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AWG vs MM

Blayne & Anne
 

Can anyone give me the mm conversion of 12 AWG?

AWG vs MM

Blayne & Anne
 

Can anyone tell me the MM equivalent of 12AWG? And I forget to sign my name before Blayne Olsen

Re: Booster Networking

Mark Gurries
 

Cat 5 or low voltage wiring will work.  The bus is often called the "command bus" or "control bus".   Booster input do not draw much input power of any consequence.  So you can connect as many boosters in parallel as you need and distribute them around the layout to keep the track bus wiring length to 30Ft or less.

On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:02 PM, <mcflie1994@...> <mcflie1994@...> wrote:



Alright so there is a seperate "bus" for the dcc commands from the command station to the booster inputs. What gauge wiring would be recommended? Or would regular low voltage wiring like that found in telephone wire or cat 5 cable work?

~Martin 


Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



Re: Booster Networking

Flash Gordon
 

Cat 5 is twisted.... a plus...

Ed S

At 12:02 AM 4/8/2014, you wrote:
Telephone or cat5 wiring is fine.

DonV
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2014, at 11:00 PM, "mcflie1994@...<mailto:mcflie1994@...>" <mcflie1994@...<mailto:mcflie1994@...>> wrote:



Alright, so there is a separate control bus carrying the lower current DCC signal. For this bus, what gauge of wire would be recomended? Would standard low voltage wiring like that of a telephone or cat 5 cable work or do i want something in the guise of 24 or some other gauge? Thanks

~Martin

Re: Booster Networking

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

Telephone or cat5 wiring is fine.

DonV

On Apr 7, 2014, at 11:00 PM, "mcflie1994@...<mailto:mcflie1994@...>" <mcflie1994@...<mailto:mcflie1994@...>> wrote:



Alright, so there is a separate control bus carrying the lower current DCC signal. For this bus, what gauge of wire would be recomended? Would standard low voltage wiring like that of a telephone or cat 5 cable work or do i want something in the guise of 24 or some other gauge? Thanks

~Martin

Re: Booster Networking

mcflie1994@...
 

Alright, so there is a separate control bus carrying the lower current DCC signal. For this bus, what gauge of wire would be recomended? Would standard low voltage wiring like that of a telephone or cat 5 cable work or do i want something in the guise of 24 or some other gauge? Thanks

~Martin

Re: Booster Networking

mcflie1994@...
 

Alright so there is a seperate "bus" for the dcc commands from the command station to the booster inputs. What gauge wiring would be recommended? Or would regular low voltage wiring like that found in telephone wire or cat 5 cable work?

~Martin

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

David Heine <davesn3@...>
 

Some decoders have a SUSI Interface (Serial User Standard Interface) that can be used to send motor load information from a motor decoder to a sound decoder.  The only manufacturer that I know of that makes a sound only decoders using the SUSI interface is Dietz, which I believe is also rebadged by Uhlenbrock.  Several manufacturers make motor decoders with the SUSI interface included.

 

Dave Heine

Easton, PA

 

 

 

 

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

Flash Gordon
 

Len,

I guess when i said consist I thought you did give them the same address..... but I have a really old command station.

Ed

At 08:04 PM 4/7/2014, you wrote:


Ed,

I'm curious. Why consist a separate motor and sound decoder? Normally you give both the same address. Care has to be taken when programming as not to overwrite one over the other. Better decoders have a lock feature for this.

If Im not mistaken, a consist is for 2 motor decoders in 2 locomotives for both to operate in unison.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

Len Jaskiewicz


Could you program the two decodes in a consist mode?

Ed S

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

jazzmanlj
 

Ed,

I'm curious. Why consist a separate motor and sound decoder? Normally you give both the same address. Care has to be taken when programming as not to overwrite one over the other. Better decoders have a lock feature for this.

If Im not mistaken, a consist is for 2 motor decoders in 2 locomotives for both to operate in unison.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

Len Jaskiewicz


Could you program the two decodes in a consist mode?

Ed S

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

jazzmanlj
 

I started on the 2 decoder path and found that for good quality sound and motor decoders the cost is far greater than one combined. I bought a Tsunami 1000 sound for light steam and found it dissapointing. The Pheonix is probably good but comes in at about $200, but you still need the motor and other functions.

