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Speaker connections on TSC 21-HWM 21 pin connectors

Richard Sutcliffe
 

I am installing a 21pin sound decoder in a P2K RDC

I have a a TCS 21-HWM connector that has solder pads for adding wires. There are 9 pads are nicely labled with NMRA colours on the pin side, and 3 none tined pads on the other side. These 3 pads are not labled.
I need to find the connections for the speaker, and am curious about the third pad.
I haven’t found any detail on these 3 pads on the TCS website.

Dick Sutcliffe
General Manager
Bradley, Roger & Tidewater Rwy.
Cariboo Traction Company

Re: Large Gauge Ground Wire in Parallel with Loconet Gound Wires == Groundloop?

Chris Elliott
 

Yes, I had installed a heavy gauge “home ground” between the boosters and command station. 

Sent from planet earth

On 27 Dec 2017, at 11:15, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

 

Did you have the ground wire installed?


On Dec 24, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Chris Elliott cpelliott100@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



I’ve found that the new digitrax boosters won’t come on line if the ground wires in the loconet cables are cut.
Chris Elliott

Sent from planet earth

On 25 Dec 2017, at 04:50, nwsteamer modelrr@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

Mark,

The way I read this statement the large gauge wire in parallel to the 
Loconet 'ground'  wires does constitute a 'loop' and could cause a 
reliability problem.

Thus, the recommendation in Allan Gartner's website to cut the Loconet 
'grounds' at the boosters is valid.  Do you agree?

On 12/24/2017 05:03 AM, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] 
wrote:
> Adding the large gauge parallel ground wire permitting a ground loop 
> to be establish is the LESSER of the two evils. 




Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



Re: Speaker connections on TSC 21-HWM 21 pin connectors

 

Re: Large Gauge Ground Wire in Parallel with Loconet Gound Wires == Groundloop?

Mark Gurries
 

How did you make the ground connection?  Details please.

On Dec 26, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Chris Elliott cpelliott100@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



Yes, I had installed a heavy gauge “home ground” between the boosters and command station. 

Sent from planet earth

On 27 Dec 2017, at 11:15, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:


Did you have the ground wire installed?


On Dec 24, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Chris Elliott cpelliott100@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



I’ve found that the new digitrax boosters won’t come on line if the ground wires in the loconet cables are cut.
Chris Elliott

Sent from planet earth

On 25 Dec 2017, at 04:50, nwsteamer modelrr@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

Mark,

The way I read this statement the large gauge wire in parallel to the 
Loconet 'ground'  wires does constitute a 'loop' and could cause a 
reliability problem.

Thus, the recommendation in Allan Gartner's website to cut the Loconet 
'grounds' at the boosters is valid.  Do you agree?

On 12/24/2017 05:03 AM, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] 
wrote:
> Adding the large gauge parallel ground wire permitting a ground loop 
> to be establish is the LESSER of the two evils. 




Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com







Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



Re: Large Gauge Ground Wire in Parallel with Loconet Gound Wires == Groundloop?

Chris Elliott
 

I have a DCS100 as the command station. In loconet port A I have a UR92 connected and that’s it. In loconet port B I have the loconet cable that runs to the other boosters. There are no other loconet devices connected anywhere. On the DCS100 the “home ground” is connected to the little digitrax installed pigtail. This pigtail is connected to a lug which is held against the rear heat sink.. 

The “home ground” wire runs for approx 14 metres before reaching the first and second boosters, it is a 2.5 millimetre cable (approx awg 13) It does not connect to anything else.
The “home ground” wire connects to the ground terminal on the front of a DB210 and then daisy chains off to the second DB210 and connects the same way.

I had previously wired a friends layout which has a DCS100 and six DB150’s configured as boosters. I had cut the loconet cables as described in Alan Gartners “booster wiring” and it works without issue.

So when I installed the booster loconet cable on my layout, I cut the wires as described on Alan’s website and as I’d done previously. But the DB210’s would not wake up. The LEDs on the front on the DB210 were not correct and trains would not run on the DB210s power districts. The both rails at boundary between power districts are gaped and insulated. Reterminating the booster loconet cable so that all 6 wires are connected corrected the issue.


Sent from planet earth

On 30 Dec 2017, at 11:53, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

 

How did you make the ground connection?  Details please.

On Dec 26, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Chris Elliott cpelliott100@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



Yes, I had installed a heavy gauge “home ground” between the boosters and command station. 

Sent from planet earth

On 27 Dec 2017, at 11:15, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:


Did you have the ground wire installed?


