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Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

margcoe
 

With respect, please note that Collingwood’s book is free from Ralph Griswold’s digital archive housed at the University of AZ.  Handweaving net provides an important access to the archive, with a search funcation, but the documents are not “at” HW net.

Marg

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On Oct 18, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Inga Marie Carmel <ingamariecarmel@...> wrote:

Peter Collingwood’s Techniques of Rug Weaving has resources for pretty much anything,  much of which is applicable to weaving that’s not rugs. It has a lot of knots for cut pile, edge finishes, tapestry, etc. it’s available as a free download on handweaving.net. It’s an expensive book so Collingwood was really generous to allow it to be scanned and made available. It’s a pdf in about 3 parts, it’s that big. I found it indispensable when I did the COE. 

marie

Inga Marie Carmel
An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve -  Mies van der Rohe



Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

DR D W Taylor
 

Hi y’all
Sara Lamb teaches cut pile weaving with silk.  Orlo Duker recorded a video with Victorian Videos - now owned by the Yarnbarn of Kansas. I got it on DVD from them a few years ago. 
Peace. D Taylor,  DVM



Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

Inga Marie Carmel
 

Peter Collingwood’s Techniques of Rug Weaving has resources for pretty much anything,  much of which is applicable to weaving that’s not rugs. It has a lot of knots for cut pile, edge finishes, tapestry, etc. it’s available as a free download on handweaving.net. It’s an expensive book so Collingwood was really generous to allow it to be scanned and made available. It’s a pdf in about 3 parts, it’s that big. I found it indispensable when I did the COE. 

marie

Inga Marie Carmel
An interesting plainness is the most difficult and precious thing to achieve -  Mies van der Rohe



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Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

margcoe
 

Sigrid, yes you can attach pics here if getting to the group site is not working for you.

Marg

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On Oct 17, 2021, at 4:30 PM, sigridpiroch via groups.io <SigridArtsStudio=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dear All,

At one point my whole living room was covered with these rugs. Peter Callingwood has a book that features this technique, his rug book. I was especially lucky, because Peter made me a tool that he used to help cut these rugs. If anyone is interested, my daughter could photograph a rug up close-she is typing this-but don't know that we can attach pics here.

Sigrid at ARTS
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Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

sigridpiroch
 

Dear All,

At one point my whole living room was covered with these rugs. Peter Callingwood has a book that features this technique, his rug book. I was especially lucky, because Peter made me a tool that he used to help cut these rugs. If anyone is interested, my daughter could photograph a rug up close-she is typing this-but don't know that we can attach pics here.

Sigrid at ARTS
l


Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

sklarek2
 

Thank you for the nice description of the Oriental Rug Knotting Technique.
However, I think there is an error......
If you use a 12 dent reed and thread it 1-1-2, then you will have 16 epi, not 20epi. 
So if you have 100 ends, it will be wider than 5" 
If you really want 20 epi, it would be much easier to use a 10 dent reed and put 2 ends in each dent....or is there a reason to have the irregular denting?

Or is there something I am missing/

All the best,
Susan




On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 6:35 PM msthimble1 via groups.io <MsThimble=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Anatcheva,

I spent the past year researching how to weave knotted pile carpets, in preparation for a talk which i presented to Jockey Hollow Weaving Guild, and to the Philadelphia Guild of Handweavers.  I learned from books and YouTube videos.  You might have more success finding information by searching under various names, such as Oriental Knotted rugs, Persian rug, especially on Youtube.

Here are the notes i shared during my presentation.  I learned the most from this woman's Youtube videos, she weaves rugs in a factory setting, she shows how to set up the loom, how to wind the yarn for knotting and hang it from the castle, she demonstrates weaving the header w soumak, show how to make the knots using the hook knife, and how to weave the weft A and B,and make the argatch.