For the $200 range you can get high power Zimo MX695 with 10W of audio power and fantastic sound or the QSI Magnums. Both can handle 6A or more.

The Zimo MX645 handles 1.2A motor current continuous, 3W of audio power and is in the $100 range.

I have large scale Bachmann's and have 1 QSI and the rest Zimo's. The MX695's in the larger units like the K27,Mallet and Shay, while in the smaller loco's the MX645 is quite adequate.

Good quality speakers are needed and I've found Visaton to be bhe best. Available from Partsexpress.com discounted.

Len Jaskiewicz

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

jazzmanlj
 

Bill,

You should look into Zimo decoders. If your current draw is an amp or so the MX645 family is excellent buy for about $90. They are quite sophisticated for motor control and the sound is superb. I have some in my lower current draw G scale Bachmann's.

 

Len Jaskiewicz

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

Flash Gordon
 

Could you program the two decodes in a consist mode?

Ed S

At 12:47 PM 4/7/2014, you wrote:


The problem with that, Bill, is that many of the
engine sounds are coordinated with speed control
of the motor. You can add a sound decoder and
fiddle with the CVs of both units to coordinate
the sound with motor commands to accelerate and
decelerate to the commanded speed, but you still
will not have some of the load controlled
features. AND… you would be spending the same
amount of money, now for two decoders in the
same loco. Why not pull the motor only decoder
out and install a full blown sound decoder to
control both motor and sound, then use the motor only decoder somewhere else?



However, with O scale you may have a valid point
that a sound decoder capable of handling the
ampere demand of your loco may not be available.
Or, if one is available it may be significantly
more expensive. In that case you could add sound
by adding a lower cost sound unit of your choice
while leaving the present motor control intact.
With smaller scales, there may not be enough
room to have two decoders and a speaker.

DonV

Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

Bill><>
 

Thanks for your reply Don.
What I already have are 8   D408SR’s  4 amp  8 function (Now I see why people are unloading them!).
What other uses are there for these except in engines?
    I am just getting started at age 70 so these things are tough to get through a half dead brain, haha!
    I got an incredible deal on A-B-A sharks and A-B-A FA’s (from the NYC historical society), I am thinking I would have sound in the A units but just a decoder w/o sound in the B units, as well as 3 sets of F units with A-B and not have sound in those B’s.
Many thanks.
Bill Kozel
NYC Adirondack Branch, Rutland, D&H
 

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Adding sound to existing silent older decoders
 
 

The problem with that, Bill, is that many of the engine sounds are coordinated with speed control of the motor. You can add a sound decoder and fiddle with the CVs of both units to coordinate the sound with motor commands to accelerate and decelerate to the commanded speed, but you still will not have some of the load controlled features. AND… you would be spending the same amount of money, now for two decoders in the same loco. Why not pull the motor only decoder out and install a full blown sound decoder to control both motor and sound, then use the motor only decoder somewhere else?

However, with O scale you may have a valid point that a sound decoder capable of handling the ampere demand of your loco may not be available. Or, if one is available it may be significantly more expensive. In that case you could add sound by adding a lower cost sound unit of your choice while leaving the present motor control intact. With smaller scales, there may not be enough room to have two decoders and a speaker.

DonV

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of madog
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:16 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Adding sound to existing silent older decoders




Another aspect, I already have DCC decoders without sound.  Is it possible to add just sound to that existing silent DCC decoder?  That would save a lot of money to be able to use the existing silent decoder already installed.

I am in 2 rail O scale so no problem with adding parts needed.

Bill Kozel

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM

Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC]

 

Gary,

You can certainly install a simple decoder first and change it out for a sound unit later. The biggest challenge besides the $$ for installing a sound decoder is where and how to put the speaker. The challenge for installing a motor & lights only decoder is whether or not the loco has room (usually does) and how to convert the internal wiring to DCC standards. Most newer locos are somewhat DCC friendly. Older locos need  a lot of careful work to be retrofitted with a DCC decoder. If you are not that handy with electrical/electronics, my advice would be to find a friend who is willing to help by showing you how to do the evaluation and installation. Ask the clerk at the local hobby shop if he/she knows someone that might do that. Also enquire with local club or NMRA members for assistance. A little shared assistance goes a long way toward promoting the hobby. That’s why most of us are here.