On Dec 24, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Chris Elliott cpelliott100@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



I’ve found that the new digitrax boosters won’t come on line if the ground wires in the loconet cables are cut.
Chris Elliott

Sent from planet earth

On 25 Dec 2017, at 04:50, nwsteamer modelrr@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

Mark,

The way I read this statement the large gauge wire in parallel to the 
Loconet 'ground'  wires does constitute a 'loop' and could cause a 
reliability problem.

Thus, the recommendation in Allan Gartner's website to cut the Loconet 
'grounds' at the boosters is valid.  Do you agree?

On 12/24/2017 05:03 AM, Mark Gurries gurriesm@... [WiringForDCC] 
wrote:
> Adding the large gauge parallel ground wire permitting a ground loop 
> to be establish is the LESSER of the two evils. 




Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com







Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



new dcc HO layout

vincent marino
 

I just retired and want to build a 5x12 in my garage. DCC is way more sophisticated than the DC I'm used to. 

Questions:

1.  regarding NCE equipment:  Is pro cab r (wireless) and pb5 booster the right combination of components to run >2 and <10 locomotives? 

2.  Regarding power sections w/ circuit breakers. I was going to designate each main line (3), the yard, a turntable and all the dcc switches (turnouts and crossovers) into (6) separate power sections. Does this sound about right?


thanks for your help




Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
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Re: new dcc HO layout

wirefordcc
 

Vincent,


Your layout isn't large.  There may be a cheaper way to go.  How many operators will you have?


For a layout your size and I'm surmising that you won't be having operating sessions with lots of operators, it is fine to break your layout into the sections you suggest, but rather than using electronic circuit breakers, just use a toggle switch to kill the power to each section.


If you are a sole or couple of operators, when a train stops, it will probably be obvious where the problem occurred and you can solve it.  If not, start turning off sections until the problem goes away - you only have 6 max to turn off.  Not a big deal.  The last switch you turned off will tell you what section your problem is in and you can fix it.


Allan

Wiring For DCC

Re: new dcc HO layout

vincent marino
 

Allen, thank you for your reply. Yes I'm the sole operator.

I guess I should have joined the group prior to making any purchases.  

Since I already purchased the circuit breakers I guess I'll install them, it sounds like I'm approaching it correctly based upon your toggle suggestion even if it is an overkill.

I have a question concerning the NCE equipment I purchased. I don't know if you can help me with that. I bought Pro Cab R (wireless) and PB5 booster. Everything I read said the Pro Cab will run 2 loco but I'm interested in running up to 8 loco. Nothing I read gave any advice regarding the right booster for the wireless system. I purchased PB5 booster based upon what information I could pull from the NCE website. I hope it's correct I'm trying to find out before any installation takes place.

Hey man thanks again for taking the time to reply.   

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
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On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:51 AM, bigboy@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Vincent,


Your layout isn't large.  There may be a cheaper way to go.  How many operators will you have?


For a layout your size and I'm surmising that you won't be having operating sessions with lots of operators, it is fine to break your layout into the sections you suggest, but rather than using electronic circuit breakers, just use a toggle switch to kill the power to each section.


If you are a sole or couple of operators, when a train stops, it will probably be obvious where the problem occurred and you can solve it.  If not, start turning off sections until the problem goes away - you only have 6 max to turn off.  Not a big deal.  The last switch you turned off will tell you what section your problem is in and you can fix it.


Allan

Wiring For DCC


Re: new dcc HO layout

dvollrath@...
 

Vincent, I agree w/ Allan. Your layout can be handled easily with a single cab (the NCE ProCab) and a single 5 amp booster. But there must also be an NCE command station. Did you actually purchase an NCE ProwerPro wireless system that contains the command station (DCC brains) in the same box as the booster, and came with the ProCab hand-held throttle and plug-in power supply? The wireless system also comes with a wireless transmitter box and the ProCab should already have its part of the wireless transmitter built-in. Also get at least one  UTP universal plug panel for the NCE control bus for plug-in operation. You will need all those pieces.

For a single operator RR, separating your 8 x 12 layout into 6 circuit breaker power districts is overkill. Test your track and wiring as you build to prevent construction/connection issues. A single operator will easily know when and where derailments occur.

DonV   

Re: new dcc HO layout

vincent marino
 

Don thanks for the advice. Yes I purchased the PH-PRO-R it comes with the command station integrated with a 5 amp power station, UTP panel and cables. Additionally, I purchase a separate power supply for the pro cab.  I also purchased a separate PB-5 amp booster that will give me a total 10 amps so I can run up to 10 loco.

