macs so that might make the difference. I am a production weaver and like the macs because they are faster than my avl.
Teresa

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cynthia Broughton <cbroughton5@...> wrote:

Part of the problem with the treadle hooks on Macomber looms is treadling technique. This loom likes the treadles to be released slowly rather than just rapidly lifting the foot off the treadle and letting the shafts drop. Other looms seem not to be bothered this way. If the treadling is gentile the loom behaves better.

Cynthia



Nann Miller
 

I have used a Macomber 8-shaft 48" B4 for over 50 years--20 of those as a production weaver.  Alden Amos timed our weaving speed at a shot every second to 1-1/4 seconds, so speed isn't the issue.  The hooks do not fly off.  During the last 10 years, I have moved to a 16-shaft B5 and the hooks still don't fly off.  I also weave on a 24" 8-shaft Baby Mac, and I don't have issues there either. I work in a weaving studio with 5 other 4- or 8-shaft B4s and they don't have problems. Each of these looms uses a different size Super-Hook and I am careful not to mix the hooks up.

I wonder if you are centering the hook directly over the treadle?  Are you making certain the hooks are the correct size for the loom and number of shafts on the loom?  As you install (or remove the hooks) do you check them to see that they aren't splayed at the top where it bends back?

Nann Miller


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Teresa Ruch <teresaruch@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:05 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Macomber Loom hook question
 
I have not found this to be a problem on any macombers I have used. I have only woven on full size mac not baby macs so that might make the difference. I am a production weaver and like the macs because they are faster than my avl.
Teresa

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cynthia Broughton <cbroughton5@...> wrote:

Part of the problem with the treadle hooks on Macomber looms is treadling technique. This loom likes the treadles to be released slowly rather than just rapidly lifting the foot off the treadle and letting the shafts drop. Other looms seem not to be bothered this way. If the treadling is gentile the loom behaves better.

Cynthia



Louise Yale
 

Hi Nann
Thank you for the valuable tips.
Louise in NorCal
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I have used a Macomber 8-shaft 48" B4 for over 50 years--20 of those as a
production weaver. Alden Amos timed our weaving speed at a shot every
second to 1-1/4 seconds, so speed isn't the issue. The hooks do not fly
off. During the last 10 years, I have moved to a 16-shaft B5 and the
hooks still don't fly off. I also weave on a 24" 8-shaft Baby Mac, and I
don't have issues there either. I work in a weaving studio with 5 other 4-
or 8-shaft B4s and they don't have problems. Each of these looms uses a
different size Super-Hook and I am careful not to mix the hooks up.

I wonder if you are centering the hook directly over the treadle? Are you
making certain the hooks are the correct size for the loom and number of
shafts on the loom? As you install (or remove the hooks) do you check
them to see that they aren't splayed at the top where it bends back?

Nann Miller
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Nann Miller
 

I hope they help!!


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Louise Yale <cafeina@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:46:59 PM
To: WeaveTech <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Macomber Loom hook question
 

Hi Nann
Thank you for the valuable tips.
Louise in NorCal
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> I have used a Macomber 8-shaft 48" B4 for over 50 years--20 of those as a
> production weaver.  Alden Amos timed our weaving speed at a shot every
> second to 1-1/4 seconds, so speed isn't the issue.  The hooks do not fly
> off.  During the last 10 years, I have moved to a 16-shaft B5 and the
> hooks still don't fly off.  I also weave on a 24" 8-shaft Baby Mac, and I
> don't have issues there either. I work in a weaving studio with 5 other 4-
> or 8-shaft B4s and they don't have problems. Each of these looms uses a
> different size Super-Hook and I am careful not to mix the hooks up.
>
> I wonder if you are centering the hook directly over the treadle?  Are you
> making certain the hooks are the correct size for the loom and number of
> shafts on the loom?  As you install (or remove the hooks) do you check
> them to see that they aren't splayed at the top where it bends back?
>
> Nann Miller
> ________________________________
>





Louise Yale
 

Hi Cynthia
Interesting. Will give it a try.
Louise in NorCal
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Part of the problem with the treadle hooks on Macomber looms is
treadling technique. This loom likes the treadles to be released slowly
rather than just rapidly lifting the foot off the treadle and letting
the shafts drop. Other looms seem not to be bothered this way. If the
treadling is gentile the loom behaves better.

Cynthia




Jayne F
 

Hooks can become misshapen.

If the long straight part of the hook is bent or bowed enough (or if the treadle slot has warped) the hooks can get stuck in the treadle slot. Then, when the treadle is released (traveling upward), the hook moves with it (instead of sliding in the slot) and the hook itself is lifted up off the lam.

Straighten hooks and wax them to be sure they can move in the treadle slots freely.

Jayne in Maine


bigwhitesofadog
 

I have never had a problem with hooks coming off my Baby Mac, and I treadle fast and do not release the treadles gently.  The hooks fit snugly on the lamms and I remove them with pliars.
Sandra


bigwhitesofadog
 

Replacing the hooks with texsolve can damage the shafts if not done carefully.
Sandra


Diane Rabinowitz
 

I have been very frustrated with super hooks and think I will go for texsolv.  What ways would the loom be damaged “if not done carefully”?
thanks!
Diane


Lorelei Caracausa
 

I would like to know, also.  When I still had the shop, I retro-fitted many BabyMacs with Texsolv and never had an issue.  All of the customers seemed extremely pleased to not have the the issue anymore.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 9:02 AM Diane Rabinowitz via Groups.Io <skyisblue2010=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been very frustrated with super hooks and think I will go for texsolv.  What ways would the loom be damaged “if not done carefully”?
thanks!
Diane



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Lorelei


Janet Stollnitz
 

I replaced the hooks on my baby Mac with Texsolv quite a few years ago and haven't had a problem with the shafts. I also replaced the two "s" hooks with three small strips of Velcro. The "s" hooks are/were used to hold the treadle bar in place. I wrapped the Velcro strips around the treadle bar and the flat, metal bar at the front of the loom--one at each end and one in the middle. The treadle bar now stays in place.

Janet

On 1/18/2020 10:02 AM, Diane Rabinowitz via Groups.Io wrote:
I have been very frustrated with super hooks and think I will go for texsolv.  What ways would the loom be damaged “if not done carefully”?
thanks!
Diane

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Janet Stollnitz
Silver Spring Looms
Dyed Dreams
www.dyeddreams.com 
jstollnitz@...


Tina Hilton
 

I haven't converted mine to texsolv yet, but I heard from others the risk of damage is when you fold up the loom with the treadles connected.  If you're not careful, the lamms can get bent.  That's for a Baby Mac obviously.

I do like Janet's idea of using velcro in place of the S hooks for the treadle bar.  Those hooks are often coming undone for me.

Tina Hilton


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:15 AM Lorelei Caracausa <beeweaverstudio@...> wrote:
I would like to know, also.  When I still had the shop, I retro-fitted many BabyMacs with Texsolv and never had an issue.  All of the customers seemed extremely pleased to not have the the issue anymore.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 9:02 AM Diane Rabinowitz via Groups.Io <skyisblue2010=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been very frustrated with super hooks and think I will go for texsolv.  What ways would the loom be damaged “if not done carefully”?
thanks!
Diane



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Lorelei