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Re: Converting to DCC

Mark Cartwright
 

Pete,
Good Luck in being able to do it "right the first time."
I did not.... Maybe.
I have owned at least 8 different DCC Control Systems, before eventually landing on the ESU ECoS; as the chosen one.
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This is not to say I have bad things to say about Digitrax, NCE, MRC or even Bachmann....Just my requirements of eventually running two large layout Systems; through many rooms throughout my house and connecting both - via a Central Bridge (Operational) between them.
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Actually there are various features of all the systems I particularly like....
With that said and not wanting to start a Political nor Religious Debate....
> Just a Heads Up...
Before making a final decision, I simply suggest viewing this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxjEciFr40
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With that said and viewed
Here are a few more debatable concerns.....
1. Clean Track !!!
which means a Clean Room.
My last house has a Basement...and Attic where I had planned to run N Scale in the Basement and HO in the Attic...Oops!
The Attic is too hot in the Summer and the Basement has too much humidity.
Warped and a near need to constantly clean the track HAD been an issue till I bought a different house just over a year ago..
2. DCC Resets and Glitches between the Controller and Decoder....
I now believe in soldering nearly everything with a further second conductivity system of drop down leads to a Central Buss.
Part of this also includes....ESU LokSound Decoders to a paired ESU Matched Controller.
>>> Sorry, not sure how to explain this...but I have decoders which respond and act very differently between even my Digitrax Chief and Digitrax Zypher.
Someone may contradict what I just said...and say they have never experienced such a phenomenon....
However, just this past week I sold one of my favorite HO Scale Models for it contrains the Paragon Sound Systems which though they may even be ESU or ? = I have witnessed such Paragon Systems not working well with my ECoS but working perfectly well with my MRC DCC Systems.
========>. Once I decided on my primary DCC System....
IF !?!?!  a Decoder any Decoder even an ESU Decoder, doesn't want to get along with my ECoS ....Poor Decoder....I sell it or trade it away.
There are simply too many distractions into this Century which I simply do not need.
:)) Mark

PS..It Is very easy to control Four Separate DCC Controlled Locomotives with sound with one ECoS (Dual Controls) and two wireless controllers.

Re: Converting to DCC

Paul O
 

Pete,
For each reverser unit, connect the input side to the red/blue tracks; connect the output side to the green tracks.

The location of isolators B, C and D can be anywhere within their short arcs of track.

Paul O

Re: Converting to DCC

Al Silverstein
 

Paul,
 
Hardware recommendations are often a matter of personal taste. All DCC systems do one thing and that is control the direction, speed, lighting and sound functions where features of the engines and the DCC system overlap. There are as many recommendations on what to include when even considering the conversion from DC to DCC. Only you can determine what to purchase for the satisfaction of your needs to handle the DCC operations of your model railroading empire. I generally do not provide hardware recommendations on hardware until I have a basic understanding of the individual requesting information. The long term goals of an individual have a lot to do with recommendations.
 
“More” is not always better. “More” is only better if your long term plans include the “more”.
 
But there is one recommendation that I do profess to any one that is converting from DC to DCC and that is to purchase a good general purpose book dealing with the general application of DCC. The book should present general DCC information in an easy to understand format and yet at the same time avoid any bias towards or against specific manufacturers.
 
So with the above said I do recommend the book “Practical Guide to Digital Command Control” by Larry Puckett and published by Carstens’ Publishing.
 
After reading a book like I just mention you should be making a dream list of everything DCC related that you would like to eventually include in your model railroad empire and make your choices of hardware that will allow you to reach your goal.
 
There are a number of good resources on Groups.io that can help you solve the problems you will incur along the way. This list handles the wiring of side of the DCC for your layout.
 
Al Silverstein
 

From: Pete via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 1:02 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Converting to DCC
 
Hi,
I'm new to using this forum.
I have a DC layout that I want to convert to DCC so I'd like some help from the experts so I can do it right the first time.

I added a pic to the photo section under "Pete's layout".
My room is 8'x13',  with a swing gate to enter the room.
All rails are connected to a common 12g bus.
There are two isolated sections fo changing polarity.

What do I need to change to convert to DCC?

I'm considering using the NCE wireless system.
I want to be able to have 4 trains running at the same time.
I want to be able to have more train addressed and ready to swap in from the parking yard below my layout connected via a long perimeter ramp.
Hmm, What else do you need to know?

Re: Converting to DCC

Pete
 

Thanks Paul.

I made the changes you suggested to my drawings and reposted them.
I also added some dimensions and comments to verify I got your suggestions correct.

Where do I connect the Auto Reverse units?

Pete

Re: Converting to DCC

Pete
 

Thanks Mark.

My train layout is HO scale. See new drawing with dimensions.

