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Re: A question on DCC track wiring using yard point triple turnouts

Jay
 

Hi!
On my Shinohara 3 way I ended up putting power feeds at each ray point.
The engines lost power on the out rays.
Now it works as it should.
Jay

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Brad Ketchen <bketchen@...>
 

Hi Ty, welcome to the hobby. Is it the first run? I was out of it for 20 some odd Years and came back with a bang. 

N scale is good for long runs. There's a good column in Model Railroader dedicated to N Scale run by Jim Kelly. But if you want a 'switching layout' HO is the way to go. Depends on what you want to achieve vs real estate. Also..depending on your patience...mine is little especially when it comes to detailing an Atlas $300 locomotive.. but having to detail N scale...not for me! Some people struggle with oversized hand railings and accuracy on N scale. Depends too on how picky you are.

NCE is a good system. I run an NCE Power cab on a small HO switching layout myself.

Happy Railroading
Brad

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Thomas Webb <tbw.trains@...> wrote:
Hello -  
My name is Ty and at the young age of 73 I have decided to become a model railroader.   I'm vacillating between HO or N Scale but I do know that I will be using NCE for my DCC.  

Looking forward to the adventure.

Ty Webb


Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Greg Harter
 

I'm 77, started building my current HO layout in 1978.  It will NEVER be 100% finished.  

Good luck to you, all I've read in response to your email is excellent in my opinion, especially the turnout issues regardless of what guage you choose.

Greg Harter

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Mark Cartwright
 

Ty...
Before beginning any layout....I suggest reading 
A Clean Well Lighted Place by Earnest Hemingway.
Consider this tale upon your next visit to a Train Store; where the older owner and the much younger (angry) clerk want you to buy something for your layout....Anything ....Even if it doesn't work.  May you find meaning in your layout, even if your endeavors are a speck in the vast indifference of model railroad suppliers; who seem to care less if your locomotive can actually run upon the track they sell.
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If I was to suggest.....and I probably shouldn't. 
I could write at least three apparently very different suggestions as to Scale. Not comparing each scale to the other but simply speaking to their individual attributes.   In the end, I went primarily with N Scale in an O Scale Space.  To test my theories on what I might want and must have's...aka Givens and Druthers > I created an Oval Tri-Way Loop on an 8 inch shelf,  around the top of the ceiling of my Bedroom consisting of N, HO and O Scale beginning on the inside with 28" Radius Kato N Scale Unitrack. The next outside oval is Kato HO and the final is Lionel O-72 Fast Track.
===> Physics doesn't scale > Those things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. - Euclid
Meaning? O Scale Bridges measure out very well to N Scale but require the Spacing of O Scale in order to run/operate both track with trains.
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Don't skip on the Radius of your Curves, the even lay of your track, don't try to fit too much in too small a space and if you want your layout to operate...Keep  your first layout simple and complete it.
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I would perhaps suggest, buying a Box Car in each scale, even Z Scale. 
Don't do anything with them, other than look at them and handle each one.
Then get a section of track and try putting the box car on the track.
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As for DCC....Ugh!
I believe the way you lay and run your track and then hook it all  up (Conductivity) has more to do with successful DCC/Sound than specifically which DCC Command System you eventually decide to purchase. Plus how well you can keep it clean.
Why? 
Cause in my travels of buying defunct layouts...I have ended up with nearly a dozen different DCC Command Stations. All of them have good attributes. After testing them all on a plethora of vastly different decoders, I began to appreciate the hassle of installing LokSound Decoders and running them all on a slightly more expensive ESU ECoS System; also purchased second hand at less than half price to MSRP.  
Model Railroading even the choice of the best, doesn't necessarily need to be expensive.
I have good things to say about the Digitrax Zephyr, the Bachmann Dynamis, The MRC Prodigy and the  NCE Systems. That is to say, I have good things to say about Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and several other religions; which I have also studied independently on my own. DCC Discussions can resemble Religious Discussions....Which ever you decide upon...Good Luck!
With than said...What is important to successful DCC/Sound Operations?
I believe DCC with SOUND should at least begin to consider Soldering Nearly Every Damn Connection. > Everything and Everywhere <  
===  DCC information is sent in packets of information...So any glitch in your trackage/conductivity and your decoder will reset; may travel a few inches and then reset again.....Learning to appreciate 8 hour LokSound Sound Decoder installs in a Brass Locomotive versus an MRC Drop In Sound Decoder in a Kato Plastic Shell Locomotive  -- aka 5 minute installation is a learning curve which has taken years to master.
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This bit of wisdom has taken me nearly 58 years to understand.
Create what is a manageable Layout for your life before they lay you out....in a Clean and Well Lighted Place.
In the words of Abraham Lincoln, what ever you decide on becoming Be a good one.
:)) Mark

Connect Walthers fascia LEDs to Hare?

