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Re: Power Boosters

Mark Gurries
 


On Jun 12, 2019, at 5:35 PM, obeeone@... wrote:

Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

Simple Answer: They are not designed to be mixed.  There was no DCC standard covering booster compatibility when the standards were developed.  Although there is a standard today, it is to little to late.

It is possible to mix them.  Some, but is gets complicated, special wiring, rules, not supported by manufactures and your on your own for any consequences.

Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



DCC Power Boosters - Mix or Match

ROBERT HULTMAN
 

There's an article in the July 2019 Model Railroader reviewing several different DCC systems.  Suggest reading thru it for some basics.  In general, my impression form the article was No, but refer to the specs for the system-systems under consideration.

Bob Hultman in Brentwood TN

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 10:06:38 PM CDT, obeeone@... <obeeone@...> wrote:

Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

Max Maginness
 

I did a census of soldering irons on hand

 

Type     

Tip voltage relative to ground

WLC 100 

26 volts

Weller WES D51  ESD

<0.1 volts   (3 wire)     

Archer (Radio Shack )

3 volts

Ungar (about 40 watts)  

6 volts

Weller (35 watts)

40 volts

 

 

 

All were two wire except the WES D51

In no case was the leakage current to ground more than 20 microamps. There is no personal shock hazard but you might not want to touch a hot tip for other reasons anyway.

 

Max

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 1:18 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Current through the soldering iron tip

 

Thank you for the info.  Still, I will test it the next time I fire it up.  Has generated some conversation on the forum.  My shop, wired by myself, does have a separate ground wire and all receptacles are new three prong plugs.  So that should not be an issue.

 

From: Denny Anspach

Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 3:31 PM

Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Current through the soldering iron tip

 

ESD SAFE reportedly is the sign that the iron is grounded and labeled to be safe for CMOS and similar electronic work. My current Weller is so labeled, and apparently it is the same iron also  commonly used in the nearby gigantic Intel   plant (California location).

 

Denny

 

Denny S. Anspach MD

Okoboji, IA

 

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento CA


 

Re: Power Boosters

ronmerrill69
 

No, would not be good 


On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:06 PM, obeeone@...
<obeeone@...> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

Re: Power Boosters

dennisedgar7
 

Hi, I have mixed Lenz and Digitrax.
Just read the instructions.

Dennis

On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 05:06, <obeeone@...> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

--
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Lead Auditor  133839
mobile: 083 6470569

Re: Power Boosters

scott toro
 

Yes you can add Bachmann power boosters I’m not sure about other




On Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 5:35 PM, obeeone@... wrote:

Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

Re: Power Boosters

vincent marino
 

Theorectically you should be able to because all up to date manufacturers use national standards. However if the boosters you're using have any age and considering how tempimental DCC is, I would recommend single source manufacturer for a new layout. Think about it, if you tracking down a problem you're not going to know if it's a short or a manufacturer conflict. I like to say "never enough time (or money) to do it right always enough time to do it over".


On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 11:06 PM <obeeone@...> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

Re: Power Boosters

whmvd
 

Hi Obie-wan,

Even if you get it working technically (and some combinations should be workable), think of the nightmare when you need advice from a manufaturer because one day something doesn't want to play anymore. As soon as you admit to mixing brands, each will point to the other, and you will be left with no help except for the internet (which isn't bad, but having the manufacturer jump ship *is*).


So my response: better not.
Wouter


On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 04:06, <obeeone@...> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.

Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

 

When soldering feeders on you layout and large circuit boards there is enough leakage to ground to take care of the problem.  Also the track connections of the decoder is the least susceptible to this problem because of the power capacitor that is on the board. The smaller the decoder the greater the risk.

Best Regards,
Ken Harstine

Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

JBJudy
 

I am looking for clarification as I have this Weller unit & it is NOT MARKED ESD SAFE!

Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

Craig Zeni
 

On Jun 13, 2019, at 9:33 AM, JBJudy wrote:

I am looking for clarification as I have this Weller unit & it is NOT MARKED ESD SAFE!
Then don't do decoder or electronic work with it. I wouldn't risk smoking a decoder with a non-ESD safe iron.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC

Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

Don Vollrath
 

ESD Safe is not the exactly the same as current leakage or as simply grounding the tip of a soldering iron. There is as special spec and requirements for it to protect sensitive electronic equipment.... like microprocessors and amplifiers used inside decoders. Remember seeing sparks from your fingers when handling wool sweaters in dry humidity conditions?  See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge.
BTW - When you use a grounded soldering iron make sure that whatever thing you are soldering to is NOT energized. Otherwise you are creating a direct path for current to flow from whatever source it is connected to by touching it with a grounded soldering iron.
DonV 
  

Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

Michael Rozeboom
 

On 2019-06-13 9:33 a.m., JBJudy wrote:
I am looking for clarification as I have this Weller unit & it is NOT MARKED ESD SAFE!


Then it is not.  ESD safe units are identified with the ESD safe symbols.  Older units have the three prong plug, and they are not ESD safe.



--




Michael Rozeboom



Re: Power Boosters

Mark Gurries
 


On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:55 AM, vincent marino <vmarino2009@...> wrote:

Theorectically you should be able to because all up to date manufacturers use national standards.

No one is following the DCC standards in US.  No one has changed the design of their boosters since they were designed and release well before  the standard came out a long time later.


However if the boosters you're using have any age and considering how tempimental DCC is, I would recommend single source manufacturer for a new layout. Think about it, if you tracking down a problem you're not going to know if it's a short or a manufacturer conflict. I like to say "never enough time (or money) to do it right always enough time to do it over".

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 11:06 PM <obeeone@...> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.



Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



Re: Power Boosters

Jay
 

Hi!
This may fit the bill.
It works with several manufacturers Command Stations.
It is available in the US from Iron Planet Hobbies.
Here is the MFG website:
https://www.digikeijs.com/en/dr5033-adj-dcc-booster-3-amps.html

Jay

Re: Power Boosters

Chuck
 

You might also take a look at this for a simple add on booster.

http://www.tamvalleydepot.com/products/dccbooster.html

Chuck Filson

On 2019-06-12 8:35 p.m., obeeone@... wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene
but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters.
In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or
Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power
booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

Dennis Cherry
 

The Weller WES D51  ESD  Is what I use. My soldering station previous was a Weller EC2000, but finally gave up after 30 years.


Re: Current through the soldering iron tip

Richard Gagnon
 

I checked with my meter fifteen years ago. I check periodically. I worked for NASA for fourteen years at Wallops Flight Faciliy. I kknow the details.
Good enough for me.



On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 11:55 AM, rg <richg_1998@...> wrote:

That came a a surprise to me as my station has the tree prong plug. Must be the internal wiring. I never did see any voltage issue though.

Rich


Re: Power Boosters

Obeeone
 

Thank you, Chuck. That was extremely helpful.
 
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 9:03 PM
From: "Chuck" <railfan@...>
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Power Boosters
You might also take a look at this for a simple add on booster.

http://www.tamvalleydepot.com/products/dccbooster.html

Chuck Filson

On 2019-06-12 8:35 p.m., obeeone@... wrote:
> Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene
> but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters.
> In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or
> Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power
> booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.
> _._,_._,_
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------



 

Re: DCC Power Boosters - Mix or Match? >>> Match

Mark Cartwright
 

Match
So here is what I am doing now.....
Cause I am not Steve Wozniak and can't put odd components together for Pong.
https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/esu-50010-ecosboost-4-amp-ext-booster-mm-dcc-sx-m4-set-including-power-supply-120-240v-europe-and-us-manual-in-german-english/?ne_ppc_id=1079742151&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3ZDTgPbm4gIVkcBkCh0hZAbcEAQYASABEgLWZvD_BwE
===
Here is a video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaAsl5oO7v8

Sorry about it being in German...but after 5 years of High School and University German....I finally have a use for all those Klasses.
Not sure you are getting this..
Or got turned off to the Lese-Sprache...
Just listen to the music and watch..
====> Yes, you can adjust the variables at the Command Station and then test these variables with specific trains on your layout.
Need more power? ....
Yes, Matched ESU Boosters are Plug n Play...
Not bad...I felt a rant coming on but instead decided to skip it.
:)) Mark