Max Engineers - The operating area is only 32" x 70" so at most 2 Engineers in the room.

Running Engines - 2 at most, others would be dummies.

I don't want to do the upgrade path. 
I want to buy the full wireless system from the start with a 5 amp power supply and one extra wireless controller.

I maybe naive, I imagine with only 4 trains running, each on it's own loop or in the sub-yard/ramp, I should be able to manage the one that is switching around possibly if I have each on a separate handheld controller?

Pete

Re: Converting to DCC

thomasmclae
 

I recommend a system that can connect to JMRI. (See JMRI.org page to see list of systems)
JMRI lets you connect to any smart phone to use as wireless throttle, either android or Apple. So each operator can use his phone as a throttle. The limit is about 8, depending on your wi-fi router capacity. (And most folks have an old phone to use. Just need wi-fi to log on to network.)
Once you connect to JMRI, the actual hardware fades into the background.

Our club runs both DC and DCC on the layout. The main difference is we no longer need 'kill' switches for each siding to isolate a Lok we want to stay put. DCC does that for us.
Also, with DCC there are auto-reverse options, either as booster connection or stand-alone modules. No more DPDT reverser toggles switches!
You do need to completely isolate any power districts, isolating both rails. (No more universal common.)
Also, it is recommended you use at lease one booster, even if you use only one. That protects your DCC system from shorts, zaps, etc. Fry the booster, not the more expensive DCC system.
Good luck!
The Digitrax wiring diagrams are pretty good for getting the DCC wiring options, even if you do not use Digitrax.

Thomas
DeSoto, TX

Re: Converting to DCC

Mark Gurries
 

What do I need to change to convert to DCC?

I'm considering using the NCE wireless system.
I want to be able to have 4 trains running at the same time.
I want to be able to have more train addressed and ready to swap in from the parking yard below my layout connected via a long perimeter ramp.
Hmm, What else do you need to know?
What scale are you running?

How many people (Engineers) will be running trains? This is not the same as how many trains you run.

How many running engines per train?

The room suggest one could use a NCE PowerCab to start. You can add the same wireless system to it.

If you determine you actually need more power, then you can expand with the SB5 booster. This has many benefits over the PowerPro.

Although one person can run multiple trains, the problems show up when there is a problem with a train. Why? Each Engineer only actively control of one train at any given time. The others will run without an engineer but someone will have to select the engine of the problematic train to regain control giving up control of the train they currently are running.

Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com

Re: Converting to DCC

Paul O
 

Pete, I added a second drawing to your photo album showing where you could put double-insulated gaps.

For the lower layout, (which is basically a loop), double-gap as shown by the four 'X's.

For the upper layout, double gap at the four locations as shown by the 'X's.
That will give you a reverse loop (A thru B to C and back to A) long enough for roughly a 125" long train.
Also in the other direction, D to C to B and back to D.

Just one way to do it.    Paul O

Converting to DCC

Pete
 

Hi,
I'm new to using this forum.
I have a DC layout that I want to convert to DCC so I'd like some help from the experts so I can do it right the first time.

I added a pic to the photo section under "Pete's layout".
My room is 8'x13',  with a swing gate to enter the room.
All rails are connected to a common 12g bus.
There are two isolated sections fo changing polarity.

What do I need to change to convert to DCC?

I'm considering using the NCE wireless system.
I want to be able to have 4 trains running at the same time.
I want to be able to have more train addressed and ready to swap in from the parking yard below my layout connected via a long perimeter ramp.
Hmm, What else do you need to know?

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

Daniel Brewer
 

I finally gave up on these and installed an Atlas crossing. Too bad as all of my track is PECO. Since this crossing is in a yard and only serves 2 industries, it was no big deal to just station a Scale Trains SD40-2 in this area as a fix. I left the Atlas crossing dead, and I will leave it at that until I have a ton a time, and want to build a crossing. @disappointedin PECO

Re: DCC Specialties- Hare and Wabbit

Kevin Hannan
 

Scott,
  The stall type controllers will not work with servos.  Servos are controlled by a repeating timed pulse which tells the servo what specific position to move to and hold.  A tortoise (stall motor) just moves to either end until it can’t move anymore, then just stops.

  You will need a controller that can produce the timing signal rather than just apply power and change the polarity.

Kevin P. Hannan
Marietta, GA

On Jan 14, 2020, at 8:49 AM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

I'm dismantling a too-large layout project that used these stationary decoders to control Tortoise switch motors in a hidden staging yard. I'm planning a much smaller, and simpler layout, and want to use servos to control the fewer number of turnouts.

My question is: Has anyone come up with a way (possibly an interface circuit) to control servos with these decoders? My reason for wanting to use them is some the auxiliary features these decoders provide.

