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Re: Remote Learning
Lisa Davy
I’m with Melissa! Many more people could attend via an online platform so it could make more money! And cost less as a big space would not have to be rented. We could all be safe but educated and happy!
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I’m self employed so vacation is not an option for me. Lisa On Tuesday, May 5, 2020, Melissa Bottrell <melissa.bottrell@...> wrote:
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Re: Remote Learning
Joe P
Hi Melissa
Plan your vacation from work for the time of Complex Weavers Convention, save up some money and go. I was doing this for years, before I hit retirement age. I do the same thing after retirement age as well. Not a new concept.
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Melissa Bottrell <melissa.bottrell@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:56 AM To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> Subject: Re: [weavetech] Remote Learning I would just note that there are those, like me who would LOVE to attend CW but absolutely could not make the schedule work to go to a conference (especially since I had planned on attending the now cancelled CNCH). However, I would absolutely
sign up for even a shortened, modified CW schedule with online approach. I would even be happy to pay a fee to attend asynchronously any recorded courses that I could not fit in an initial schedule for some period of time after the conference. To be able to
attend multiple courses rather than having to pick and choose and only attend what fits in a certain timeframe is certainly a benefit of the recorded and online options.
I absolutely understand the pain of those with poor internet connections, and online teaching is complex at first (I regularly do it), but these are surmountable problems. And the option to bring in those who could not attend CW until they hit retirement
age could be a benefit to the organization more generally.
My 2c
Melissa Bottrell
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Re: Megado 2.2 dobby upgrade
Linda Adamson <adamson.l@...>
I will be interested to hear how you deal with this. I have not tried to do so yet and wary now of trying.
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Re: Complex Weavers
As I said earlier this morning, the Board is discussing what to do with Complexity since the physical exhibition had to be cancelled. No decision has been reached yet. Stay tuned...
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Re: Complex Weavers
Sally O
Are there any plans to launch Complexity as a virtual exhibition?
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Complex Weavers
Mimi Anderson <mimi_anderson@...>
As a number of you have mentioned, Complex Weavers Seminars 2020 has been cancelled due to Covid-19 safety and health concerns and restrictions. We certainly hope that the opportunity for a physical gathering such as we have known and enjoyed will return soon. The new normal is yet to be determined! The concept of remote/virtual presentations, and even gathering for lunch is being suggested and the ideas are exciting. CW would indeed welcome proposals for virtual conferences for members, be it full scope, like Seminars, or smaller, like we have several Regional Gatherings. Ideas and suggestions are great. Resources and manpower are crucial. Complex Weavers is a fully volunteer organization, and both welcomes, and requires participation from our members. Contact information is on our website www.complex-weavers.org Mimi Anderson, President Complex Weavers |
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Megado 2.2 dobby upgrade
Karen Donde
Hi,
Is anyone else having problems connecting their Megado dobby 2.0 to their internet in order to receive the 2.2 upgrade. I have spoken to Dave and tried doing it via wireless method, with the dobby right next to my wifi source. It will reboot but only to the old IP address. I also went out a bought a new ethernet cable to connect the dobby directly to my router. It won’t even reboot. I have ATT internet and Dave said it may be an internal firewall. Has anyone found a solution other than hooking into a neighbor’s router with different ISP. Neighbors are not too wild about letting me or my things into their houses right now. Dave said the USB device option won’t work on my version of the dobby. And only other option is shipping the dobby back to him. Appreciate any other suggestions or solutions people may have found. Thanks, Karen |
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Re: Remote Learning
Melissa Bottrell
I would just note that there are those, like me who would LOVE to attend CW but absolutely could not make the schedule work to go to a conference (especially since I had planned on attending the now cancelled CNCH). However, I would absolutely sign up for even a shortened, modified CW schedule with online approach. I would even be happy to pay a fee to attend asynchronously any recorded courses that I could not fit in an initial schedule for some period of time after the conference. To be able to attend multiple courses rather than having to pick and choose and only attend what fits in a certain timeframe is certainly a benefit of the recorded and online options. I absolutely understand the pain of those with poor internet connections, and online teaching is complex at first (I regularly do it), but these are surmountable problems. And the option to bring in those who could not attend CW until they hit retirement age could be a benefit to the organization more generally. My 2c Melissa Bottrell |
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Re: A question Amy
Thanks, Amy, for updating us on the status of the organization. I wanted to add my note to this thread that I'm happy to present my PowerPoint and handouts in some version of an online workshop for this summer -- even to the point of suggesting that participants at home gather a few supplies beforehand to take part in a tutorial.
