Date   
Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Brian Eiland
 

Yesterday I discovered a problem with some of my NEW Peco crossovers. Four of my new Pecos had problems,...2 had plastic joiners in a few of the tracks had 'dips' in them, and 2 of them had little tip projections into the flangeway.

These were discovered when I experimenting with running a model 6 axle tender over them. Granted the flanges on these wheels were ever so larger than standards these days, but it was just enough to cause them to bump way up in the air as they encountered these blips in the flangeways. And I double rechecked the gauge on these wheel sets, and they were right on.

 


 

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Brian Eiland
 

OK found that posting here,..

Yesterday I discovered a problem with some of my NEW Peco crossings. Four of my new Pecos had problems,...2 had plastic joiners in a few of the tracks had 'dips' in them, and 2 of them had little tip projections into the flangeway.

These were discovered when I experimenting with running a model 6 axle tender over them. Granted the flanges on these wheels were ever so larger than standards these days, but it was just enough to cause them to bump way up in the air as they encountered these blips in the flangeways. And I double rechecked the gauge on these wheel sets, and they were right on.

 


 


Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Jennifer Lobo
 

Hi Dan: I only have one loco that causes a short when running over the Peco crossing. As I stated earlier I used OP SW 18 set to C to solve my problem...on a DCS51.

Geoff Clarke


On Monday, November 18, 2019, 02:39:00 p.m. EST, Daniel Brewer <drbnd@...> wrote:


Take the time to review my original post, Brian...They are all new locos and they are in gauge. My NMRA Guage works quite well. Also, PECO acknowledged the problem. 

dan

Re: Nn3

Michael Snyder
 

just to be clear, although the scale is equal, the gauge is not and therefore the Nn3 rolling stock does not fit N scale track?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:37 AM Glenn <ghazel@...> wrote:
Yes and no.

As far as scale goes, both are 1:160.

N-gauge is 9mm gauge, Nn3 is 6.5mm, the same as Z-gauge.

There is a small group of manufacturer out there:

MicroTrains

Also check out NN3.org

Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Snyder
Sent: Nov 18, 2019 9:45 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Nn3

Are N gauage and Nn3 equivalent?

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Daniel Brewer
 

Take the time to review my original post, Brian...They are all new locos and they are in gauge. My NMRA Guage works quite well. Also, PECO acknowledged the problem. 

dan

Re: Nn3

Glenn
 

Yes and no.

As far as scale goes, both are 1:160.

N-gauge is 9mm gauge, Nn3 is 6.5mm, the same as Z-gauge.

There is a small group of manufacturer out there:
Republic Locomotive Works -- https://www.republiclocomotiveworks.com/index.php

MicroTrains

Also check out NN3.org

Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Snyder
Sent: Nov 18, 2019 9:45 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Nn3

Are N gauage and Nn3 equivalent?
_._,_._,_

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Jennifer Lobo
 

Extending the short circuit time on my DCS51 still solved MY problem. OP switch 18 to C.

Geoff Clarke


On Monday, November 18, 2019, 09:43:38 a.m. EST, Brian Eiland <railandsail@...> wrote:


I had a whole bunch of these crossings from Peco, and discovered a manufacturing defect in them that readily allowed them to short out when using wheels of bit to wide. It occurred on about half of my inventory.

I wrote about it and provided some photos,...BUT I can seem to find that forum posting at this time. I believe it was over here on MRH

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Brian Lewis
 

How can this possibly be a manufacturing fault? If your wheels are out of gauge, then what else can you expect?  I suggest you invest in an accurate back to back gauge.

(And has this anything to doing with wiring for DCC)?

On 18/11/2019 14:43, Brian Eiland wrote:
I had a whole bunch of these crossings from Peco, and discovered a manufacturing defect in them that readily allowed them to short out when using wheels of bit to wide. It occurred on about half of my inventory.

I wrote about it and provided some photos,...BUT I can seem to find that forum posting at this time. I believe it was over here on MRH

_._,_._,_
--

Regards and thanks

 

Brian Lewis

Nn3

Michael Snyder
 

Are N gauage and Nn3 equivalent?