DonV 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Gary Johnson
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:59 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC]





Hello List Members,

I have 3 locomotive that each have DCC sound in them.  I had a professional do each one of them.  I have 3 more locomotives that I'd like to put DCC Sound in.  My question to all of you is, can I put a 4 function decoder in them, and then later on I could put the sound in them?  I really have no electronic skills or the money to buy the sound decoders up front.  I guess I hat I'm asking is, can I make this a 2 step project first a decoder and then the sound?

Gary Johnson

Pleasant Grove, UT

cstpmo.modeler@...








Re: Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

The problem with that, Bill, is that many of the engine sounds are coordinated with speed control of the motor. You can add a sound decoder and fiddle with the CVs of both units to coordinate the sound with motor commands to accelerate and decelerate to the commanded speed, but you still will not have some of the load controlled features. AND… you would be spending the same amount of money, now for two decoders in the same loco. Why not pull the motor only decoder out and install a full blown sound decoder to control both motor and sound, then use the motor only decoder somewhere else?

 

However, with O scale you may have a valid point that a sound decoder capable of handling the ampere demand of your loco may not be available. Or, if one is available it may be significantly more expensive. In that case you could add sound by adding a lower cost sound unit of your choice while leaving the present motor control intact. With smaller scales, there may not be enough room to have two decoders and a speaker.

DonV

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of madog
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:16 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

 




Another aspect, I already have DCC decoders without sound.  Is it possible to add just sound to that existing silent DCC decoder?  That would save a lot of money to be able to use the existing silent decoder already installed.

I am in 2 rail O scale so no problem with adding parts needed.

Bill Kozel

 

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM

Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC]

 

 

Gary,

You can certainly install a simple decoder first and change it out for a sound unit later. The biggest challenge besides the $$ for installing a sound decoder is where and how to put the speaker. The challenge for installing a motor & lights only decoder is whether or not the loco has room (usually does) and how to convert the internal wiring to DCC standards. Most newer locos are somewhat DCC friendly. Older locos need  a lot of careful work to be retrofitted with a DCC decoder. If you are not that handy with electrical/electronics, my advice would be to find a friend who is willing to help by showing you how to do the evaluation and installation. Ask the clerk at the local hobby shop if he/she knows someone that might do that. Also enquire with local club or NMRA members for assistance. A little shared assistance goes a long way toward promoting the hobby. That’s why most of us are here.

DonV 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Gary Johnson
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:59 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC]





Hello List Members,

I have 3 locomotive that each have DCC sound in them.  I had a professional do each one of them.  I have 3 more locomotives that I'd like to put DCC Sound in.  My question to all of you is, can I put a 4 function decoder in them, and then later on I could put the sound in them?  I really have no electronic skills or the money to buy the sound decoders up front.  I guess I hat I'm asking is, can I make this a 2 step project first a decoder and then the sound?

Gary Johnson

Pleasant Grove, UT

cstpmo.modeler@...








Adding sound to existing silent older decoders

Bill><>
 

Another aspect, I already have DCC decoders without sound.  Is it possible to add just sound to that existing silent DCC decoder?  That would save a lot of money to be able to use the existing silent decoder already installed.
I am in 2 rail O scale so no problem with adding parts needed.
Bill Kozel
 

Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC]
 
 

Gary,

You can certainly install a simple decoder first and change it out for a sound unit later. The biggest challenge besides the $$ for installing a sound decoder is where and how to put the speaker. The challenge for installing a motor & lights only decoder is whether or not the loco has room (usually does) and how to convert the internal wiring to DCC standards. Most newer locos are somewhat DCC friendly. Older locos need  a lot of careful work to be retrofitted with a DCC decoder. If you are not that handy with electrical/electronics, my advice would be to find a friend who is willing to help by showing you how to do the evaluation and installation. Ask the clerk at the local hobby shop if he/she knows someone that might do that. Also enquire with local club or NMRA members for assistance. A little shared assistance goes a long way toward promoting the hobby. That’s why most of us are here.

