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Re: Digest Number 178

Alison Daykin <quillan_weaver@...>
 

I would be very interested to browse Ralph Griswold's
web site. Can you give me the address please.

Alison
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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. overhead beaters/ names of coupers
From: peter collingwood
<peter@plysplit.demon.co.uk>
2. Re: overhead beaters/ names of coupers
From: Joanne Hall <jah@montana.com>
3. Re: M.C. Escher
From: Brucie Connell <bruciec@trib.com>
4. 8/4 cotton warp source
From: "Leslie Voiers" <voiers@monad.net>
5. jacquard book
From: "Leslie Voiers" <voiers@monad.net>
6. Re: Asheda
From: Kerstin Froberg
<kerstin.froberg@swipnet.se>
7. What is "winweave"?
From: "Dana Garcia"
<dana_roland@hotmail.com>
8. Re: 8/4 cotton warp source
From: ben barnard
<bengoodwater@yahoo.com>
9. Terminology
From: "Su Butler" <apbutler@ync.net>
10. new website
From: Joan Swift <joanes@efn.org>
11. 2 nice looms for sale
From: Kate Bell <potosi52@yahoo.com>
12. Re: 8/4 cotton warp source
From: "Margaret Thorson"
<thousandflower@rockisland.com>
13. Re: 8/4 cotton warp source
From: Ruth Blau <ruthblau@home.com>
14. Rogue CD on eBay
From: Ruth Blau <ruthblau@home.com>
15. Re: Rogue CD on eBay
From: "Bill Koepp" <bgkoe@ncinternet.net>
16. Re: What is "winweave"?
From: Josephine R L Earl <JoOwl@att.net>


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:49:54 +0000
From: peter collingwood
<peter@plysplit.demon.co.uk>
Subject: overhead beaters/ names of coupers


I have never found you have to push an overhead
beater much before
throwing shuttle.
Throw shuttle, curve weft, BEAT.
While you are picking up next shuttle or unwinding
weft from present
shuttle, the beater naturally swings backwards,
forwards, backwards like
a pendulum.
You are now ready for next pick and the
shuttle-catching hand only has
to keep the beater in that backward position, for
the next throw.

So the pendulum swing of the beater fits in with the
weaving process. It
regulates the timing of your movements so helps
evenness of the work. Of
course it takes a really heavy beater to give this
slow rhythm.
This may make the weaver feel he is just part of a
clockwork mechanism,
but then the actual physical process of much weaving
is repetitive and
mechanical.

AS to names of the shaft-suspending levers in a CM
loom, back in 1976 I
wrote an article, 'Weavers Words', which gave the
names used by weavers
for loom parts and processes, gleaned from textbooks
going back to 1800.
The idea was to show the range of names used and how
almost every one
was now different.
I quote "The shafts were hung by cords from levers
above, called jacks,
coupers or tumblers. These were housed in a box-like
frame called the
top castle, heddle bearer or jack ladder, which
rested on the upper side
rails of the loom or capes. Some weavers called the
levers and the frame
the kick-up".
This was in the "Quarterly Journal of the
Association of Guilds of
Weavers, Spinners and Dyers", Number 94 for Summer
1976; a magazine
which is still very much alive and always improving.

peter collingwood,

http://www.petercollingwood.co.uk



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:30:36 -0700
From: Joanne Hall <jah@montana.com>
Subject: Re: overhead beaters/ names of coupers

Thank you again Peter for your help.
We are so fortunate to have you here. And since
we in the US often call
those countermarch "teeter-totter" parts jacks, it
is good to know that the
name came from someplace.

