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Re: Cotton Yarn breaking

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone 

8/4 rug warp. 

Black warp has a short life. because of how strong the dye bath has to be used  

Boil proof warp has a short shelf life because aging the strong dye bath. All true colors 

Normal colored warp has not a really strong dye bath 

Pastel warp the day bath is not really strong at all 

White warp is bleached can act just like black warp  

Natural warp has the longest life. 

In the book (Finnish American Rag Rugs) Art Tradition & Ethnic Continuity By, Yvonne R. Lockwood

The book is all about Finnish weavers and the stories of their weaving lives. In the book it is explained Finnish rag rug weavers only weave rag rugs with natural warp because it is the strongest. No chemicals are in the natural warp and it is the strongest. Chemicals weaken the cotton fiber. 

Years ago, I bought a used loom it came with lots of boxes of warp. I warped the loom with some of the brand-new spools of warp and it broke. Cotton warp over years also dry rots. All the warp in the trash. 

I have seen pictures of weaver's studios with lot of shelve full of warps. That is not my style I buy what I need weave it up and them buy more.  Will I buy used warp? No. Will I buy warps off of e-bay? No. Do I want used warp free? No. How old is it? most of the time your guess is as good as mine. 

I am sure some of the weavers on the list will replay they buy used warp all of the time and never have a problem. That is fine I don't tell anyone what to do. I sell my weaving I can't take the chance of not making a quality product. 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.        







From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Lorelei Caracausa <beeweaverstudio@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 5:22 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Cotton Yarn breaking
 
Many years back, I had this discussion with a well known dyer, because, in a painted scarf project, the dark/black stripes I had added for effect,, were constantly breaking.   What I was told was.that to get the intense dark colors, so much minerals was added to the dyes, that it degraded the fibers and made the threads weak.  Mine was wool.
Many years later, a good friend and stellar rag rug weaver, had a run of throw rugs returned, because the black 8/4 cotton warps had disintegrated in the wash.  Same issue.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 3:01 PM Carol Irving <ckirving1204@...> wrote:
My older 5/2 Mercerized cotton is totally falling apart! I will now have to look at all of my cotton. Disappointing!
I posted this on FB, many suggested bugs or other vermin and I don't see any signs of that. This is UKI brand. Others have suggested that bc it is black it is more susceptible to breakage as it ages, anyone else find this to be true? What happens to the yarn once it has been Woven, would it deteriorate then too?

Thanks, Carol Irving
Escanaba, MI


Re: Cotton Yarn breaking

Lorelei Caracausa
 

Many years back, I had this discussion with a well known dyer, because, in a painted scarf project, the dark/black stripes I had added for effect,, were constantly breaking.   What I was told was.that to get the intense dark colors, so much minerals was added to the dyes, that it degraded the fibers and made the threads weak.  Mine was wool.
Many years later, a good friend and stellar rag rug weaver, had a run of throw rugs returned, because the black 8/4 cotton warps had disintegrated in the wash.  Same issue.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020, 3:01 PM Carol Irving <ckirving1204@...> wrote:
My older 5/2 Mercerized cotton is totally falling apart! I will now have to look at all of my cotton. Disappointing!
I posted this on FB, many suggested bugs or other vermin and I don't see any signs of that. This is UKI brand. Others have suggested that bc it is black it is more susceptible to breakage as it ages, anyone else find this to be true? What happens to the yarn once it has been Woven, would it deteriorate then too?

Thanks, Carol Irving
Escanaba, MI


Re: Cotton Yarn breaking

Debbie
 

I just had the same problems with UKI black. Threw it out




On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 4:33 PM, Sandaidh <sandaidh@...> wrote:

From: Carol Irving

My older 5/2 Mercerized cotton is totally falling apart! I will now have to
look at all of my cotton. Disappointing!
I posted this on FB, many suggested bugs or other vermin and I don't see any
signs of that. This is UKI brand. Others have suggested that bc it is black
it is more susceptible to breakage as it ages, anyone else find this to be
true? What happens to the yarn once it has been Woven, would it deteriorate
then too?
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Yes, I’ve had a problem with black dyed cotton – a 20/2, I believe –
breaking to the point of not being able to use it, even as weft.  This was
back in the day when Robin & Russ was still in business.  I took it back to
the store, since I was already in the area visiting family, and the
conclusion was that it had been... overloaded with the black dye which
deteriorated the fiber.  This was also an unmercerized cotton.  The yarn was
replaced and I had no problem.  Because of that experience though, I *do*
tend to inspect black dyed yarns much more carefully.  I don't know of any
problems because of aging.  I suppose I'll find out once I start using my
black yarn again.

Sandy
sandaidh@...