Please note that you will achieve the best results by using stiff, wiry wool singles in order to make the pile stand up nicely.  Also, if you choose to purchase tools from HM Nabavian, note that the tools are not beautifully finished, made of oiled wood and strong stainless steel like we are accustomed to using. The blade of the hook knife cannot be sharpened because the metal is too soft and the wood handle was rough, (I sanded mine before using)  The handle of the beater is hard metal, there are rust spots on the metal, and so on.  We are so fortunate in our country to have tools that are works of art and a pleasure to use, it was fun to do the knotting with the authentic tools, but also very surprising to learn that they arent made to aide the weavers. 


ORIENTAL RUG KNOTTING

WARP-

Fiber: 8/4 cotton rug warp

EPI: 20 Width: 5”

Total number of ends: 100

Reed Size: 12 thread 1-1-2

 

WEFT- A Fiber: tighter twist wool yarn. Fingering or sock yarn

WEFT -B Fiber: loosely twisted thick wool, rug yarn

KNOTS-3 ply of Paternaya tapestry yarn, or I ply sport yarn, stiff wool, Knitting wool is too soft.

Rug weaver's hook-knife and rug weaver's comb from HM Nabavian, 36 East 31st, basement, New York, NY. https://www.hmnabavian.com/rug_repair/miscellaneous/  

 

TO WEAVE WARP PROTECTOR:

With waste yarn, weave to spread warp, equal to length of fringe you want. Insert stiff cardboard that you can beat against.

For warp protector. with weft A, weave 2 picks. Make one row soumak stitch. Weave 1/2” plain weave. Make one row soumak stitch.

 

KNOTTING/WEAVING SEQUENCE:

*With WEFT B, weave one pick, lifting shaft 2 & 4, do not weave first and last pair of warp threads (First and last 2 threads)

With WEFT A, weave one pick, lifting shaft 1 & 3, do not weave first and last pair of warp threads. (First and last 2 threads)

Make Ghiordes knot aka Turkish knots across warp, do not make knots over 4 selvedge threads. Cut yarn leaving approximately 5/8” pile. Use beater to beat and then comb pile down. Comb gently so that fibers are not torn. You have made one knot row.

 

TO MAKE THE ARGATCH- Weave one side of the argatch at a time.  The argatch is made at the opposite selvedge where the A band B wefts exit.  Wrap the 4 selvedge threads with figure 8 configuration, using at  2 ends of tapestry yarn, wound in a tapestry butterfly. Wrap 4-6 times, enclosing weft A and B in the selvedge.  Beat down the wrapped weft firmly.  Wrap the selvedge warps so that the level of the wrap is even with the top of the adjacent knots.

You have made one sequence. Continue weaving, alternating making the argatch on opposite sides.

Begin at * and weave a second row of knots. Comb the fiber. Use cardboard gauge, place behind pile and using very sharp scissors, trim pile to height of gauge. Pile will be 3/8”. Continue to weave two rows of knots and trim pile to 3/8”.

When rug is complete, remove from loom, tie overhand knots in fringe and use an electric shaver to even pile

 

Bibliography

 

Handcrafts Ato Z

Azerbaijan

How to wind yarns for weaving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30bDYrtv21M

How to make knots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNUbNiB4NEI

Begin at 9:03, stop at 10:49

 

Books

Collingwood, Peter, The Techniques of Rug Weaving, Faber and Faber, 1968, 1993, London  pgs 226- 255.

 Lamb, Sarah, Woven Treasures, Interweave Press, 2009,

 McCreary, Carol Fillips, The Traditional Moroccan Loom, It’s Construction and Use, Thresh Publications, 1975, Santa Rosa, CA 

Scott, Gordon W, An Illustrated Guide to Making Oriental Rugs, Pacific Coast Press, 1984, Seattle

 Stone, Peter F., Oriental Rug Repair, Step by Step Reknotting and Reconstruction  ,Care and Preservation, Thames and Hudson, 1981, 2010, New York

 Tattersall, C.E.C., Notes on Carpet Knotting and Weaving, Victoria and Albert Museum, W.S. Cowell, Ltd., 1920, Ipswich, England