Thanks for a worthwhile and I hope fruitful exchange! Even if we don't establish an online platform for this summer, it is definitely in the cards for the future. I do recall that Stacey Harvey-Brown was slated to teach at Seminars a while back and could not make it, so she set up a virtual workshop and wrote about it afterwards in CWJ. All the best, Denise Kovnat www.denisekovnat.com |
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Re: A question Amy
Yes, it will! As Sara noted, we were able to avoid a huge loss when we had to cancel Seminars because the Hilton, Knoxville, graciously let us out of our contract. Other expenditures to date on Seminars 2020 were relatively minor and can be absorbed by the organization. A number of generous members who were planning to attend Seminars this summer have donated part or all of the refund that is coming to them which is also offsetting the expenditures to date. So, cancelling Seminars is not threatening the long term viability of Complex Weavers. The Board is still working through the challenges of how to handle the Complexity Show which won't be physically held in Knoxville. Again, the kind donations will help offset the out-of-pocket expenses already incurred for Complexity. As for ongoing activities, there is a dedicated group of volunteers that make Complex Weavers run. None of us are paid. So, while the pandemic has certainly thrown a massive wrench in the normal workings of Complex Weavers, the Board, Seminars co-chairs and Complexity chair are rising to the occasion, making tough decisions and working through the ramifications one by one. Amy On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:29 AM Joe P <rugsbyjoe@...> wrote:
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Re: Remote Learning
Linda Schultz
I think sometimes I forget that Complex Weavers is completely volunteer run, when compared to HGA/Convergence.
I watched the alacrity with which my daughters' classes were switched to online only by teachers with no experience in doing so, and my husband switching to telemedicine, again with no experience in doing so, and so my perception was that this was relatively easy. In my ignorance, I did not realize that this was not the case. I better shut up about it. :-) |
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A question Amy
Joe P
Hi Amy
My question. Will Complex Weavers survive?
Keep Weaving
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.
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Re: Remote Learning
I am replying to Linda's email out of convenience, but this is not directed to you specifically, Linda, but to all participating in this discussion regarding a virtual/online version of Complex Weaver Seminars. Before the issue of cost is even considered, the biggest obstacle is the learning curve and amount of effort involved in inventing, from scratch, something that no one in the CW organization has done before. So, anyone who is seriously interested in planning an online version of Seminars, please -- do the research and put together a proposal for the Board to consider. Please. And thank you. Amy Norris Registrar, CW Seminars 2020 and Complex Weavers Membership and Merchandise I would certainly be in favour of trying to offer an online version of the Seminars. Even if not all of the presenters are able to participate, I'm guessing that quite of few of them could adapt their program to an online version. They've already put in a lot of the necessary work, just pulling their program together. |
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Re: Remote Learning
The money saved by not having to pay transportations costs for the instructors could pay for the platform and other services needed to make this work.Ahem, slight correction —the instructors are not reimbursed for transportation. CW would save some hotel fees which are reimbursed proportionate to seminars taught. Marg Sent from iDevice coeweaves.com e-weave-online.thinkific.com |
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Re: Remote Learning
Linda Schultz
I would certainly be in favour of trying to offer an online version of the Seminars. Even if not all of the presenters are able to participate, I'm guessing that quite of few of them could adapt their program to an online version. They've already put in a lot of the necessary work, just pulling their program together.
