sectional warp different setts?


lg.handwovens
 

As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I? My scarf design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some sections contain both setts within one section. The warp is about 8 yds long. Thank you in advance for sharing your expertise regarding this issue.


E. de Ruiter <eruiter@...>
 

How wide are these different parts of your warp? If the parts are not too wide maybe you can warp all the sections in an average epi of the total and make the difference just in the sleying.
Erica de Ruiter,
't Grind 44,
6581HG, Malden, The Netherlands

I don't think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts,


Marion Stubenitsky
 

I would take the average of the two setts, i.e. take all the threads and divide by the total width. In the reed it will all come right!

Marian


As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I? My scarf design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some sections contain both setts within one section. The warp is about 8 yds long. Thank you in advance for sharing your expertise regarding this issue.


Alaire Rieffel
 

I've never tried it, but I don't know why not. Just wind the appropriate
number of ends onto each section. For sections that need fewer ends, just
pull the unwanted ends out of the tension box and don't wind them for those
sections. Then rethread and continue as needed.

Mostly, I think, it calls for a clear mind and maybe the phone off the hook
for a while. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

Alaire in DC and VA




On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Laura <lg.handwovens@...> wrote:

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As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't
think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I? My scarf
design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some sections contain
both setts within one section. The warp is about 8 yds long. Thank you in
advance for sharing your expertise regarding this issue.



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lg.handwovens
 

Ah yes, of course. Thank you Erica and Marian. I thought I'd done this before, but it's been many years, and that is what I did--average the total and divide into the number of sections.

--- In WeaveTech@..., Marian Stubenitsky wrote:

I would take the average of the two setts, i.e. take all the threads and
divide by the total width. In the reed it will all come right!

Marian

As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't
think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I? My
scarf design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some
sections contain both setts within one section. The warp is about 8
yds long. Thank you in advance for sharing your expertise regarding
this issue.


changepath
 

The suggestions about averaging sound like a good solution.  If your warp is short - one or two scarves you probably don't have to do anything special.  
Let us know how it turns out.
Stephaie Stanley

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augusta uhlenbeck
 

If the use of 2 different EPI is wanted , wish full , because etc you
make : first your all your sections A( 30 epi) and then the all your
section B (24) epi
Change the warp density. when starting with the other sections.!
On a sectional beam that is (only) easier to do then on a non
sectional system.

The reed is an other problem.
You had to choice a reed , were and the 24 and the 30 epi fits well.
= 9 threads /cm and 12 threads/cm Both results are divisible by 3! A
reed of 12 dents/leafs will be the best choice I think that the same
calculation is done with reeds in Epi.

There is thus 1 warp set! warped with the same thread quality and both sections are woven in compatible bindings .
And indeed with 8 yards you can take more risk then with 20 yards. But
but take care.

à ++aub





If hte choise of this 2 d

The use of 2 warp sets is not necessary ( at all)
A sectional beam or not is not

Le 7 janv. 13 à 16:05, Alaire Rieffel a écrit :

I've never tried it, but I don't know why not. Just wind the
appropriate
number of ends onto each section. For sections that need fewer
ends, just
pull the unwanted ends out of the tension box and don't wind them
for those
sections. Then rethread and continue as needed.

Mostly, I think, it calls for a clear mind and maybe the phone off
the hook
for a while. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

Alaire in DC and VA




On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Laura <lg.handwovens@...> wrote:

**


As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't
think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I?
My scarf
design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some sections
contain
both setts within one section. The warp is about 8 yds long. Thank
you in
advance for sharing your expertise regarding this issue.



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Marion Stubenitsky
 

Augusta, I would choose a reed of 30 threads/10 cm, so the threading is 3,3,3, or 4,4,4 threads to a dent.
The more dents, the more wear and tear for the warp threads!

Marian


If the use of 2 different EPI is wanted , wish full , because etc you
make : first your all your sections A( 30 epi) and then the all your
section B (24) epi
Change the warp density. when starting with the other sections.!
On a sectional beam that is (only) easier to do then on a non
sectional system.

The reed is an other problem.
You had to choice a reed , were and the 24 and the 30 epi fits well.
= 9 threads /cm and 12 threads/cm Both results are divisible by 3! A
reed of 12 dents/leafs will be the best choice I think that the same
calculation is done with reeds in Epi.

There is thus 1 warp set! warped with the same thread quality and
both sections are woven in compatible bindings .
And indeed with 8 yards you can take more risk then with 20 yards. But
but take care.

++aub

If hte choise of this 2 d

The use of 2 warp sets is not necessary ( at all)
A sectional beam or not is not
Le 7 janv. 13 16:05, Alaire Rieffel a crit :

I've never tried it, but I don't know why not. Just wind the
appropriate
number of ends onto each section. For sections that need fewer
ends, just
pull the unwanted ends out of the tension box and don't wind them
for those
sections. Then rethread and continue as needed.

Mostly, I think, it calls for a clear mind and maybe the phone off
the hook
for a while. Let us know what you decide and how it goes.

Alaire in DC and VA




On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Laura lg.handwovens@...
<mailto:lg.handwovens%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

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As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't
think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I?
My scarf
design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some sections
contain
both setts within one section. The warp is about 8 yds long. Thank
you in
advance for sharing your expertise regarding this issue.






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Laura Fry Weaving Studio <laura@...>
 

On 1/7/2013 6:07 AM, E. de Ruiter wrote:

How wide are these different parts of your warp? If the parts are not
too wide maybe you can warp all the sections in an average epi of the
total and make the difference just in the sleying.
Erica de Ruiter,
't Grind 44,
6581HG, Malden, The Netherlands
This is exactly what I have done in the past. It works fine if the yarn
has some elasticity.

cheers,
Laura Fry
http://laurafry.com
http://laurasloom.blogspot.com


sandrarude
 

Hi, Laura,
I've used the method Erica suggested, with great success. Just average the two figures, and beam the whole warp at that average number. If there aren't equal amounts of the two setts, you might want to nudge the "average" accordingly.
-- Sandra

On 1/7/2013 5:05 AM, Laura wrote:
As my head hit the pillow last night I suddenly realized that I don't think I can warp a sectional beam with two different setts, can I? My scarf design contains pw sett at 24epi and twill at 30epi. Some sections contain both setts within one section. The warp is about 8 yds long. Thank you in advance for sharing your expertise regarding this issue.


Jenny Jackett <jennijay1@...>
 

Hello All
Be careful if winding different number of ends into each section as suggested by Alaire because the warp tension will be different due to the different bulk in the build up of thread as you wind on. This varies the length of the warp if you are counting by turns of the beam and can leave you short on warp on some wound warp bobbins and varies the tension once the weaving is under way. I use sectional warping most of the time and with varied warps I always spread the different yarn types across the 2" and sort as I thread heddles.
Jenny Jackett
Textile Artisan
Toowoomba Qld
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lg.handwovens
 

Thank you to all for your help. Decided to experiment with the density differences in my next project. This current project has solid colored black stripes (warp/weft color the same) alternating with bright color warp stripes. I decided to make it fancy twill all over, so the structure "hides" in plain view in the solid black sections until closer inspection. I like the effect.


augusta uhlenbeck
 

ouf ouf.

++ aub
Le 8 janv. 13 20:49, Laura a crit :



Thank you to all for your help. Decided to experiment with the
density differences in my next project. This current project has
solid colored black stripes (warp/weft color the same) alternating
with bright color warp stripes. I decided to make it fancy twill all
over, so the structure "hides" in plain view in the solid black
sections until closer inspection. I like the effect.



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