TIA,
Scott Haycock

Re: PECO Code 100 24 Degree Crossing: Shorting Issue

George Galyon
 

had the same exact problem at our club.  We tried to fix it...couldn't.  We tried lowering the short sensitivity setting on the system...nyet.  Finally we went with your ugh.  
Interesting to see from the replies to this thread that PECO has acknowledged this problem.  

Re: DCC Specialties website not working

dennisedgar7
 

Hi,

Try DCC Concepts. I was on their website yesterday and they have DCC Specialites products.
Regards,
Dennis

On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 16:47, Don Bowen <don.bowen@...> wrote:
On 1/12/2020 3:02 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
> https://tonystrains.com/
>
There is nothing at that site with anything about DCC specialties, just
a listing of products.  I looked all over their site earlier and found
nothing.

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DCC Specialties- Hare and Wabbit

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'm dismantling a too-large layout project that used these stationary decoders to control Tortoise switch motors in a hidden staging yard. I'm planning a much smaller, and simpler layout, and want to use servos to control the fewer number of turnouts.

My question is: Has anyone come up with a way (possibly an interface circuit) to control servos with these decoders? My reason for wanting to use them is some the auxiliary features these decoders provide.

TIA,
Scott Haycock

Re: DCC Specialties website not working

wirefordcc
 

I think we've had a lot of good discussion on this topic.  If someone wants to call Tony's, I'm okay with posting the result of that conversation.  But we've drifted off from talking about wiring issues.  Let's try to wrap this up.

Thank you

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: DCC Specialties website not working

Brent Johnson
 

Paul, you are the man. I think this should resolve the question. 


On Jan 13, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Paul O <pomilian@...> wrote:


To all,
I just called the 800 number that I posted earlier and spoke with a person from Tony’s train exchange.
TTX and DCC specialties are under the same ownership.
 
The person who owned the website certificate for DCC specialties recently passed away and the company is working with ‘Go Daddy’ to resolve new ownership of the website.
They said to use the TTX website until the problem gets resolved.

If you type in the URL: 66.39.46.164 you can bring up the DCC specialties website.

Paul O

Re: DCC Specialties website not working

Paul O
 

To all,
I just called the 800 number that I posted earlier and spoke with a person from Tony’s train exchange.
TTX and DCC specialties are under the same ownership.
 
The person who owned the website certificate for DCC specialties recently passed away and the company is working with ‘Go Daddy’ to resolve new ownership of the website.
They said to use the TTX website until the problem gets resolved.

If you type in the URL: 66.39.46.164 you can bring up the DCC specialties website.

Paul O

Re: DCC Specialties website not working

Brent Johnson
 

Thanks, Bill. That is exactly what I was trying to say in my original post.

Brent Johnson


On Jan 13, 2020, at 3:03 PM, mgj21932 via Groups.Io <mgj21932@...> wrote:


I don't beleive the concern is about purchasing DCC Specialties products from Tony's Trains.  You are correct that lots of DCC Specialties products are listed for sale there.  This email train began with a concern expressed about whether DCC Specialties was going out of business -- as evidenced by apparent elimination of web site.  Concern was expressed about purchasing still available DCC Specialties products if the manufacturer was going out of business (lack of website being the cause for such concern) and, therefore, future tech support no longer being available.

Hope that clarifies the issues/concern.

If Tony's Trains does in fact manuafacture DCC Specialties products that they sell, they may wish to clarify future availability questions.

Bill Demarest

On Monday, January 13, 2020, 02:27:51 PM EST, Steve Haas <goatfisher2@...> wrote:


>>>>> There is nothing at that site with anything about DCC specialties, just a listing of products.  I looked all over their site earlier and found nothing. <<<<<

Au contraire . . .

https://tonystrains.com/manufacturers/dcc_specialties

From the main page, click on manufacturers, then type DCC in the search box, click on DCC specialties and then Search.  Returns 3 pages of DCC specialties products.

Best regards,

Steve

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA




Re: DCC Specialties website not working

Perry A Pollino
 

I had thought that DCC Specialties and TTX  were partnered somehow.
But since DCC specialties is available from other sources, that makes me wonder. 
I sure hope they are not discontinuing their products. I am still in the process of installing new Frog AR boards, I just recently Installed  AR and PSX boards. My layout is not operational yet. That would be a blow if they are discontinued. 
It would be my luck.
Perry


PCP Power Connectors

emrldsky
 

I  have a NCE Power Cab system and I wish to mount the power panel on my module fascia. I want to be able to plug in the power supply from the front of the fascia. So I need a chassis mount female power connector like the one on the panel and a power plug with extension wires on it to provide the extension cord. I have not been able to find the parts locally. Does anyone have a proven source? What is the size specification for the power connectors?

Peace,
Mike G.