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Re: Power Pax ?

Paul O
 

Terry, I just tested my PowerPax.

During a ‘read Address’ my program track was about 20 volts AC. (Digital and analog voltmeter)

 

A couple of things:

n  Check that the power supply is supplying the rated voltage.

n  Is there the possibility that your program track may have gotten shorted to the main track.

The manual says that will damage the PowerPax.

 

Paul O

 

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of terryintexas7@...
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:47 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Power Pax ?

 

I hooked the meter to the booster wires on the programming track and set it for voltage

Then did a write and got a reading of 6 volts just for a second as the meter resets its self while reading voltage

so i did a read and got 6 to 8 volts it varied as a read takes longer

 

doesn't sound like enough to me

 

Terry

Re: Power Pax ?

terryintexas7@...
 

Yes of course that's always possible
my programming track is isolated but still it could have happened
 
I can't find any output info listed at the DCC specialties site
but 20 volts sounds better than my 6- 8
 
 
I'm told my meter won't read square wave DCC voltage but still it should be more than 8 vo;ts
 

In a message dated 1/31/2014 11:51:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, pomilian@... writes:
 

Terry, I just tested my PowerPax.

During a ‘read Address’ my program track was about 20 volts AC. (Digital and analog voltmeter)

A couple of things:

n  Check that the power supply is supplying the rated voltage.

n  Is there the possibility that your program track may have gotten shorted to the main track.

The manual says that will damage the PowerPax.

Paul O

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of terryintexas7@...
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:47 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Power Pax ?

 

I hooked the meter to the booster wires on the programming track and set it for voltage

Then did a write and got a reading of 6 volts just for a second as the meter resets its self while reading voltage

so i did a read and got 6 to 8 volts it varied as a read takes longer

doesn't sound like enough to me

Terry

Re: Coach Lighting

Carl
 

Hi gang:

I've had good luck with ordering from China. Machine tool parts, miniature people, electronic parts and special consumer goods. The last orders even held my money in escrow until I had accepted delivery. Most were quick considering the distance.

Carl.

Re: Power Pax ?

Paul O
 

Terry, try calling DCC Specialties, they are very helpful.

I had problems with a PSX-AR and they repaired it.

 

Paul O

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of terryintexas7@...
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:05 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Power Pax ?

 

Yes of course that's always possible

my programming track is isolated but still it could have happened

 

I can't find any output info listed at the DCC specialties site

but 20 volts sounds better than my 6- 8

  

I'm told my meter won't read square wave DCC voltage but still it should be more than 8 volts

Re: Power Pax ?

terryintexas7@...
 

 
Paul
I did email them but can't call due to the fact i am mute due to throat cancer
have not heard back from them yet
Terry
 

In a message dated 1/31/2014 1:20:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, pomilian@... writes:
 

Terry, try calling DCC Specialties, they are very helpful.

I had problems with a PSX-AR and they repaired it.

Paul O

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of terryintexas7@...
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:05 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Power Pax ?

&nb sp;

Yes of course that's always possible

my programming track is isolated but still it could have happened

I can't find any output info listed at the DCC specialties site

but 20 volts sounds better than my 6- 8

  

I'm told my meter won't read square wave DCC voltage but s till it should be more than 8 volts

Re: Power Pax ?

Paul O
 

OK Terry, take care of yourself.

I hope you get the problem solved.

 

Paul O

Re: Coach Lighting

Eric
 

I have had good luck with Chinese orders, also. My only problem has been with US Customs in Chicago. I have had a 12 v power supply stuck in the Chicago Customs area for over a month. USPS and the seller can do nothing about it.

RicZ

--- In WiringForDCC@..., Carl <carl.blum@...> wrote:

Hi gang:

I've had good luck with ordering from China. Machine tool parts,
miniature people, electronic parts and special consumer goods. The last
orders even held my money in escrow until I had accepted delivery. Most
were quick considering the distance.

Carl.

DCC journey

Bruce Bailey <bruju@...>
 

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod

Re: DCC journey

terryintexas7@...
 

I would wait and try some systems that your friends have
not only will it help you decide you'll also have a built in help source
Terry
 

In a message dated 2/3/2014 4:29:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, bruju@... writes:
 

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod

Re: DCC journey

Flash Gordon
 

If you can add to the table amd make it 5 x 9, you do so much more on a layout.

Ed S
Sent from My Commodore 64

At 05:25 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote:


Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Re: DCC journey

Carl
 

Hello Bruce:

What scale / gauge are you planning? Just about any DCC system could support what would fit on your 4x8 table. I'm using Digitrax, but other folks say NCE is a more robust system?? The one nice thing is you can switch control systems and keep all the decoders in your locomotives. Also it isn't hard to sell an old DCC system.

What type of railroad do you plan? Operating trains, switching, point to point, etc.? Do you have a limited space?

Carl.

Re: DCC journey

William Teeters <cozyflyr9398@...>
 

That's great but, would you consider Digitrax?. Its amongst  the most popular DCC system out there. It can be run as simply or as complex as you can imagine.
Sites you can visit are DCCfor everyone, Digitrax of course and DCC-Sound. Great enthueism!, Look at different systems before you make that purchase. Good Luck Bill Teeters Chicago,Peoria and Western ho RR. as seen on RockRail.org.


From: Bruce Bailey
To: "WiringForDCC@..."
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 4:25 PM
Subject: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey

 
Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod


Re: Coach Lighting

Richard Sutcliffe
 

I have used these strips to light several HO coaches.
Added a resistor to control the lighting brightness a bit. No rectifiers or regulators. These are in waltzers cars with all wheel pickup.
No issues with flickering, or back voltage on DCC.