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Re: Cotton Yarn breaking

Sandaidh
 

From: Carol Irving

My older 5/2 Mercerized cotton is totally falling apart! I will now have to look at all of my cotton. Disappointing!
I posted this on FB, many suggested bugs or other vermin and I don't see any signs of that. This is UKI brand. Others have suggested that bc it is black it is more susceptible to breakage as it ages, anyone else find this to be true? What happens to the yarn once it has been Woven, would it deteriorate then too?
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Yes, I’ve had a problem with black dyed cotton – a 20/2, I believe – breaking to the point of not being able to use it, even as weft. This was back in the day when Robin & Russ was still in business. I took it back to the store, since I was already in the area visiting family, and the conclusion was that it had been... overloaded with the black dye which deteriorated the fiber. This was also an unmercerized cotton. The yarn was replaced and I had no problem. Because of that experience though, I *do* tend to inspect black dyed yarns much more carefully. I don't know of any problems because of aging. I suppose I'll find out once I start using my black yarn again.

Sandy
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Re: Cotton Yarn breaking

Barbara Scott
 

Hi Carol,
I had some not terribly aged 2/10 navy mercerized that just fell apart in a warp. It had been fine two years before that. I have seen unmercerized black cotton behave similarly.  It's been a lesson to check the strength of yarns before launching too far into planning a project.

Barbara Scott
Guelph, Canada








Cotton Yarn breaking

Carol Irving
 

My older 5/2 Mercerized cotton is totally falling apart! I will now have to look at all of my cotton. Disappointing!
I posted this on FB, many suggested bugs or other vermin and I don't see any signs of that. This is UKI brand. Others have suggested that bc it is black it is more susceptible to breakage as it ages, anyone else find this to be true? What happens to the yarn once it has been Woven, would it deteriorate then too?

Thanks, Carol Irving
Escanaba, MI


Re: Call for entries Pushing the Limits

Lala de Dios
 

Great Sara! Let me know if you have any question. Privately better…

Best.

Lala de Dios

Indigo Estudio Textil
Ciempozuelos, 3
28359 Titulcia - Madrid
Tel. +34 91 8010907 - 658 059627
@laladedios5
https://www.facebook.com/lala.dedios.7


El 18 oct 2020, a las 19:12, Sara Nordling <sanordling@...> escribió:

This sounds like a great exhibit and I plan to enter it!

Sara
Indiana, USA


Re: Call for entries Pushing the Limits

Sara Nordling
 

This sounds like a great exhibit and I plan to enter it!

Sara
Indiana, USA


Call for entries Pushing the Limits

Lala de Dios
 

Dear colleagues,

I am sending you the link to the call for entries for Pushing the Limits is a virtual shaft weaving art exhibition curated by Olivier Masson and myself. The exhibition will feature unique pieces handwoven on a multi-shaft loom The selected pieces will be shown in an online 3D exhibition engineered by Olivier from December 1, 2020 to December 1, 2021. Deadline for applications is November 15, 2020. 

The call for entries is open to shaft weavers all over the world and participation is free of charge. Our sim as curators is to highlight the creative potential of the shaft loom somewhat hidden lately by the boom of digital Jacquard weaving.  You can find the call for entries in this link https://oliviermasson.art/SWE/CallForEntries.pdf

I will be happy to answer any doubt or query.

Best wishes to all.

Lala de Dios

Indigo Estudio Textil
Ciempozuelos, 3
28359 Titulcia - Madrid
Tel. +34 91 8010907 - 658 059627
@laladedios5
https://www.facebook.com/lala.dedios.7


Re: David Raup's Lace visualizer program #weaving

Pam Rathmell
 

I did manage to get it working in a virtual XP machine on my Windows 10 64bit operating system.  If anyone is interested in how to do this, please send me a PM and I'll try to help.  Still fooling around with Linux.


Re: Wool or Hair?

bigwhitesofadog
 

It is surprising what people think about animals.  I worked with a woman who thought deer lived in families, and if a hunter killed the buck, the family was fatherless.  I have never heard the idea that you have to kill the animal to get fiber, but I live in a rural area with a lot of sheep and alpacas.
Sandra


Re: David Raup's Lace visualizer program #weaving

Pam Rathmell
 
Edited

I've been fooling around with a virtual machine on my 64bit windows 10 machine, but so far I haven't been able to connect to the internet with it.  I'm also working on running a virtual machine in Linux.  I'll report back with my results, but nothing workable as yet.  Creating a virtual machine in either Windows or Linux isn't for everyone, so I'm hoping that Su's husband gets hold of the source and can modify it.  That would be the best result!

A couple of other points:

As far as I can tell, the Lace program does NOT run in compatability mode on my up-to-date Windows 10 64k operating system (I tried every way possible). 
I have the most recent version of Weavepoint, and I don't see any way to visualize lace.


Re: Wool or Hair?