Steven Meyer
 

Does anyone have a diagram to show how the Walthers fascia control 942-121 attaches to a Hare? Or are they suitable only for connection to their servo machines?


sdmeyer

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Luther Stephens
 

Mark (and others),

There is no mention of S Scale. I will leave it at that.

Luther Stephens

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Brad Ketchen <bketchen@...>
 

Well with S Scale there's an issue with product availabilty. 


On Saturday, August 4, 2018, Luther Stephens <lcs464@...> wrote:
Mark (and others),

There is no mention of S Scale. I will leave it at that.

Luther Stephens

Re: Connect Walthers fascia LEDs to Hare?

Dale Gloer
 

They are incompatible.

Dale Gloer

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

John Bishop
 

Let me put in my 2 cents for O scale. I have a three  car garage in Southern California, and built layout around my sports car in the middle stall. It's traction/two rail, and while the curves are limit what I can run, I also belong to a modular group where I can run bigger, longer stuff.  The picture is at Havens, on the Sacramento Northern. The water heater is in the background.

John Bishop

On Saturday, August 4, 2018, 5:27:24 AM PDT, Brad Ketchen <bketchen@...> wrote:


Well with S Scale there's an issue with product availabilty. 

On Saturday, August 4, 2018, Luther Stephens <lcs464@...> wrote:
Mark (and others),

There is no mention of S Scale. I will leave it at that.

Luther Stephens

Re: A question on DCC track wiring using yard point triple turnouts

Jay
 

Sorry, I forgot.
I had to isolate the out feeds.
Shorts were happening on my DCC system.
I put isolators on both rails on each leg.
Then added power to each leg, past the isolators.
No more shorts!
Jay

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Luther Stephens
 

I suggest the issue with product availability is knowing where to look. The best place to start is with the NASG. Web site is nasg.org. The site is loaded with photos of almost everything S. Also links to the makers of current products and dealers/hobby shops that carry S products. S uses the same dcc products and wiring as HO and other scales.
I have recently converted my 11 locos to battery power using MRC's loco Genie products. Makes wiring a lot simpler.

Luther Stephens

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Brad Ketchen <bketchen@...>
 

Greg...turnouts have always been a big issue...especially crossovers. I've scaled down my track plans because of...
I personally like the Micro Engineering brand. But still...having a small switching layout i've reduced the number of them and model reality. As Lance Mindheim says "a model of a railroad". And Pelle Soesberg has been open in 'Model Railroader' mag that he uses trains as an excuse to model reality in 1:87:1 scale! 


On Friday, August 3, 2018, Greg Harter <greg1462@...> wrote:
I'm 77, started building my current HO layout in 1978.  It will NEVER be 100% finished.  

Good luck to you, all I've read in response to your email is excellent in my opinion, especially the turnout issues regardless of what guage you choose.

Greg Harter

Re: New to Model Railroading and DCC

Brad Ketchen <bketchen@...>
 

I can see S scale working out in the battery dept. What size batteries and are they rechargeable?

Cheers
Brad


On Sunday, August 5, 2018, Luther Stephens <lcs464@...> wrote:
I suggest the issue with product availability is knowing where to look. The best place to start is with the NASG. Web site is nasg.org. The site is loaded with photos of almost everything S. Also links to the makers of current products and dealers/hobby shops that carry S products. S uses the same dcc products and wiring as HO and other scales.
I have recently converted my 11 locos to battery power using MRC's loco Genie products. Makes wiring a lot simpler.

Luther Stephens

Placing an Auto Reverser on a Layout With Circuit Breakers

redking56@...
 

The common wisdom seems to be to isolate not only the reversing section but to also keep the auto-reverser separate and apart from any circuit breakers controlling other power districts. In other words, an auto-reverser should not be placed inside a power district controlled by a circuit breaker. That raises a question in my mind.