And I have woven with a hanging beater on
different sized looms from
different companies, and I much prefer the hanging
beater. Not only have I
had shoulder problems from a session of weaving with
a lower beater, I
appreciate the hanging beater's characteristic of
being easy to use, even when
it is extremely heavy, such as it is on my 100 inch
loom. Thanks for the
clear explanation of weaving with one.
Joanne

peter collingwood wrote:

I have never found you have to push an overhead
beater much before
throwing shuttle.
Throw shuttle, curve weft, BEAT.
While you are picking up next shuttle or unwinding
weft from present
shuttle, the beater naturally swings backwards,
forwards, backwards like
a pendulum.
You are now ready for next pick and the
shuttle-catching hand only has
to keep the beater in that backward position, for
the next throw.

So the pendulum swing of the beater fits in with
the weaving process. It
regulates the timing of your movements so helps
evenness of the work. Of
course it takes a really heavy beater to give this
slow rhythm.
This may make the weaver feel he is just part of a
clockwork mechanism,
but then the actual physical process of much
weaving is repetitive and
mechanical.

AS to names of the shaft-suspending levers in a CM
loom, back in 1976 I
wrote an article, 'Weavers Words', which gave the
names used by weavers
for loom parts and processes, gleaned from
textbooks going back to 1800.
The idea was to show the range of names used and
how almost every one
was now different.
I quote "The shafts were hung by cords from
levers above, called jacks,
coupers or tumblers. These were housed in a
box-like frame called the
top castle, heddle bearer or jack ladder, which
rested on the upper side
rails of the loom or capes. Some weavers called
the levers and the frame
the kick-up".
This was in the "Quarterly Journal of the
Association of Guilds of
Weavers, Spinners and Dyers", Number 94 for Summer
1976; a magazine
which is still very much alive and always
improving.

peter collingwood,
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Re: jacquard book

Bill Koepp <bgkoe@...>
 

Please keep all posts regarding jacquard and jacquard books on the
list, not private!!!
Hmmmm...I have a book: " Jacquard Mechanism and Harness Mounting " by Fred
Bradbury, 1912, hardback, 355 pages, no ISBN number.
It starts with a chapter on Drawlooms, the proceeds through the different
Jacquards:

Simgle Lift Jacquard
Double Lift Jacquard
Cross Border Jacquard
Twilling Jacquard
Gauze or leno Jacquard
Special Types of Jacquards

It's not for sale, but I could be tempted by the thought of a trade for an
really nice old handshuttle for my collection !

Happy Shuttling ! - Bill Koepp in Central California


Re: CD-ROM of weaving books

Marge Coe <MargeCoe@...>
 

a CD-ROM of many of the copyright-free books on
his web site to Complex Weavers and copies have
been made for sale.
So, the question is--is the rogue CD being offered on ebay coming from a CW
member or what?

Margaret
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Tucson, AZ USA
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COM1 port dilemma lesson

Robyn Spady <Robyn@...>
 

Hello All!

I learned an important lesson today and wanted to share it . . . and
hopefully save at least one person frustration and time.

I recently moved and had to go through the effort of partially disassembling
my AVL. After reassembling and reconnecting everything, fired up Fiberworks
PCW and when I went to re-establish communication between my loom and my
computer, I kept getting an error message "COM1 is not configuring
properly." (Or something like that) After about an hour of frustration, I
called Fiberworks to see if they could lend some assistance . . . on a
Saturday too! The phone was answered and we went through a number of
exercises. They took my name and number and told me they wanted to look
further into the problem. I was called back in less than hour. After a
great deal of troubleshooting, we found out that my Palm Pilot software had
over-ridden the COM1 port and wouldn't let Fiberworks talk with my loom . .
. Once the setting on the Palm software was changed, everything worked like
normal.

Anyone planning on getting a Palm Pilot to organize their lives (a possible
New Year's resolution?), make sure the Palm Pilot set-up is NOT set to load
during start-up . . . It seems to occupy the port and won't allow additional
communication with other applications.

Thank you Fiberworks for your assistance and patience!