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Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

msthimble1
 

Hello Anatcheva,

I missed including the most helpful link!  Here it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9FUMDVrAqw&list=PLnZLAhZAmIuMNHU9i_FYd9ZdAJR11pMFR


Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving Knot Waste

Joe P
 

Hi Everyone & Jennifer 

Years ago, it was not this list it was Rug Talk there was a man, who would post once in a while, I am going back, Maybe about 13 years, or maybe a little longer. He was involved big time in to pile rugs. I remember in one of his posts to the list, he put a link in a post. There were four ladies siting, weaving on a hug rug, their backs were to the camera, the camera zoomed in from behind the ladies to the one of the lady weavers, hands. Those hands moving right along, making the knot and the knife cut the yarn and she kept right on going. The video was not to long I remember watching the video more than once, The weaver never cut/trim the pile, with a scissors in the video. The video the weaver posted to this list is the first time I have seen the use of a scissors trimming the pile. My mistake I am sorry.

Keep Weaving 
Joe Bear in WI U.S.A.               

    


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To: weavetech@groups.io <weavetech@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [weavetech] Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving Knot Waste
 
As I wrote earlier, I wove pile rugs a very long time ago. But these Bedouin women were poor and very thrifty.  They didn’t waste one centimeter of yarn.  They worked off of one long continuous length of yarn, not precut pieces. I don’t remember exactly how but I’ll try to find out. Now I’m intrigued.  I just wish that I could remember. Jennifer


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On Saturday, October 16, 2021, 5:01 PM, Sara von Tresckow <sarav@...> wrote:

I have done two full sized rugs and some smaller pieces. There is NOT all
that much "waste". The process is quite time consuming and the amount of
wool that is cut off in a week or a month is very  small once you learn how
to make good knots. I have always made a row with a small amount of overage
and then trimmed it with a good scissors and it is more like shaving than
cutting.
And I am beginning to wonder just why all the resources, except for the ones
that I have listed are from Western weavers with no experience with those
who weave traditional carpets.

Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs








Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

msthimble1
 

Hello Anatcheva,

I spent the past year researching how to weave knotted pile carpets, in preparation for a talk which i presented to Jockey Hollow Weaving Guild, and to the Philadelphia Guild of Handweavers.  I learned from books and YouTube videos.  You might have more success finding information by searching under various names, such as Oriental Knotted rugs, Persian rug, especially on Youtube.

Here are the notes i shared during my presentation.  I learned the most from this woman's Youtube videos, she weaves rugs in a factory setting, she shows how to set up the loom, how to wind the yarn for knotting and hang it from the castle, she demonstrates weaving the header w soumak, show how to make the knots using the hook knife, and how to weave the weft A and B,and make the argatch.

Please note that you will achieve the best results by using stiff, wiry wool singles in order to make the pile stand up nicely.  Also, if you choose to purchase tools from HM Nabavian, note that the tools are not beautifully finished, made of oiled wood and strong stainless steel like we are accustomed to using. The blade of the hook knife cannot be sharpened because the metal is too soft and the wood handle was rough, (I sanded mine before using)  The handle of the beater is hard metal, there are rust spots on the metal, and so on.  We are so fortunate in our country to have tools that are works of art and a pleasure to use, it was fun to do the knotting with the authentic tools, but also very surprising to learn that they arent made to aide the weavers. 


ORIENTAL RUG KNOTTING

WARP-

Fiber: 8/4 cotton rug warp

EPI: 20 Width: 5”

Total number of ends: 100

Reed Size: 12 thread 1-1-2

 

WEFT- A Fiber: tighter twist wool yarn. Fingering or sock yarn

WEFT -B Fiber: loosely twisted thick wool, rug yarn

KNOTS-3 ply of Paternaya tapestry yarn, or I ply sport yarn, stiff wool, Knitting wool is too soft.