I am building a new layout, and for all practical purposes, it is a double mainline dogbone with crossovers in the middle of the dogbone. I am installing reversing sections at each end of the layout where the mainlines loop around so that I can keep all four mainline tracks in phase in the middle of the layout.

Following accepted protocol, I have installed separate buses for each of the four reversing sections. However, since the reversing sections are merely part of the mainline tracks, it occurs to me that the auto-reversers could input from the double mainline bus which is a separate power district controlled by its own circuit breaker. 

My reasoning is that if there is a short on the mainline which shuts down the power district, it will also shut down the reversing sections which are nested inside the mainline power district. I don't see a problem with this because until the short is cleared trains in the reversing section probably ought to stop anyhow since they are operating on mainline tracks. On the other hand, if there is a short in the reversing section, it would seem that you would want trains on the non-reversing portion of the mainline to stop as well to avoid problems with trains nearing the reversing sections.

Am I thinking clearly on this issue?

Rich

Re: Placing an Auto Reverser on a Layout With Circuit Breakers

Don Vollrath
 

Rich, your thinking is logical except for consideration of how the auto-reversers actually work. When a loco enters an A-R section of opposite polarity there is a momentary short circuit created. The pulse of unwanted current to the track is sensed by the A-R controller causing it to reverse the polarity to relieve the short. This allows trains to keep running. If that same pulse of current also passes through a non-reversing type circuit breaker there is a time/race condition where the circuit breaker may interrupt the current first... before the A-R unit has time to react... causing a shut-down rather than a polarity flip correction by the A-R section. The conventional way to eliminate that possibility is to power the A-R controller directly from booster mains rather than after or through any power district circuit breaker. The brand/model choice of A-R unit and CBs can certainly affect the result. Many of the A-R control units have their own internal CB that cuts off all current to the A-R track section if there is indeed a short circuit within the A-R section and flipping the polarity does not resolve the conflict. [See the PSX-AR and/or OG-AR series for examples] There is no need for any additional current limiting or circuit breaker action. If the pulse of current through the A-R unit is constricted it may not flip the polarity as desired.

DonV

Re: Placing an Auto Reverser on a Layout With Circuit Breakers

redking56@...
 

Don, thanks for that response. You're right.  I had not considered how the auto-reversers actually work. Fortunately, I have run separate buses for each of the four reversing sections. Incidentally, the circuit breakers are PSX units and the auto-reversers are PSX-AR units.

Rich

Re: Placing an Auto Reverser on a Layout With Circuit Breakers

Don Vollrath
 

Rich... A followup on your original line of thinking is that a short circuit anywhere on the layout should stop all trains. This makes perfect sense on a single operator layout if you plan on letting a train run continuously on the main line loops while you busy yourself operating another to perform switching moves. This can be accomplished by dispensing with separate protected power districts (except for A-R sections) and let the single booster trip when there is a shorting problem, regardless of where it exists. Just be careful to be sure that the booster trip level is not likely to cause damage if it keeps recycling and pay attention to quickly find the issue and remove power while you fix the issue.

DonV 

Re: Placing an Auto Reverser on a Layout With Circuit Breakers

redking56@...
 

Don, thanks for that follow-up analysis.

In the process of building my new layout, I have created 8 power districts. The four reversing sections are separate power districts, each controlled by a PSX-AR which also serves as a circuit breaker. The other four power districts are each controlled by a separate PSX circuit breaker. I have run separate buses from the output side of each PSX (PSX-AR) to the respective power district. So, in the event of a short in any one of the power districts, only that power district will shut down until the short is resolved.

Rich

Re: Placing an Auto Reverser on a Layout With Circuit Breakers

Tom in Texas
 

The PSX-AR will not work reliably if at all if installed downstream from a PSX circuit breaker. The PSX-AR has its own circuit breaker in addition to be an auto reverser so it should be powered directly from the booster

Tom in Texas

New Easy To Make Terminal Strips

Carl
 

Hi Gang:
I just published an Instructables design for easy to make terminal strips. They are made of PVC trim and use hex head sheet metal screws for connectors. No soldering, no stripping, multiple connections are possible and changes are as easy as removing a screw. Check out the web site:
https://www.instructables.com/id/Insulation-Displacement-Screw-Terminals/
Or search instructables.com for Insulation Displacement Screw Terminals
Hope you find them easy to make and useful.
Carl.