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Brian Eiland
 

I had a whole bunch of these crossings from Peco, and discovered a manufacturing defect in them that readily allowed them to short out when using wheels of bit to wide. It occurred on about half of my inventory.

I wrote about it and provided some photos,...BUT I can seem to find that forum posting at this time. I believe it was over here on MRH

Re: Walthers lighted passenger cars

Vincent Ficca
 

Hi Jerry:

I am building a large layout and have not had any problems with walthers passenger cars with lights (UP), going through blocks that are protected with NCE EB1 breakers.  I never seen a problem with lighted cars at the club layout I belong to.  You can go the web site and see if any information could be helpful.  "www.pacificsouthern.org"  I will ask some club members who understand electronics at a high level.

Regards,

Vince
 

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:05 AM Jerry Michels <gjmichels53@...> wrote:
Don,

Our problem is not a reversing loop, it is on the mainline as the cars cross from one block t another.  Thanks.

Jerry

Re: Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Blair & Rasa
 

Thank you, John, that is the information I need; we'll proceed on this basis.  He'll have to address his programming needs elsewise - finds JMRI too confusing. 
Regards
Blair
Building the 1980 Algoma Central in HO

On 2019-11-12 12:05, John M Wallis wrote:

Hi Blair:

 

Yes, JMRI can handle, but you would have to connect to JMRI separately and with the DCS50 as a command station.

 

Connect a LocoNet cable from the interface to the computer to the DCS50 and set the JMRI preferences for the DCS50. Then you can set the OpSws, setting the OpSw #2 = “c” last. Once you set the DCS50 to be a Booster you cannot then change other parameters.

 

Regards,

 

 

John

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Blair & Rasa
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 11:39 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

 

Thanks, John.  I won't put another booster on the Christmas list, then.  Thanks, also, for those opsw pointers.

Would you know if JMRI could be used to manage this config?  I'd like to have as many devices as possible all under one roof, accessed through the throttle network.

Regards,

Blair

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: John M Wallis <wallisjm@...>

Date: 2019-11-12 10:12 (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

 

Hi Blair:

Yes, you can do what you suggest.

The DCS50 does function well as a 2.5 Amp Booster; set OpSw #2 = "c". Yes, you can still use the throttle on the DCS50.

For interfacing with a PM42 you can set the DCS50 to 1/2 second shutdown so the PM42 will trip first; set OpSw #18 = "c".

When set as a Booster the programming function of the DCS50 is turned off.

Hope this helps.


John Wallis

-----Original Message-----
From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Blair & Rasa
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:52 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Hi
As my RR grows, I find I have need for more booster current than I get from my single DCS100.  The expansion plan moves to three boosters (counting the DCS100), plus a location for a fourth.  That fourth one is the focus of this email.  While it logically is one booster due to location, I could as easily break it's function into two lower power boosters.  I have available to me two DCS50 units in good condition, which I'd like to utilize; they will each feed two sections of a PM42, for the moment, until such time as Santa delivers solid state power management.  Here's my questions:
- does the DCS50 function well as a booster?
- can the built in throttle still be used on the loconet network, for example as a yard throttle?
- are there any things to beware of when doing this?  (i.e. is there a trip speed issue, or other limitation, between the PM42 and the DCS50?) I see nothing useful in the Digitrax literature.
- I think I determined in the past (on the Digitrax list?) that the programming track output of the Zephyr is not usable when configured as a booster, but could someone confirm that?  My CPR operator would like to "do his own thing".

Thanks in advance!
Blair Smith
-







Re: Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

John M Wallis
 

Hi Blair:

 

Yes, JMRI can handle, but you would have to connect to JMRI separately and with the DCS50 as a command station.

 

Connect a LocoNet cable from the interface to the computer to the DCS50 and set the JMRI preferences for the DCS50. Then you can set the OpSws, setting the OpSw #2 = “c” last. Once you set the DCS50 to be a Booster you cannot then change other parameters.

 

Regards,

 

 

John

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Blair & Rasa
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 11:39 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

 

Thanks, John.  I won't put another booster on the Christmas list, then.  Thanks, also, for those opsw pointers.

Would you know if JMRI could be used to manage this config?  I'd like to have as many devices as possible all under one roof, accessed through the throttle network.