Rug weaver's hook-knife and rug weaver's comb from HM Nabavian, 36 East 31st, basement, New York, NY. https://www.hmnabavian.com/rug_repair/miscellaneous/  

 

TO WEAVE WARP PROTECTOR:

With waste yarn, weave to spread warp, equal to length of fringe you want. Insert stiff cardboard that you can beat against.

For warp protector. with weft A, weave 2 picks. Make one row soumak stitch. Weave 1/2” plain weave. Make one row soumak stitch.

 

KNOTTING/WEAVING SEQUENCE:

*With WEFT B, weave one pick, lifting shaft 2 & 4, do not weave first and last pair of warp threads (First and last 2 threads)

With WEFT A, weave one pick, lifting shaft 1 & 3, do not weave first and last pair of warp threads. (First and last 2 threads)

Make Ghiordes knot aka Turkish knots across warp, do not make knots over 4 selvedge threads. Cut yarn leaving approximately 5/8” pile. Use beater to beat and then comb pile down. Comb gently so that fibers are not torn. You have made one knot row.

 

TO MAKE THE ARGATCH- Weave one side of the argatch at a time.  The argatch is made at the opposite selvedge where the A band B wefts exit.  Wrap the 4 selvedge threads with figure 8 configuration, using at  2 ends of tapestry yarn, wound in a tapestry butterfly. Wrap 4-6 times, enclosing weft A and B in the selvedge.  Beat down the wrapped weft firmly.  Wrap the selvedge warps so that the level of the wrap is even with the top of the adjacent knots.

You have made one sequence. Continue weaving, alternating making the argatch on opposite sides.

Begin at * and weave a second row of knots. Comb the fiber. Use cardboard gauge, place behind pile and using very sharp scissors, trim pile to height of gauge. Pile will be 3/8”. Continue to weave two rows of knots and trim pile to 3/8”.

When rug is complete, remove from loom, tie overhand knots in fringe and use an electric shaver to even pile

 

Bibliography

 

Handcrafts Ato Z

Azerbaijan

How to wind yarns for weaving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30bDYrtv21M

How to make knots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNUbNiB4NEI

Begin at 9:03, stop at 10:49

 

Books

Collingwood, Peter, The Techniques of Rug Weaving, Faber and Faber, 1968, 1993, London  pgs 226- 255.

 Lamb, Sarah, Woven Treasures, Interweave Press, 2009,

 McCreary, Carol Fillips, The Traditional Moroccan Loom, It’s Construction and Use, Thresh Publications, 1975, Santa Rosa, CA 

Scott, Gordon W, An Illustrated Guide to Making Oriental Rugs, Pacific Coast Press, 1984, Seattle

 Stone, Peter F., Oriental Rug Repair, Step by Step Reknotting and Reconstruction  ,Care and Preservation, Thames and Hudson, 1981, 2010, New York

 Tattersall, C.E.C., Notes on Carpet Knotting and Weaving, Victoria and Albert Museum, W.S. Cowell, Ltd., 1920, Ipswich, England

.


Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

Sara von Tresckow
 

Yes, I believe he was in Manhatten some time back and we spent time there -
even bought some lovely handspun rug yarn. Would be a great connection.


Sara von Tresckow, Fond du Lac, WI
sarav@woolgatherers.com
Author of “When a Single Harness Simply Isn’t Enough”
http://www.woolgatherers.com Dutch Master Loom/Spinning Chairs/Öxabäck
Looms, visit us in Fond du Lac or contact us about your weaving/spinning
needs


Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

Denise
 

I know this is in New York City (so it would obviously mean a trip), but this gentleman has been teaching rug-knotting workshops for at least ten years.

 
Denise Kovnat
www.denisekovnat.com



Re: Macomber Looms

Sam & Emily Charlton
 

Only two in the company , one to build ,and one to do paperwork


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:30 AM Sam & Emily Charlton via groups.io <charltonglass=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Just got back from vacation


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 10:01 AM Connie Griffin <connie@...> wrote:
Kathleen,

I needed something from them this summer and it took quite awhile to get a response then, too. They told me they were just slammed with orders and they don’t have many workers. I don’t remember exactly but I think it’s family owned. 

