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Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone and Lousie.

I did not get you post with the picture. 

Later tonight, I am going to try and post a couple of pictures with the apple tablet. Will be first pictures I ever posted. Part of computer class homework 1 step from learning how to use Zoom. 

When I was a manager of a Singer Sewing Store, we are going back some years. We sold Gutermann thread made in Germany it is the best thread. 

Looking forward to seeing your project.

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.

   


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Louise Yale via groups.io <cafeina@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 3:15 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] The wave stick project - completion update
 
Technical question re: sending photos to weavetech.

Sent a photo to the email address for weavetech on the smart phone. The
photo seems to have appeared on my smart phone but not on the laptop.

Is anyone else receiving the photo?
Thanks.
Louise



> Thanks for reporting back, Louise.
>
> If you have a chance to take a photo and post a photo, that would be
> interesting.
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> Sally
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Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

bigwhitesofadog
 

Joe is right that friction from a cord is used for both live weight
tension and a friction brake. They are not the same. A friction
brake has a set attachment of the cord on the loom frame. When the
warp is advanced, this attachment must be detached to allow the warp
to move. The usual routine is to release the brake, advance the warp,
reset the brake. Some looms have an additional step to release
tension on the warp before releasing the brake. With live weight,
there is no attachment of the friction cord to the loom frame, and no
release. The cord is attached to a weight, which can move up and
down. As you wind cloth on the cloth beam, the weight moves up,
tension is lessened, and warp is released. So all you do weaving is
wind on cloth as it forms. The reason for using a live weight is that
it weaving is much faster, since you don't have to stop to release and
reset the brake.
Sandra


Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Louise Yale
 

Technical question re: sending photos to weavetech.

Sent a photo to the email address for weavetech on the smart phone. The
photo seems to have appeared on my smart phone but not on the laptop.

Is anyone else receiving the photo?
Thanks.
Louise

Thanks for reporting back, Louise.

If you have a chance to take a photo and post a photo, that would be
interesting.

Sally






Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Silvia Leidig, MSW
 

Thank you. Glad to hear it works. Looking forward to seeing picts of your work.
Silvia

On Jun 15, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Louise Yale via groups.io <cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

Gutermann brand
amazon vendor Junipers

Louise



What is the name/brand/vendor of the thread? I so miss the YLI one.
Thanks for any information.
Silvia
On Jun 15, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Louise Yale via groups.io
<cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

 Hi again
Ordered the fusible thread on amazon. The vendor sent a package
containing neon orange air brush paint!!
Contacted the vendor and they sent the correct fusible thread.

The fusible thread is made in Germany.

Wove a short scarf with some Jagger spun wool warp.

The weft was hand dyed, hand spun milkweed and wool singles wound onto a
bobbin with the fusible thread.

The completed weaving was sandwiched between 2 layers of baking parchment
and steamed with a heavy iron for one minute.

The fusible thread does hold the narrow waves in place. The wider waves
(the opposite side of the stick) were not as visible.

Used various combinations of the wave stick and plain weaving. There was
some draw-in with some of the wave patterns.

This is not a sturdy scarf but the wave pattern does stay in place.

With the wave stick, the usual rhythm of weaving was different.

The wave stick is being retired. The tiger striped wood and the shape are
beautiful as a sculptural piece.

Louise in Northern California

















Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Louise Yale
 

Gutermann brand
amazon vendor Junipers

Louise

What is the name/brand/vendor of the thread? I so miss the YLI one.
Thanks for any information.
Silvia
On Jun 15, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Louise Yale via groups.io
<cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

 Hi again
Ordered the fusible thread on amazon. The vendor sent a package
containing neon orange air brush paint!!
Contacted the vendor and they sent the correct fusible thread.

The fusible thread is made in Germany.

Wove a short scarf with some Jagger spun wool warp.

The weft was hand dyed, hand spun milkweed and wool singles wound onto a
bobbin with the fusible thread.

The completed weaving was sandwiched between 2 layers of baking parchment
and steamed with a heavy iron for one minute.

The fusible thread does hold the narrow waves in place. The wider waves
(the opposite side of the stick) were not as visible.

