Re: Progressive Satin or Shaded Satin

Deb Mc

Hi folks, I wanted to say thanks to the flood of information regarding my question regarding a search for a citation on "progressive" satin. I need to check further with the source of that term but I'm betting they were referring to shaded satin. I will report back if I hear differently. A couple of comments back to the individuals that replied to my question are below. I've put in the original response message # for reference. Sorry for the slow response. A partially torn rotator cuff in my right arm has definitely slowed me down.

#47418 Sara, thanks, I had enjoyed my classes with Pat Williams and miss her. That is also where I learned about shaded satin. I haven't seen it used outside of the Jacquard loom context although I certainly do use the concept within treadle limitations.

#47419 Marg, I'll go back and check since you mentioned you have focused on 16 shaft weavings in your writing. My particular design challenge is to create something for a 16 shaft loom so I will definitely cast an eye on your book for design hints.

#47422 Alice, thank you for the explanation of the term "inclusive", this makes sense to avoid floats. I'll refer back to you and Bhakti's writing to refresh my memory. You two have given me a lifetime of work in your writings.

#47431 Sara, thanks for the industry reference, after my work with WL Gore and Dupont I totally understand the industrial need to standardize on the mill floor. It always gets down to who is in charge on the floor and how they document things. Once it gets documented it is ready for industry standardization if there is heavy machinery involved. I'll wander thru your IOS CW handout in honor of the industry standards.

#47432 Sandra, I like the idea of "family of related structures". Thank you for expanding further on the use of 8 versus 9-end satins with the # of weft colors, your work is fascinating.

#47438 Kerstin, to me, one has to regard the step of designing and making the decision to use a subset of shaded satins to get your design effect. I don't think one could easily analyze a piece of cloth unless one looked at the entire cloth and understood how the cloth was designed and how the structures relate to each other. And trust me, I have the same problem as you, sometimes in weaving English is a foreign language to me.

#47441 Sara, I was forwarded an interesting slideshare from Bettes covering the 3 ground bindings. The only thing that bothers me is that I cannot find the source or any bibliography citing references but the slideshow is helpful on the basics.

And finally, I did ask the same question on Ravelry in the Warped Weaver forum and Bonnie I. was nice enough to answer with her point of view and I'll partially quote here:

The term "progressive" is sometimes used for drafts that show shading, as in 4/1 satin with 3/2 and 2/3 and 1/4 with 5-end satin. And sometimes it is used when I would say "advancing" because "progressive twill" has been used for "advancing twill". The term "advancing" is relatively recent but it is found in most weaving programs now and has become popular and easier with this software. To further muddy the waters, you can weave a satin liftplan on an advancing threading (use a 6-end advancing twill for 5-end satin) and see shaded colors at the transition areas.

Bonnie, your statement makes me think that perhaps someone somewhere used the term "progressive" satin based on their weaving software usage of the terminology in the dropdown menu.

All in all, I appreciate the conversations and the ability to ask this type of question and get a variety of responses coming from different points of view. Regards Deb Mc

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