Regards,

Blair

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: John M Wallis <wallisjm@...>

Date: 2019-11-12 10:12 (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

 

Hi Blair:

Yes, you can do what you suggest.

The DCS50 does function well as a 2.5 Amp Booster; set OpSw #2 = "c". Yes, you can still use the throttle on the DCS50.

For interfacing with a PM42 you can set the DCS50 to 1/2 second shutdown so the PM42 will trip first; set OpSw #18 = "c".

When set as a Booster the programming function of the DCS50 is turned off.

Hope this helps.


John Wallis

-----Original Message-----
From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Blair & Rasa
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:52 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Hi
As my RR grows, I find I have need for more booster current than I get from my single DCS100.  The expansion plan moves to three boosters (counting the DCS100), plus a location for a fourth.  That fourth one is the focus of this email.  While it logically is one booster due to location, I could as easily break it's function into two lower power boosters.  I have available to me two DCS50 units in good condition, which I'd like to utilize; they will each feed two sections of a PM42, for the moment, until such time as Santa delivers solid state power management.  Here's my questions:
- does the DCS50 function well as a booster?
- can the built in throttle still be used on the loconet network, for example as a yard throttle?
- are there any things to beware of when doing this?  (i.e. is there a trip speed issue, or other limitation, between the PM42 and the DCS50?) I see nothing useful in the Digitrax literature.
- I think I determined in the past (on the Digitrax list?) that the programming track output of the Zephyr is not usable when configured as a booster, but could someone confirm that?  My CPR operator would like to "do his own thing".

Thanks in advance!
Blair Smith
-






Re: Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Blair & Rasa
 

Thanks, John.  I won't put another booster on the Christmas list, then.  Thanks, also, for those opsw pointers.
Would you know if JMRI could be used to manage this config?  I'd like to have as many devices as possible all under one roof, accessed through the throttle network.
Regards,
Blair



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: John M Wallis <wallisjm@...>
Date: 2019-11-12 10:12 (GMT-05:00)
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Hi Blair:

Yes, you can do what you suggest.

The DCS50 does function well as a 2.5 Amp Booster; set OpSw #2 = "c". Yes, you can still use the throttle on the DCS50.

For interfacing with a PM42 you can set the DCS50 to 1/2 second shutdown so the PM42 will trip first; set OpSw #18 = "c".

When set as a Booster the programming function of the DCS50 is turned off.

Hope this helps.


John Wallis

-----Original Message-----
From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Blair & Rasa
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:52 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Hi
As my RR grows, I find I have need for more booster current than I get from my single DCS100.  The expansion plan moves to three boosters (counting the DCS100), plus a location for a fourth.  That fourth one is the focus of this email.  While it logically is one booster due to location, I could as easily break it's function into two lower power boosters.  I have available to me two DCS50 units in good condition, which I'd like to utilize; they will each feed two sections of a PM42, for the moment, until such time as Santa delivers solid state power management.  Here's my questions:
- does the DCS50 function well as a booster?
- can the built in throttle still be used on the loconet network, for example as a yard throttle?
- are there any things to beware of when doing this?  (i.e. is there a trip speed issue, or other limitation, between the PM42 and the DCS50?) I see nothing useful in the Digitrax literature.
- I think I determined in the past (on the Digitrax list?) that the programming track output of the Zephyr is not usable when configured as a booster, but could someone confirm that?  My CPR operator would like to "do his own thing".

Thanks in advance!
Blair Smith
-







Re: Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

John M Wallis
 

Hi Blair:

Yes, you can do what you suggest.

The DCS50 does function well as a 2.5 Amp Booster; set OpSw #2 = "c". Yes, you can still use the throttle on the DCS50.

For interfacing with a PM42 you can set the DCS50 to 1/2 second shutdown so the PM42 will trip first; set OpSw #18 = "c".

When set as a Booster the programming function of the DCS50 is turned off.

Hope this helps.