Kati Meek
 

Good for you, Pat.  Your taking your Natasha to spinning demonstrations is a brilliant way to begin to erase a bit of the incredible ignorance in our society.  What are schools teaching these days? 
Thank you, Kati, an old COWG mate.
Kati Reeder Meek
Treehouse Studio
Alpena on the 45th


Re: Wool or Hair?

Pat Bullen
 

From what I could gather, it is only illegal to sell or barter dog or cat hair or items made from dog or cat hair.  It is under their cruelty to animals statute.  Seems bizarre but when we spun and wove an animal hair sampler from various zoo animals for the Columbus Zoo, they quit showing it when people thought it was cruel to kill the animal to get the hair.  We got that question frequently at public spinning demonstrations.  That's why my Pyrenees, Natasha, frequently laid by my side at spinning demonstrations.  She loved being brushed and I would take the hair right from the brush and spin it.


Re: Wool or Hair?

Sally O
 

Interesting article!

Spinning dog hair is illegal in New Jersey. I thought this might be an urban myth, but it is not.

The reason the law was enacted was for the reason Judy C mentioned.


Re: David Raup's Lace visualizer program #weaving

Ros Wardall
 

That is brilliant Su.  Thank you.  Ros

 

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From: Subu
Sent: 13 October 2020 14:19
To: weavetech@groups.io
Subject: Re: [weavetech] David Raup's Lace visualizer program #weaving

 

Hi Ros……my  husband said he is willing to work on the Lace program, but he must have the source code to make the necessary changes.  So now he has to see if Judy still has the source code for this program.  If she does and is willing to let him “improve” it, I’ll let you know.

 

Best,

Su Butler 😊

 

 

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Re: David Raup's Lace visualizer program #weaving

Subu
 

Hi Ros……my  husband said he is willing to work on the Lace program, but he must have the source code to make the necessary changes.  So now he has to see if Judy still has the source code for this program.  If she does and is willing to let him “improve” it, I’ll let you know.

 

Best,

Su Butler 😊

 


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Re: Silk/ramie yarn

Denise Drake
 

60/2/2 is 2 60/2’s plyed together making is equal to a 30/2.

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803   M 701 866 2130  

On Oct 12, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Tina Hilton <tlhilton@...> wrote:


This is a little off-topic, but can someone explain the numbering system for this yarn?  I understand what 60/2 yarn would be, but what is 60/2/2?

Thanks,

Tina

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:28 PM Denise Drake <ddrake@...> wrote:
Denise,
Treenway is now dyeing 60/2/2 Silk.  She is changing her 30/2 to 60/2/2.  I’m placing an order and I need to have 5 skeins of the same color if you are interested in going together on some.  4 week lead time.

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803   M 701 866 2130  

On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Elizabeth Moncrief via groups.io <l.moncrief=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

You might try the Silk Weaving Studio, Granville Island

SanjoSilk.com

Liz Moncrief,    www.aweaversway.com
Instagram address: moncriefliz
 


On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Denise <dkovn@...> wrote:

Question for the group: Does anyone know of a source for silk/ramie yarn -- specifically 60/2/2 silk/ramie? Treenway has discontinued it and all I can find online is a source for 20/2. I would prefer finer than that, however. Thanks!

Regards,
Denise Kovnat
www.denisekovnat.com

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Re: Silk/ramie yarn

Subu
 

Two plies of 60/2 yarn together to form a yarn quite like the size of a 30/2?  I am actually plying two 60/2 strands together for my current project because I don’t have any 30/2 in the right colorway.

 

Su Butler 😊

 

 


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Re: Silk/ramie yarn

Tina Hilton
 

This is a little off-topic, but can someone explain the numbering system for this yarn?  I understand what 60/2 yarn would be, but what is 60/2/2?

Thanks,

Tina


On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:28 PM Denise Drake <ddrake@...> wrote:
Denise,
Treenway is now dyeing 60/2/2 Silk.  She is changing her 30/2 to 60/2/2.  I’m placing an order and I need to have 5 skeins of the same color if you are interested in going together on some.  4 week lead time.

Denise Drake
ddrake@...
Denise Drake Interior Design
4976 Avery Ln S
Fargo ND 58104
T 701 235 8803   M 701 866 2130  

On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Elizabeth Moncrief via groups.io <l.moncrief=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

You might try the Silk Weaving Studio, Granville Island

SanjoSilk.com

Liz Moncrief,    www.aweaversway.com
Instagram address: moncriefliz
 


On Oct 10, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Denise <dkovn@...> wrote:

Question for the group: Does anyone know of a source for silk/ramie yarn -- specifically 60/2/2 silk/ramie? Treenway has discontinued it and all I can find online is a source for 20/2. I would prefer finer than that, however. Thanks!

Regards,
Denise Kovnat
www.denisekovnat.com

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