Used various combinations of the wave stick and plain weaving. There was
some draw-in with some of the wave patterns.

This is not a sturdy scarf but the wave pattern does stay in place.

With the wave stick, the usual rhythm of weaving was different.

The wave stick is being retired. The tiger striped wood and the shape are
beautiful as a sculptural piece.

Louise in Northern California

















Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Louise Yale
 

Took photos on and off the loom after steaming.

How do I post to the group? I am new to smart phones. Have an LG.
Louise

Thanks for reporting back, Louise.

If you have a chance to take a photo and post a photo, that would be
interesting.

Sally






Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Sally O
 

Thanks for reporting back, Louise.

If you have a chance to take a photo and post a photo, that would be interesting.

Sally


Re: The wave stick project - completion update

Silvia Leidig, MSW
 

What is the name/brand/vendor of the thread? I so miss the YLI one.
Thanks for any information.
Silvia

On Jun 15, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Louise Yale via groups.io <cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

 Hi again
Ordered the fusible thread on amazon. The vendor sent a package
containing neon orange air brush paint!!
Contacted the vendor and they sent the correct fusible thread.

The fusible thread is made in Germany.

Wove a short scarf with some Jagger spun wool warp.

The weft was hand dyed, hand spun milkweed and wool singles wound onto a
bobbin with the fusible thread.

The completed weaving was sandwiched between 2 layers of baking parchment
and steamed with a heavy iron for one minute.

The fusible thread does hold the narrow waves in place. The wider waves
(the opposite side of the stick) were not as visible.

Used various combinations of the wave stick and plain weaving. There was
some draw-in with some of the wave patterns.

This is not a sturdy scarf but the wave pattern does stay in place.

With the wave stick, the usual rhythm of weaving was different.

The wave stick is being retired. The tiger striped wood and the shape are
beautiful as a sculptural piece.

Louise in Northern California


The wave stick project - completion update

Louise Yale
 

Hi again
Ordered the fusible thread on amazon. The vendor sent a package
containing neon orange air brush paint!!
Contacted the vendor and they sent the correct fusible thread.

The fusible thread is made in Germany.

Wove a short scarf with some Jagger spun wool warp.

The weft was hand dyed, hand spun milkweed and wool singles wound onto a
bobbin with the fusible thread.

The completed weaving was sandwiched between 2 layers of baking parchment
and steamed with a heavy iron for one minute.

The fusible thread does hold the narrow waves in place. The wider waves
(the opposite side of the stick) were not as visible.

Used various combinations of the wave stick and plain weaving. There was
some draw-in with some of the wave patterns.

This is not a sturdy scarf but the wave pattern does stay in place.

With the wave stick, the usual rhythm of weaving was different.

The wave stick is being retired. The tiger striped wood and the shape are
beautiful as a sculptural piece.

Louise in Northern California


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Jan in Seattle
 

For AVL V-series looms you actually have a choice: locking brake or dynamic (live weight) braking system. 

Jan in Seattle


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Paula Becker
 

The reason I've heard for using live tension is to prevent the warp beam from possibly snapping forward when tension is released on the cloth beam.


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone 

Yes, I know the difference between a "warping trapeze" and a "live tension" or "friction brake" My question had nothing to do with a warp trapeze.  

There is not any difference between a live tension and a friction brake. A cable is used or a rope spring and a wing nut to add more pull on the spring to stop the rope or cable form slipping to keep the warp beam from turning. To give tension. It is also the same idea for the AVL loom The cloth beam still has a rachet, that has to be used, to advance the warp. The design might be different but, the priceable is the same. 
 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.  

 
     


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Diane via groups.io <tdpigg@...>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 11:49 AM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom
 
They are 2 separate things.  The trapeze is a warping aid that helps with winding on a warp with even tension.

The live tension weight system is used to add resistance to the warp beam during weaving, INSTEAD OF the friction or ratchet brake that is normally on the warp beam.

Diane


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Diane
 

They are 2 separate things.  The trapeze is a warping aid that helps with winding on a warp with even tension.

The live tension weight system is used to add resistance to the warp beam during weaving, INSTEAD OF the friction or ratchet brake that is normally on the warp beam.