John Wallis

-----Original Message-----
From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Blair & Rasa
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:52 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Hi
As my RR grows, I find I have need for more booster current than I get from my single DCS100. The expansion plan moves to three boosters (counting the DCS100), plus a location for a fourth. That fourth one is the focus of this email. While it logically is one booster due to location, I could as easily break it's function into two lower power boosters. I have available to me two DCS50 units in good condition, which I'd like to utilize; they will each feed two sections of a PM42, for the moment, until such time as Santa delivers solid state power management. Here's my questions:
- does the DCS50 function well as a booster?
- can the built in throttle still be used on the loconet network, for example as a yard throttle?
- are there any things to beware of when doing this? (i.e. is there a trip speed issue, or other limitation, between the PM42 and the DCS50?) I see nothing useful in the Digitrax literature.
- I think I determined in the past (on the Digitrax list?) that the programming track output of the Zephyr is not usable when configured as a booster, but could someone confirm that? My CPR operator would like to "do his own thing".

Thanks in advance!
Blair Smith
-

Re: Walthers lighted passenger cars

Jerry Michels
 

Don,

Our problem is not a reversing loop, it is on the mainline as the cars cross from one block t another.  Thanks.

Jerry

Efficient utilization of aged equipment (Digitrax Specific)

Blair & Rasa
 

Hi
As my RR grows, I find I have need for more booster current than I get from my single DCS100. The expansion plan moves to three boosters (counting the DCS100), plus a location for a fourth. That fourth one is the focus of this email. While it logically is one booster due to location, I could as easily break it's function into two lower power boosters. I have available to me two DCS50 units in good condition, which I'd like to utilize; they will each feed two sections of a PM42, for the moment, until such time as Santa delivers solid state power management. Here's my questions:
- does the DCS50 function well as a booster?
- can the built in throttle still be used on the loconet network, for example as a yard throttle?
- are there any things to beware of when doing this? (i.e. is there a trip speed issue, or other limitation, between the PM42 and the DCS50?) I see nothing useful in the Digitrax literature.
- I think I determined in the past (on the Digitrax list?) that the programming track output of the Zephyr is not usable when configured as a booster, but could someone confirm that? My CPR operator would like to "do his own thing".

Thanks in advance!
Blair Smith
-

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Chuck Hart
 

Hi Dan, I use the TAM Valley dual frog juicer on my PECO crossing. Works like a champ. They have great products. I have many various juicers installed under my layout. See you Saturday.
Regards, Chuck

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Jennifer Lobo
 

I had the same issue. I believe I set OP switch 18 to C (closed) on my DCS51 to extend the short recognition time. It seems to have done the trick. BTW if you reset the DCS51 or command station back to factory defaults OP switch 39 to C you will have to do this again etc.

Geoff Clarke


On Monday, November 11, 2019, 07:25:58 p.m. EST, Daniel Brewer <drbnd@...> wrote:


I installed the Peco Code 100 crossing in an industrial area of my railroad. I've run 5 different brands of new locos through it, and they all short out. I have tested the wiring before, after, and inside the crossing and each rail reads the same on my VOM; ~15 volts. (NCE Command Station, 12Ga wire to all power district NCE Circuit breakers, 14Ga bus, 22Ga feeders, all feeders are correctly wired)

It has been suggested that a Dual Frog Juicer from Tam Valley will cure this shorting issue automatically.

Peco suggested front panel switches to power the route I want to power (jenky). 

Does anyone have a solution to this that would be automatic upon a train's entry into the crossing?

I've even thought of ripping it out and replacing it with two turnouts...ugh

Thanks in advance!

Dan

PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Daniel Brewer
 

I installed the Peco Code 100 crossing in an industrial area of my railroad. I've run 5 different brands of new locos through it, and they all short out. I have tested the wiring before, after, and inside the crossing and each rail reads the same on my VOM; ~15 volts. (NCE Command Station, 12Ga wire to all power district NCE Circuit breakers, 14Ga bus, 22Ga feeders, all feeders are correctly wired)

It has been suggested that a Dual Frog Juicer from Tam Valley will cure this shorting issue automatically.

Peco suggested front panel switches to power the route I want to power (jenky). 

Does anyone have a solution to this that would be automatic upon a train's entry into the crossing?

I've even thought of ripping it out and replacing it with two turnouts...ugh

Thanks in advance!

Dan