Connie Griffin

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 7:20 AM Louise Yale via groups.io <cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

Do not have an answer to your query but as a Macomber owner, I would  like
to know what you find out.
Hoping all is well for them and the business.
Louise in NorCal




t> Does anyone have any idea what is going on with Macomber?  I've been
> trying for a couple weeks to contact them (phone and online) to order more
> hooks for my looms, but get only a "leave us a message" message, and they
> haven't answered my phone messages OR my email requests.  I'm concerned
> ...
> Thanks --
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Regards,
Connie Griffin


Re: Macomber Looms

Sam & Emily Charlton
 

Just got back from vacation


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 10:01 AM Connie Griffin <connie@...> wrote:
Kathleen,

I needed something from them this summer and it took quite awhile to get a response then, too. They told me they were just slammed with orders and they don’t have many workers. I don’t remember exactly but I think it’s family owned. 

Connie Griffin

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 7:20 AM Louise Yale via groups.io <cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

Do not have an answer to your query but as a Macomber owner, I would  like
to know what you find out.
Hoping all is well for them and the business.
Louise in NorCal




t> Does anyone have any idea what is going on with Macomber?  I've been
> trying for a couple weeks to contact them (phone and online) to order more
> hooks for my looms, but get only a "leave us a message" message, and they
> haven't answered my phone messages OR my email requests.  I'm concerned
> ...
> Thanks --
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Regards,
Connie Griffin


Re: Macomber Looms

Connie Griffin
 

Kathleen,

I needed something from them this summer and it took quite awhile to get a response then, too. They told me they were just slammed with orders and they don’t have many workers. I don’t remember exactly but I think it’s family owned. 

Connie Griffin

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 7:20 AM Louise Yale via groups.io <cafeina=pacific.net@groups.io> wrote:

Do not have an answer to your query but as a Macomber owner, I would  like
to know what you find out.
Hoping all is well for them and the business.
Louise in NorCal




t> Does anyone have any idea what is going on with Macomber?  I've been
> trying for a couple weeks to contact them (phone and online) to order more
> hooks for my looms, but get only a "leave us a message" message, and they
> haven't answered my phone messages OR my email requests.  I'm concerned
> ...
> Thanks --
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Regards,
Connie Griffin


Re: Macomber Looms

Paula Becker
 

Linda said they were experiencing technical difficulties with there internet access and phones. She is working on getting back to everybody who left a message. She said this in one of the Facebook groups.


Re: Macomber Looms

Louise Yale
 

Do not have an answer to your query but as a Macomber owner, I would like
to know what you find out.
Hoping all is well for them and the business.
Louise in NorCal




t> Does anyone have any idea what is going on with Macomber?  I've been

trying for a couple weeks to contact them (phone and online) to order more
hooks for my looms, but get only a "leave us a message" message, and they
haven't answered my phone messages OR my email requests.  I'm concerned
...
Thanks --






Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving

anatcheva
 

Many thanks to everyone for the resources. Once I get back to the states I hope to be able to start a sample putting them to use.

The studio in Kostandovo said that they did offer classes during the summer (it seems that are ad-hoc depending on the weavers availability and student interest). The formal training that the studio offers is 9-months (for potential staff) but speaking to the weavers there was little interest (of the last contingent of 12 students only one completed and stayed on). There is little financial incentive in that the weavers get the national minimum wage (which I found disheartening to hear) but the atmosphere at the studio was warm and very welcoming.


Re: Question: Resources for Cut Pile rug Weaving Knot Waste

anatcheva
 

The weavers of Kostandovo also used a continuous strand; using something like a razor to cut the yarn immediately after tying and then scissors to trim the excess at the row level (they each had a small cardboard box next to them holding multiple balls of yarn).


I did see sacks of trimmings piled up in a storage room (they were fine enough to remind me of wool prepared for tweed yarn).

Below is a video (from AP) showing the process (they are lightening fast).

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