DonV 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Gary Johnson
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:59 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC]




Hello List Members,

I have 3 locomotive that each have DCC sound in them.  I had a professional do each one of them.  I have 3 more locomotives that I'd like to put DCC Sound in.  My question to all of you is, can I put a 4 function decoder in them, and then later on I could put the sound in them?  I really have no electronic skills or the money to buy the sound decoders up front.  I guess I hat I'm asking is, can I make this a 2 step project first a decoder and then the sound?

Gary Johnson

Pleasant Grove, UT

cstpmo.modeler@...




(No subject)

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

Gary,

You can certainly install a simple decoder first and change it out for a sound unit later. The biggest challenge besides the $$ for installing a sound decoder is where and how to put the speaker. The challenge for installing a motor & lights only decoder is whether or not the loco has room (usually does) and how to convert the internal wiring to DCC standards. Most newer locos are somewhat DCC friendly. Older locos need  a lot of careful work to be retrofitted with a DCC decoder. If you are not that handy with electrical/electronics, my advice would be to find a friend who is willing to help by showing you how to do the evaluation and installation. Ask the clerk at the local hobby shop if he/she knows someone that might do that. Also enquire with local club or NMRA members for assistance. A little shared assistance goes a long way toward promoting the hobby. That’s why most of us are here.

DonV  

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Gary Johnson
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 10:59 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC]

 




Hello List Members,

 

I have 3 locomotive that each have DCC sound in them.  I had a professional do each one of them.  I have 3 more locomotives that I'd like to put DCC Sound in.  My question to all of you is, can I put a 4 function decoder in them, and then later on I could put the sound in them?  I really have no electronic skills or the money to buy the sound decoders up front.  I guess I hat I'm asking is, can I make this a 2 step project first a decoder and then the sound?

 

Gary Johnson

Pleasant Grove, UT

cstpmo.modeler@...




(No subject)

Gary Johnson
 

Hello List Members,

 

I have 3 locomotive that each have DCC sound in them.  I had a professional do each one of them.  I have 3 more locomotives that I'd like to put DCC Sound in.  My question to all of you is, can I put a 4 function decoder in them, and then later on I could put the sound in them?  I really have no electronic skills or the money to buy the sound decoders up front.  I guess I hat I'm asking is, can I make this a 2 step project first a decoder and then the sound?

 

Gary Johnson

Pleasant Grove, UT

cstpmo.modeler@...

Re: Booster Networking

William Teeters <cozyflyr9398@...>
 

Use a Booster for each section. Make sure each section is isolated from each other. I have a command station and six boosters set up this way. Runs perfect. Trying to hook them together leads to a lot of grief. If in doubt how to do this, there is a simple diagram in the Digitrax Book. Good luck, Bill Teeters



From: "len.jask@..."
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 5:08 PM
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Booster Networking

 
I’m planning my model’s layout and have been reading your site, what is unclear to me is the input for the boosters. If I want a new booster district do I need a bus for the booster inputs as well or can I pull the booster inputs off the main track bus of another booster. From everything I have seen this would potentially cause booster fighting but no website I have found has mentioned how to provide input to multiple boosters. Thank you for your help and patience.
>
This is where the site has good diagrams and explanations of terminology. Control bus and track bus are 2 different animals. Contril bus is smart and tells the booster what to do. Power bus is is stupid. Keep them sepatared.
Len


Re: Booster Networking

jazzmanlj
 

I’m planning my model’s layout and have been reading your site, what is unclear to me is the input for the boosters. If I want a new booster district do I need a bus for the booster inputs as well or can I pull the booster inputs off the main track bus of another booster. From everything I have seen this would potentially cause booster fighting but no website I have found has mentioned how to provide input to multiple boosters. Thank you for your help and patience.
>

This is where the site has good diagrams and explanations of terminology. Control bus and track bus are 2 different animals. Contril bus is smart and tells the booster what to do. Power bus is is stupid. Keep them sepatared.

Len