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Re: Best ho switches

Brian Lewis
 

Absolutely. I was waiting for this.

It saddens me that folk demand absolute accuracy with regards to locos and rolling stock, but them plonk it on trackwork that bears little or no relationship to the prototype..... Some layouts I see, must owe their origins to Disneyland!  How can such layouts be called 'scale'?

I have been building track and pointwork for more than forty years, using as a baseline, original railways company's drawings. And I agree with you - Fast Tracks makes track building so easy.


On 23/04/2018 20:51, Kurt kurt.konrath@... [WiringForDCC] wrote:
 

If you really want to get this discussion going on who’s the best how about using hand made switches?


I build all my switches by hand now. 

Most using the Fast-tracks jigs for assembly off layout.  

If done properly the work great with proper look and no shorts. You can power frogs easy as well!

Kurt K 


--

Regards and thanks

 

Brian Lewis

Re: Best ho switches

Brian Eiland
 

I have quite a few used (but like new) Peco turnouts that are without of their original boxes. I'm looking for a quick way to determine if they are electrofrog or insulfrog turnouts?
Brian

Re: Best ho switches

Dale Gloer
 

If the epoint of teh frog is plastic, it is Insulfrog or if it is metal right to the point it is Electrofrog.  See the photos in section 2-12b of http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_peco.htm for each type.

Dale Gloer

Short Bus Run

gregw66@...
 

I am building a switching layout six feet long by two feet wide. There will be at most two locomotives running at the same time. From what I've read, a 16 gauge bus should be adequate. Feeders will be 20 gauge solid. I ask because I can get a quantity of 16 gauge wire inexpensively. 


GregW66

Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.



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Re: Short Bus Run

Vollrath, Don <don.vollrath@...>
 

16 gauge will be ok.
Since

On Apr 26, 2018, at 9:30 AM, @GregW66<mailto:@GregW66> [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...<mailto:WiringForDCC@...>> wrote:



I am building a switching layout six feet long by two feet wide. There will be at most two locomotives running at the same time. From what I've read, a 16 gauge bus should be adequate. Feeders will be 20 gauge solid. I ask because I can get a quantity of 16 gauge wire inexpensively.


GregW66

Re: Kato Switches and DCC

John M Wallis
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

John thank you. I'm leaning towards the DPDP switches because the decoders are not just more expensive but for me at this point more complicated with my NCE system. NCE makes a decoder for Kato @ $25 per turnout, I have 12 turnouts. 

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi Vincent,
I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up.
With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X.
When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly.
Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

W. Rusty Lane, Jr.
 

Vincent,


I think the switch you need is called a ¨momentary¨ DPDT with center off.  As John said, it is spring loaded and has to be held in each position only ¨momentary¨ so as not to burn out the coils.   😁


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Re: Short Bus Run

whmvd
 

Hi Greg,

Scale is important in these decisions.. I have no idea about those gauge-units of wiring (being non-USA) but the requirements for, say, G-scale are vastly different from those for, at the other end of the scale, Z.

Wouter

On 25 April 2018 at 02:36, gregw66@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

I am building a switching layout six feet long by two feet wide. There will be at most two locomotives running at the same time. From what I've read, a 16 gauge bus should be adequate. Feeders will be 20 gauge solid. I ask because I can get a quantity of 16 gauge wire inexpensively. 


GregW66


Short Buss Wire Gauge

Greg Williams <gregw66@...>
 

I am planning a small switching layout, 2'x6'. It will be wooden frame with cross braces every 2 feet. This allows 3 "spaces" I am planning to run a 16 AWG buss from the circuit breaker set at 1.5A max to a distribution block in each 2'x2' space under the layout. The feeders for the track would be run from the distribution block. 20 AWG wire. The most I will have is 2 locos at any one time and most of the time only one. I am thinking with these short runs and low current, 16 AWG will be enough. It is local and inexpensive. 

GregW66

Hopefully starting new layout

Timothy Holmes
 

HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. 

I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity.

What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time 

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande
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Tim 

San Luis and Rio Grande

Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Mike you raised another question. The power supply for the turnouts are they separate from the dcc bus?

I guess confused on how to wire the dpdt switch. The center is for power supply explain the other connections again. I'm sorry I'm not getting it. 


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 9:36 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up.
With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X.
When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly.
Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
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904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi Vincent,
Yes, the power supply for the Kato turnouts is a straight DC power supply. It is separate from, and not connected to anything related to DCC.​
The two DC wires are connected to one end of the switch, and the center contacts are connected to the turnout. The two ends of the switch are connected to each other by criss-cross wiring that looks like an X..

Here is one link...
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and a last one


Peace,
Mike G.




On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike you raised another question. The power supply for the turnouts are they separate from the dcc bus?

I guess confused on how to wire the dpdt switch. The center is for power supply explain the other connections again. I'm sorry I'm not getting it. 

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 9:36 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up.
With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X.
When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly.
Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www..bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Re: Hopefully starting new layout

vincent marino
 

Tim the only advice I would give you is to stay away from Bachmann EZ track and turnouts. I too just started a new layout this past December and am so disgusted I wasn't warned about the inferior quality of Bachmann track and turnouts. I can attest to the NCE quality products you'll love the way they work. Good luck.

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Tim Holmes taholmes160@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. 

I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity.

What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time 

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande
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Tim 

San Luis and Rio Grande