Diane


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Diane
 

Here's a blog post by Tien Chiu that describes live tension with pictures - https://www.tienchiu.com/2009/05/live-weight-warp-tensioning-system/

It's something I've been meaning to try - maybe this summer I'll actually do it!

By the way, my AVL V-series does not use live tension - it has a friction brake.

Diane


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone 

I have a question. (What is the difference between a live tension and a friction break) ? 

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A. 


From: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io> on behalf of Rob via groups.io <Speyerdom@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 8:36 PM
To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom
 
This is really interesting - picks like pixels 80> lines per inch.  But I am at lost to find it’s relationship with two boards and a bar extending up away past the warp beam to the rear. There clusters of warp ends with weights tied to ‘em dangle about providing much needed tension so to wind on.   Not a solenoid to the soul!
> On Jun 13, 2021, at 3:59 PM, margcoe <coe@...> wrote:
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> Hi Rob
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> AVL Looms, until the recent K Loom, are mostly Jack looms and have live tensioning on the warp beam. The K loom is different. It is countermarch with warp beam and automatic tension built in. The warp beam tension is set online and WIFI is used to connect to the loom. Then each time the shed changes the warp moves forward for the number of picks per inch set.
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> coeweaves.com
> e-weave-online.thinkific.com
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Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Rob
 

This is really interesting - picks like pixels 80> lines per inch. But I am at lost to find it’s relationship with two boards and a bar extending up away past the warp beam to the rear. There clusters of warp ends with weights tied to ‘em dangle about providing much needed tension so to wind on. Not a solenoid to the soul!

On Jun 13, 2021, at 3:59 PM, margcoe <coe@coeweaves.com> wrote:

Hi Rob

AVL Looms, until the recent K Loom, are mostly Jack looms and have live tensioning on the warp beam. The K loom is different. It is countermarch with warp beam and automatic tension built in. The warp beam tension is set online and WIFI is used to connect to the loom. Then each time the shed changes the warp moves forward for the number of picks per inch set.

Marg


Marg Coe
coeweaves.com
e-weave-online.thinkific.com








Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

margcoe
 

Hi Rob

AVL Looms, until the recent K Loom, are mostly Jack looms and have live tensioning on the warp beam. The K loom is different. It is countermarch with warp beam and automatic tension built in. The warp beam tension is set online and WIFI is used to connect to the loom. Then each time the shed changes the warp moves forward for the number of picks per inch set.

Marg


Marg Coe
coeweaves.com
e-weave-online.thinkific.com


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Linda Schultz
 

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 08:53 AM, Rob wrote:
However, I’ve never seen this mentioned in any book regarding jack looms.
Hi Rob, I wouldn't read too much into that. I've used (something like) a trapeze for dressing jack looms, and warping both back-to-front and front-to-back. It works fine for a variety of looms/methods.

Linda


Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

nancy
 

i old woman/nancy have done this with jack loom by standing my sixfoot ladder next to loom.  not elegant, but workable

/s/nancy biggins

On 6/13/2021 8:53 AM, Rob via groups.io wrote:
I have your book Katie.  I know Tom Knisley and your book discuss the trapeze.  However, I’ve never seen this mentioned in any book regarding jack looms.  Is there a reason for this or perhaps I’m reading the wrong books.  

Rob


On Jun 13, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Kati Meek <krmeek@...> wrote:

Thank you Marg for mentioning the book!
I was negligent in failing to say the 3rd edition of Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom is now available from Vav Stuga, www.vavstuga.com 
Treadle with Joy, Kati

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Re: Live tension: Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom

Rob
 

I have your book Katie.  I know Tom Knisley and your book discuss the trapeze.  However, I’ve never seen this mentioned in any book regarding jack looms.  Is there a reason for this or perhaps I’m reading the wrong books.  

Rob


On Jun 13, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Kati Meek <krmeek@...> wrote:

Thank you Marg for mentioning the book!
I was negligent in failing to say the 3rd edition of Warp with a Trapeze and Dance with your Loom is now available from Vav Stuga, www.vavstuga.com 
Treadle with Joy, Kati

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