The wiring of the pro cab and pb5 is my next challenge. I'm thinking they can both go into a wire terminal that separates into power sections. Or does the pro cab power station daisy chain into the pb5 then to the wire terminal?  That's what I need to find out. 

I'm going to take your advice and leave the circuit breakers off for the time being.  I purchased a buzzer that I will use when installing the track. I understand it will buzz if I install a feeder wire wrong.  

I am so new to DCC but very excited about the challenges and rewards. I appreciate your input.  

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 2:32 PM, dvollrath@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Vincent, I agree w/ Allan. Your layout can be handled easily with a single cab (the NCE ProCab) and a single 5 amp booster. But there must also be an NCE command station. Did you actually purchase an NCE ProwerPro wireless system that contains the command station (DCC brains) in the same box as the booster, and came with the ProCab hand-held throttle and plug-in power supply? The wireless system also comes with a wireless transmitter box and the ProCab should already have its part of the wireless transmitter built-in. Also get at least one  UTP universal plug panel for the NCE control bus for plug-in operation. You will need all those pieces.


For a single operator RR, separating your 8 x 12 layout into 6 circuit breaker power districts is overkill. Test your track and wiring as you build to prevent construction/connection issues. A single operator will easily know when and where derailments occur.

DonV   


Re: new dcc HO layout

Nick Ostrosky
 

I'm in a similar situation (rejoining the hobby after 35 years with zero knowledge of DCC) and will give you my two cents based on my last year wrestling with similar questions.

Circuit breakers: if you have them, use them.  They are intended to prevent more serious damage elsewhere (decoders, etc.).  I use PSX (PSX-AR for reversing routes), and they made my wiring much simpler to understand, and saved me from what could have been expensive repairs as I learned my DCC wiring.  Plus they reset themselves.

Blocks: I think less is more.  I originally had about 10 for my 12x15, but after getting help in this forum I cut it to six, plus two reversing blocks (wye and loop).  I split my main yard into two blocks (north and south) with a third for the reverse loop, and then at logical break points along the main (I have three switchbacks so they are each one block).

I have the NCE, but not wireless, and am loving it so far.  I'll let others comment on your power requirements but from what you've said they sound about right from what I've read.

Re: new dcc HO layout

 

Hopefully this is not out of line as I am new to this group.  I have created a low cost alternative to active circuit breakers that you might be interested in.

http://voltscooter.com/?page_id=134

Ken Harstine
413-250-8298

Re: new dcc HO layout

vincent marino
 

thanks Nick I appreciate your "2 cents". I'm going to get the layout figured out first then go to the wiring so I have a few weeks if not months before I get there. I appreciate all you guys giving me your opinion. 

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
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904-260-7663 office
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 9:16 AM, nick79ostr@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

I'm in a similar situation (rejoining the hobby after 35 years with zero knowledge of DCC) and will give you my two cents based on my last year wrestling with similar questions.


Circuit breakers: if you have them, use them.  They are intended to prevent more serious damage elsewhere (decoders, etc.).  I use PSX (PSX-AR for reversing routes), and they made my wiring much simpler to understand, and saved me from what could have been expensive repairs as I learned my DCC wiring.  Plus they reset themselves.

Blocks: I think less is more.  I originally had about 10 for my 12x15, but after getting help in this forum I cut it to six, plus two reversing blocks (wye and loop).  I split my main yard into two blocks (north and south) with a third for the reverse loop, and then at logical break points along the main (I have three switchbacks so they are each one block).

I have the NCE, but not wireless, and am loving it so far.  I'll let others comment on your power requirements but from what you've said they sound about right from what I've read.


Re: new dcc HO layout

Blair & Rasa
 

Vincent

I'm not an NCE user, but here goes.  If you have two devices, each of which can provide 5 Amps to power your trains, you may not merge the DCS and DB booster outputs before splitting off to the various blocks.   You'll damage the booster or the command station, or both.  They need to be kept completely separate all the way to the rails; this is the same whether you're using NCE, or Digitrax.  It's the same as having two power amplifiers for your stereo - you can't just tie the outputs together and get twice as much wattage. 

As for the buzzer, what powers it?  Again, you should get in the habit of not wiring any energized item to your rails, so if you're going to use a buzzer to monitor for shorts, make sure you disconnect the DB/DCS before you start wiring.
Regards
Blair Smith

On 2018-01-06 16:34, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] wrote:
Don thanks for the advice. Yes I purchased the PH-PRO-R it comes with the command station integrated with a 5 amp power station, UTP panel and cables. Additionally, I purchase a separate power supply for the pro cab.  I also purchased a separate PB-5 amp booster that will give me a total 10 amps so I can run up to 10 loco.