Robyn Spady
robyn@bacchusfiberdesigns.com


Re: 8/4 cotton warp source

Janet Yang <jyang949@...>
 

From Lorelei at Heritage Arts:

The only Maysville we've ever been able to get in bulk is the
natural color. All the rest are always put up on 8 oz. spools. They do
give a price break if you buy 50 lbs of one color.

Lorelei

Heritage Arts
PO Box 250
Grandview, Texas 76050
(817) 866-2772

Home of the Fiberholic's Fiberfrolic
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CD-ROM of weaving books

Marjie Thompson
 

Ralph Griswold has very generously donated a CD-ROM of many of the
copyright-free books on his web site to Complex Weavers and copies have been
made for sale. Check the latest CW Journal [out very soon] for more
information or email me at marjie@maine.rr.com .

Marjie Thompson


Re: What is "winweave"?

Josephine R L Earl <JoOwl@...>
 

Dana, it is software, and a nice introduction, though you will eventually want to move on to something more powerful . You can download it at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/bdkeister/winweave.html

At 13:34 01/19/2002, you wrote:
Cathy recently posted about her photo's (great!) but also mentioned
"winweave". Is that a method, or software?
Blessings,


Jo/Josephine/JoOwl

Balancing between Occam's Razor and Murphy's Law...


Rogue CD on eBay

Ruth Blau <ruthblau@...>
 

Ralph Griswold, who maintains a wonderful & valuable website where you can read and/or download the full texts of no-longer copyrighted weaving books, has included the following information in his latest notification of new additions to the website. It is reprinted here with his permission

Ruth
=======================================

Several persons have pointed out to me that a CD-ROM of old weaving books
that have been taken from my On-Line Archive of Weaving Documents is
being offered (in multiple copies) on eBay.


It is not illegal to do this. The material is in the public domain and
is freely available for anyone to use as they wish. It does seem to me
to be unethical to offer it in this way. While a CD-ROM may have some
value for the packaging, it costs very little to produce in multiple
copies. Offering it to potential buyers who do not realize they can access
the material on the Web for nothing seems to me to be sleazy at best.


I don't intend to do anything about this, although I have sent an e-mail
message to the seller.


Re: 8/4 cotton warp source

Ruth Blau <ruthblau@...>
 

Does anyone know where one can obtain large packages of 8/4 cotton warp
arn - (Maysville) I can only find it available only in 800 yard spools and
need to get it in much larger packages like 5-10 lb cones
A few years ago, I bought four or five 5-lb cones of 8/4 cotton carpet warp as a mill end from Webs. They no longer have any from that shipment. I have asked Art to let me know if something like that ever comes along again. I use a lot of this weight yarn in rag weaving to make bags and would dearly love to have a source of 5-10 lb cones. I've tried tracing what appears to me to be the mfg on the label on the inside of the large cones I got from Webs, but came up dry.

Leslie's right: there has to be some source that Maysville gets theirs from. Doesn't anyone know who that might be?

Ruth


Re: 8/4 cotton warp source

Margaret Thorson <thousandflower@...>
 

I'd like to know too so please send any information to the list.

Margaret in the San Juan Islands

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From: "Leslie Voiers" <voiers@monad.net>

Does anyone know where one can obtain large packages of 8/4 cotton warp
arn - (Maysville) I can only find it available only in 800 yard spools and
need to get it in much larger packages like 5-10 lb cones - I can't imagine
that the 800 yard tubes is the only format. That surely the original
producer initially packages into larger cones before being put up in the 800
yard tube format. Currently we get it from Edgemont Yarn Services -
Maysville, KY. But that's as far as I can get. Any ideas?


2 nice looms for sale

Kate Bell <potosi52@...>
 

40" Macomber with double back beams, friction brake,
Glimakra bench.
24" Singer dobby, fully restored antique.
Please email me privately off-list, potosi52@yahoo.com

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new website

Joan Swift <joanes@...>
 

Su Butler's new website is exquisite: www.subudesigns.com


Terminology

Su Butler <apbutler@...>
 

Thanks Peter, for setting the record straight on loom terminology.......so
much depends on all of us having a good working understanding of the terms
we use, particularly in this email environment......I now understand that
the term I have been using, Jacks, is appropriate, although coupers is also
acceptable.
Thank you!