More people could attend each class, than are able to do so in person. There may be an option to access seminars which were going to be offered at the same time. I would be willing to pay the same fee as I was going to pay anyways (less the meals and other related fees). And the instructors also could be paid the same fee. The money saved by not having to pay transportations costs for the instructors could pay for the platform and other services needed to make this work. |
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Re: Remote Learning
Sara von Tresckow
Apparently CW did NOT take a big hit cancelling the conference. If an online
substitute would be considered, I'd think it more than fair and in keeping with the organization to charge those who "attend" same as they would for a live conference - spend the money on a high quality virtual platform and compensate the instructors as usual. Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI sarav@... Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough” http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning needs |
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Re: Remote Learning
Thank you Tien. I will research this with CREEC and keep everyone informed.
Sara, yes indeed, free doesn't seem professional, but I thought the concept was raising funds for CW. To that end costs for CW to mount an online equivalent of seminars, and offer to participants, could be considerable, and there'd a huge learning curve for the organizers as well as some of the presenters. Marg Sent from iDevice coeweaves.com e-weave-online.thinkific.com |
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Re: Remote Learning
Sara von Tresckow
Marg,
Understood that there are things that need to be resolved, but in the case of CW - it is a conference that has a conference fee - that fee structure could easily be applied to using one of the "not free" video possibilities, such as one with ability to help with the closed captioning, production quality, etc. I would have received compensation for my seminar presentation, I would also expect compensation and a professional environment (like a hotel conference room) for any online presentations. Trying to do this via "free online opportunities" just smells cheap from the start. Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI sarav@... Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough” http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning needs |
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Re: Remote Learning
Tien Chiu
With all due respect, Marg, the ADA does not apply to all nonprofits, and I don't think CW would be legally required to do this. (This is separate from whether it would be the morally right thing to do.) Section III of the ADA, which is the part that would apply to most nonprofits, requires that private entities that are places of public accommodation follow the ADA requirements. This includes private schools (which is why places like MIT and Harvard need to do this for their online courses), but CW is not a private school. Section 504 of the legal code, which has requirements similar to the ADA, applies to nonprofits that get federal funding, but again, I don't think that applies to CW (someone correct me if I'm wrong). So I don't think this would be a legal requirement for CW. See: https://cct.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/2015ADAComplianceGuide.pdf , among other sources. Mind you: I think this would be the right thing to do (and I include closed-captioning, alt-text, and downloadable transcripts in my own courses because I think it's the right thing to do), but I don't think it is legally required. Tien |
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Re: Remote Learning
Patricia and Sarah
There are two issues, presenters creating a video, and ”live” presentations in a meeting format. As stated before I have online courses. These do take a lot of time to develop so that the audio, visual, and closed captioning are of quality and synced. There are numerous platforms for live presentations, online learning, but the platforms addressing the needs of organizations are not free. I did speculate the possibility with a CWS member and have been researching them. Some issues are: the number of attendees at any one session; platforms; services; and costs. Larger educational organizations provide their own platforms or contract with third party services. Smaller groups may use one of the free services, such as Zoom or Google Hangout. Each has problems. Zoom would require CW to contract with a third party for closed captioning of each presentation. Google Hangout requires everyone to be using Chrome. Google Meets requires a monthly fee (and possibly from each user). Microsoft Teams is related to Skype. Team's has gone through recent changes, as have most of the online meeting services. I'm still exploring their requirements, but it looks like participants are required to install Team's Desktop, and it's not certain that it's free. ADA applies to non-profits. Teachers who participate, or the organization, would have to be sure that visuals are accompanied with alt-text, and audio is closed captioned. In other words, there might well be again as much work for the organization as for in person Seminars, as well as for the presenters. Marg Sent from iDevice coeweaves.com e-weave-online.thinkific.com |
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