Hi..for many many years I wove professionally on two Gilmores. They were the old rigid ones..no folding parts. They were big and heavy and came apart easily for threading. Had an 8 frame 46" and a 4 frame 56" or 60" I can't remember. Gave one to the weaving class here in SF, and sold one to a friend, who later passed on again. Still weaving well after 50 years or more. I was shocked at how noisy they were when I had a student weaving on one on the second floor and I went downstairs to the kitchen. Loud! glen black