Su Butler :-) www.subudesigns.com
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events should happen as they do, and you shall have peace." - Epictetus


Re: 8/4 cotton warp source

ben barnard <bengoodwater@...>
 

I bought large quanities of 8/4 cotton at a good price
from R&M Yarns in Georgia. They are on the internet.
Beb Barnard

--- Leslie Voiers <voiers@monad.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where one can obtain large packages
of 8/4 cotton warp
arn - (Maysville) I can only find it available only
in 800 yard spools and
need to get it in much larger packages like 5-10 lb
cones - I can't imagine
that the 800 yard tubes is the only format. That
surely the original
producer initially packages into larger cones before
being put up in the 800
yard tube format. Currently we get it from Edgemont
Yarn Services -
Maysville, KY. But that's as far as I can get. Any
ideas? Feel free to email
me privately at leslie@voiers.com.

Leslie



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What is "winweave"?

Dana Garcia <dana_roland@...>
 

Hello all,
Cathy recently posted about her photo's (great!) but also mentioned "winweave". Is that a method, or software? I am thinking about getting some sort of weaving program, not necessarily to connect to the loom, but to aid with drawdowns etc. I am very new to using the computer, let alone using it to help with weaving. But it does seem like it could be an incredible time saver. Any suggestions would be appriciated.

Dana in California

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jacquard book

Leslie Voiers <voiers@...>
 

Does anyone know if the book on Jacquard weaving that was written by Louise
Berube from Montreal Canada is available in English. I saw a copy of it
while in Germany and it looks good. But I misplaced my notes regarding title
and publisher. Ingrid, I'm looking forward to reading your posts regarding
the 2 week class about Jacquard with Louise Berube.
Leslie - you may email me privately at leslie@voiers.com


8/4 cotton warp source

Leslie Voiers <voiers@...>
 

Does anyone know where one can obtain large packages of 8/4 cotton warp
arn - (Maysville) I can only find it available only in 800 yard spools and
need to get it in much larger packages like 5-10 lb cones - I can't imagine
that the 800 yard tubes is the only format. That surely the original
producer initially packages into larger cones before being put up in the 800
yard tube format. Currently we get it from Edgemont Yarn Services -
Maysville, KY. But that's as far as I can get. Any ideas? Feel free to email
me privately at leslie@voiers.com.

Leslie


Re: Asheda

Kerstin Froberg <kerstin.froberg@...>
 

Brigitte wrote:

Hi,
who can tell me what means sheda? The first letter is a A with
a circle on
the top, so I think, it must be a Swedish word. I've found it in
a sixty
year old collection of weave patterns.

Brigitte
seda (A with a ring, no h) is a small town in Smland - about 20
mins drive from where I live.

We Swedes have been fond of giving personal names, or village
names, or farm names to weaves who could as easily have been
described with a generic name. A friend of mine has collected
eleven "local" names for Smlandsvv (which in itself is a
"locality" name)! And I don't even know the generic name of it -
opphmta, perhaps?

So, Brigitte - I don't think it "means" anything specific -
except, maybe, the weaver (or the collector of the patterns) was
from seda...

Kerstin from Bergdala (no Bergdala-weave, yet - )


Re: Rogue CD on eBay

Bill Koepp <bgkoe@...>
 

Ugh ! - Ralph does all the research and labor, then someone makes money off
of it ? I'd be really embarrassed to have this CD in my house.

- Bill Koepp in Central California


Re: M.C. Escher

Brucie Connell <bruciec@...>
 

At 12:46 PM 1/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
I suspect you could do some very nice Escher-like designs in summer &
winter.
How about using satin and reverse satin? There would be small dots showing but one could control the floats.