The wiring of the pro cab and pb5 is my next challenge. I'm thinking they can both go into a wire terminal that separates into power sections. Or does the pro cab power station daisy chain into the pb5 then to the wire terminal?  That's what I need to find out. 

I'm going to take your advice and leave the circuit breakers off for the time being.  I purchased a buzzer that I will use when installing the track. I understand it will buzz if I install a feeder wire wrong.  

I am so new to DCC but very excited about the challenges and rewards. I appreciate your input.  

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 

Re: new dcc HO layout

Edward Sargent
 

If I’m following this correctly but if you separate the layout into power districts 5 amps are plenty unless you plan on having 10 engine consists. I have seen 9 engine consists pulling 140 cars using PB5s. Also unless I’m miss understanding 2 boosters don’t give you 10 amps. Also the cases of the boosters need to be bonded together.

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:33 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Re: new dcc HO layout

 

 

Vincent

I'm not an NCE user, but here goes.  If you have two devices, each of which can provide 5 Amps to power your trains, you may not merge the DCS and DB booster outputs before splitting off to the various blocks.   You'll damage the booster or the command station, or both.  They need to be kept completely separate all the way to the rails; this is the same whether you're using NCE, or Digitrax.  It's the same as having two power amplifiers for your stereo - you can't just tie the outputs together and get twice as much wattage. 

As for the buzzer, what powers it?  Again, you should get in the habit of not wiring any energized item to your rails, so if you're going to use a buzzer to monitor for shorts, make sure you disconnect the DB/DCS before you start wiring.
Regards
Blair Smith


On 2018-01-06 16:34, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] wrote:

Don thanks for the advice. Yes I purchased the PH-PRO-R it comes with the command station integrated with a 5 amp power station, UTP panel and cables. Additionally, I purchase a separate power supply for the pro cab.  I also purchased a separate PB-5 amp booster that will give me a total 10 amps so I can run up to 10 loco.

 

The wiring of the pro cab and pb5 is my next challenge. I'm thinking they can both go into a wire terminal that separates into power sections. Or does the pro cab power station daisy chain into the pb5 then to the wire terminal?  That's what I need to find out. 

 

I'm going to take your advice and leave the circuit breakers off for the time being.  I purchased a buzzer that I will use when installing the track. I understand it will buzz if I install a feeder wire wrong.  

 

I am so new to DCC but very excited about the challenges and rewards. I appreciate your input.  


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

 

Re: new dcc HO layout

vincent marino
 

Blair thank you. The buzzer is powered by a 9volt battery. I don't have power to the track.

After reading the pro cab r and booster manuals again I could swear the pro cab command station control bus connects to the power booster then from the power booster to the track or wire terminals. I need some experienced guidance before I even think about hooking this up.  

thanks guys

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Blair & Rasa smithbr@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Vincent

I'm not an NCE user, but here goes.  If you have two devices, each of which can provide 5 Amps to power your trains, you may not merge the DCS and DB booster outputs before splitting off to the various blocks.   You'll damage the booster or the command station, or both.  They need to be kept completely separate all the way to the rails; this is the same whether you're using NCE, or Digitrax.  It's the same as having two power amplifiers for your stereo - you can't just tie the outputs together and get twice as much wattage. 

As for the buzzer, what powers it?  Again, you should get in the habit of not wiring any energized item to your rails, so if you're going to use a buzzer to monitor for shorts, make sure you disconnect the DB/DCS before you start wiring.
Regards
Blair Smith

On 2018-01-06 16:34, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] wrote:
Don thanks for the advice. Yes I purchased the PH-PRO-R it comes with the command station integrated with a 5 amp power station, UTP panel and cables. Additionally, I purchase a separate power supply for the pro cab.  I also purchased a separate PB-5 amp booster that will give me a total 10 amps so I can run up to 10 loco.

The wiring of the pro cab and pb5 is my next challenge. I'm thinking they can both go into a wire terminal that separates into power sections. Or does the pro cab power station daisy chain into the pb5 then to the wire terminal?  That's what I need to find out. 

I'm going to take your advice and leave the circuit breakers off for the time being.  I purchased a buzzer that I will use when installing the track. I understand it will buzz if I install a feeder wire wrong.  

I am so new to DCC but very excited about the challenges and rewards. I appreciate your input.  