I have also taken a few LEDs from strips for other applications, and, in a frugal manner, saved the "resistors".
After some of the comments I decided to test these "resistors" and found they appear to be current limiting diode packages.
In one direction they indicate about 5k resistance and in the other direction infinite resistance.
Are these the illusive current limiting diodes we have been looking for for other single LED installations?

Dick Sutcliffe
General Manager
Bradley, Roger & Tidewater Rwy.
Cariboo Traction Company


On 2014-01-30, at 2:43 PM, Ed S wrote:



John,

If this is what you have:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5M-300Leds-Cool-White-3528-SMD-LED-Non-Waterproof-Flexible-Strip-12V-/321305664422?pt=US_Car_Lighting&hash=item4acf4f5ba6 


They are set up for 12V DC with a resistor built in every 3 LED's.  No diode included.

I use these on my pontoon boat and they work well.  They are very bight on a car battery, we look like a party boat... well we are LOL.

 I have extras that I plan to cut. You can cut them every 3 LEDs. there is a spot to solder new leads.

For others interested these come in different colors and lengths plus you do not need the water proof ones. 

But realize they expect to see 12V DC  so you need add another resistor for DCC and a diode. I use a diode bridge and a battery, not a capacitor.

Ed S




Re: DCC journey

Craig Zeni
 

On Feb 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Bailey wrote:

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
As others have noted, multiple choices exist. What do your friends use? I myself prefer NCE as it's simply more user friendly than other brands. But my suggestion to you is to test drive each system. Get on the system, use it, build consists, do some basic programming with it. Read the manual and see if you can understand it. Then you'll know what is right for you. The NCE user group on Yahoo maintains a list of users that are willing to have visitors come over and do such test drives etc.


Craig Zeni
Cary NC

Re: DCC journey

Richard Gagnon
 

I do not believe you want that set. The EZ Command is very limited. Program the loco number but no other CV's can be modified.
The sound value sets have the same controller. You can activate the sounds but you cannot fine tune any CV's and you will eventually want to.
The Digital Commander and other on board non sound DCC are very basic, old school decoders, usable but you will probably want to replace them in the Bachmann locos. Many do.
The sound value decoders are quite good though.


I use both versions but did get rid of the Bachmann non sound decoders.

Below is a link to the Bachmann forums and website.


http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php


There are quite a few on line shops with better prices than Bachmann suggest. I have used Micro Mart and The Favorite Spot.


Rich

Re: Coach Lighting

Scott H. Haycock
 

The correct link is: http: http://www.proto87.com/



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 



The link to  http://www.proto87stores.com/. didn't work Only got a hosting service.

Doug K

From: Alden G. McBee
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Coach Lighting
 
Check out flex-lighting on http://www.proto87stores.com/.
—Alden McBee
On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:25 PM, John Cahill <johncahill25@...> wrote:

Hi! I am investigating the multiple possible methods of lighting coaches/carriages on my HO NCE controlled layout.  I have tried Flicker Free, which works fine.  I have also built small circuits using miniature rectifiers feeding LED strips.  In order to light my entire collection using any of these methods, a significant investment in time and electronic components would be required.  I have tried a small experiment using direct DCC track power to light a short strip of LED lights and found it worked fine, especially with the addition of a 1K resistor in series in the circuit.  Is this approach too simplistic or am I missing something?  Any comments appreciated!  Thanks in advance,
John Cahill




Re: Coach Lighting

Bob Hand <rehandjr@...>
 

I can't figure out where a polarity reversal would occur in DCC.
 
bob


From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of John Cahill
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:31 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Coach Lighting

 

Thanks, Don.  Does it matter which direction the diode faces?
John C


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...> wrote:
 

Don’t forget to include a diode to protect the LED strip from reverse voltage. (if it doesn’t already include a rectifier.) Use a single resistor to limit current and brightness.

DonV

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of John Cahill
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:25 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Coach Lighting

 




Hi! I am investigating the multiple possible methods of lighting coaches/carriages on my HO NCE controlled layout.  I have tried Flicker Free, which works fine.  I have also built small circuits using miniature rectifiers feeding LED strips.  In order to light my entire collection using any of these methods, a significant investment in time and electronic components would be required.  I have tried a small experiment using direct DCC track power to light a short strip of LED lights and found it worked fine, especially with the addition of a 1K resistor in series in the circuit.  Is this approach too simplistic or am I missing something?  Any comments appreciated!  Thanks in advance,

John Cahill





Re: Coach Lighting

Chris Richter
 

Use: http://www.proto87.com/


Chris

LM317 Circuits

William E. Davies <wedavies@...>
 

Greetings group,
Perhaps the attached info will make the LM317 more useful.
Bill

Re: Coach lighting

Tom Cockle
 

I use a bridge rectifier ahead of the LED lighting (so that when I run at my DC-only club the lights work in both directions).   Since a bridge rectifier is actually four diodes, doesn't this solve the reverse voltage problem as well?
Or should I add another diode?
Tom Cockle
McKinleyville CA


Re: Coach Lighting

Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:39 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Ed S" ed.kolt

Max,

Thanks that makes sense. I will include a diode if I decide to power 
LEDs from the track.

Ed S


At 10:14 PM 1/29/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>LED's will stand only a few volts (5-7) in reverse from the normal 
>polarity for lighting them. If on DCC they are under reverse voltage 
>half the time. If you have 2 or 3 in series the reverse voltage 
>might divide evenly, but very unlikely, so it's best to prevent 
>stressing the LED's by adding a regular diode as well. These are 
>usually have minimum reverse rating of at least 59 volts so more 
>than adequate for DCC track voltage levels. And yes someone may be 
>using them without diodes and so far nothing happened, but that's no 
>substitute for a little proper engineering.
>
>
>
>Max