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
 


Re: new dcc HO layout

vincent marino
 

Hi Ed,

the pro cab r has a 5amp control station and the pb5 power booster is also 5amps. Doesn't that provide a total of 10 amps or am I missing something?  Yes I want the capacity to run >10 loco without a power deficiency. 

What exactly do you mean "Also the cases of the boosters need to be bonded together."?

thanks

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 2:22 PM, 'Ed Sargent' ed_sargent@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

If I’m following this correctly but if you separate the layout into power districts 5 amps are plenty unless you plan on having 10 engine consists. I have seen 9 engine consists pulling 140 cars using PB5s. Also unless I’m miss understanding 2 boosters don’t give you 10 amps. Also the cases of the boosters need to be bonded together.

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 11:33 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Re: new dcc HO layout

 

 

Vincent

I'm not an NCE user, but here goes.  If you have two devices, each of which can provide 5 Amps to power your trains, you may not merge the DCS and DB booster outputs before splitting off to the various blocks.   You'll damage the booster or the command station, or both.  They need to be kept completely separate all the way to the rails; this is the same whether you're using NCE, or Digitrax.  It's the same as having two power amplifiers for your stereo - you can't just tie the outputs together and get twice as much wattage. 

As for the buzzer, what powers it?  Again, you should get in the habit of not wiring any energized item to your rails, so if you're going to use a buzzer to monitor for shorts, make sure you disconnect the DB/DCS before you start wiring..
Regards
Blair Smith


On 2018-01-06 16:34, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] wrote:

Don thanks for the advice. Yes I purchased the PH-PRO-R it comes with the command station integrated with a 5 amp power station, UTP panel and cables. Additionally, I purchase a separate power supply for the pro cab.  I also purchased a separate PB-5 amp booster that will give me a total 10 amps so I can run up to 10 loco.

 

The wiring of the pro cab and pb5 is my next challenge. I'm thinking they can both go into a wire terminal that separates into power sections. Or does the pro cab power station daisy chain into the pb5 then to the wire terminal?  That's what I need to find out.. 

 

I'm going to take your advice and leave the circuit breakers off for the time being.  I purchased a buzzer that I will use when installing the track. I understand it will buzz if I install a feeder wire wrong..  

 

I am so new to DCC but very excited about the challenges and rewards. I appreciate your input.  


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

 

 


Re: new dcc HO layout

Blair & Rasa
 

Vincent

I'd prefer some experienced NCE users to chip in here; my world is Digitrax.  If no one does, I can try to sort the NCE manual for you; I'm sure it's not as bad as the Digitrax one, so there is hope...

Blair



On 2018-01-07 14:34, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] wrote:
ean "Also the cases of the boosters nee

Re: new dcc HO layout

Blair & Rasa
 

Vincent,

As for the number of engines, what matters is how many you'll be running at any one time.  With a basic oval 5x12, you'd have about 30' of track; assuming double track, you might, if you're ambitious, run 4 two-unit trains, though they'd be nose-to-tail. Add to that a switcher pair on a side track, and you might approach 10 engines running, though it'd be congested as heck. You really don't need the booster, unless you plan to significantly expand beyond the 5x12 in the near future; the only other power consumer might be accessories like signals and switch controllers, but none of those will take much for a 5x12.

Blair

Re: Older Shinohara Turnouts

Alan Cushing
 

Hi,
   About 25 years ago, I built a 12x14 layout wired for two throttles.  Maybe 10 years ago, I switched one throttle to DCC.  The layout used Walthers (Shinohara I believe) code 83 turnouts.  The main line used Tortoise machines while the yard, and a few sidings, used hand throws using the power-routing built into the turnouts.  I did have one switch, the yard throat, that refused to power route.  For that I substituted an electric caboose throw (220S).  Everything worked fine.  Each switch had the frog rails isolated.  The frog and its rails were switched either by its own power routing, by a caboose throw, or by contacts within the tortoise machines.

   I only had two DCC throttles so I never worried by power districts or seperate circuit breakers.

   Recently I have moved, put part of the old layout into storage, and am waiting for a new layout room to be built.  I purchased a 3-way Walthers DCC-compatible turnout to put into a logging siding.  Whoooaaa!  This is a new switch;  it requires external power routing, things just got way too complicated.  The basic caboose throw seems obsolete as it provides no power routing.  I suppose a frog juicer would do it but at $15/frog.  I was hoping to simplify the new layout design using more hand throws, less machines and control panels.  Where are we going?  What does a beginner with a small layout do?

   Alan