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Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

pekka_groups
 

And I correct myself: Should have read the subject field more carefully: You are using the PL 26, so please ignore previous message, sorry

pekka

Ps: Always remember to put brain into gear before engaging mouth :(

On 2020-04-02 20:33, pekka_groups via groups.io wrote:
Are your other turnouts operating well?

According to this:

https://www.maurienne-trains.com/images/Image/Peco/PL-11%20Instructions.pdf

it apppears that the green wire is the common, not the black. Did you connect the green wire(s) to one output of the CDU and the red and black wires through push buttons to the other output terminal of the CDU?

Did you test the motors before installing them to the turnout? Did the motors throw when you touched the wires with DCUs output wires (green to one output terminal and either red or black to the other terminal)?

Are you using push buttons or toggle switches? The PL-11 point motors should NOT be operated with ordinary toggle switches. Use push buttons or momentary centre-off toggle switches which will return to center-off position when relased. Those are often referred as "mom-off-mom" or "(on)-off-(on)".

The drawing on the instruction sheet is -- I think -- misleading: the PL-26 point operating switch is a strange animal: it is a momentary switch and the common terminal is not the center terminal! If you are using ordinary two way toggle switches, the capacitor will be held discharged and it will not become charged unless it is disconnected (due to release of finger on button, or toggle switches returning to center-off position). If you are using three-way center-off toggle switches, the common terminal is most often the center terminal, and the point motor's red/black wires should be connected to the two outermost connectors. See, if the switch (if you are using a toggle switch) has any markings that would confirm which connector is the common terminal.

I hope this helps.

pekka

On 31.3.2020 16.33, James Cunningham via Groups.Io wrote:
HELP 

I have a Peco three way turnout trying to wire the switch to motor using a CDU and 16v 2amp power supply it does nothing but make noise will not work  can you please tell me what i’m doing wrong

    Thanks 
      Jimmy
On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Michael Maioriello <bronxstrings@...> wrote:

What gauge are you using, also what system do you use. I uses Lenz system 3.6 and must use circuit breakers. The science behind this is that LENZ Invented that’s out there and smart people ran with free technology. I am not up-to date on the newer systems to pick from. Good Luck!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've read, and been told, to offset the rail gaps between power districts. What is the science behind this and do we do that everywhere (for example in a reversing loop)?
Thanks,
Michael



Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

pekka_groups
 

Are your other turnouts operating well?

According to this:

https://www.maurienne-trains.com/images/Image/Peco/PL-11%20Instructions.pdf

it apppears that the green wire is the common, not the black. Did you connect the green wire(s) to one output of the CDU and the red and black wires through push buttons to the other output terminal of the CDU?

Did you test the motors before installing them to the turnout? Did the motors throw when you touched the wires with DCUs output wires (green to one output terminal and either red or black to the other terminal)?

Are you using push buttons or toggle switches? The PL-11 point motors should NOT be operated with ordinary toggle switches. Use push buttons or momentary centre-off toggle switches which will return to center-off position when relased. Those are often referred as "mom-off-mom" or "(on)-off-(on)".

The drawing on the instruction sheet is -- I think -- misleading: the PL-26 point operating switch is a strange animal: it is a momentary switch and the common terminal is not the center terminal! If you are using ordinary two way toggle switches, the capacitor will be held discharged and it will not become charged unless it is disconnected (due to release of finger on button, or toggle switches returning to center-off position). If you are using three-way center-off toggle switches, the common terminal is most often the center terminal, and the point motor's red/black wires should be connected to the two outermost connectors. See, if the switch (if you are using a toggle switch) has any markings that would confirm which connector is the common terminal.

I hope this helps.

pekka

On 31.3.2020 16.33, James Cunningham via Groups.Io wrote:
HELP 

I have a Peco three way turnout trying to wire the switch to motor using a CDU and 16v 2amp power supply it does nothing but make noise will not work  can you please tell me what i’m doing wrong

    Thanks 
      Jimmy
On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Michael Maioriello <bronxstrings@...> wrote:

What gauge are you using, also what system do you use. I uses Lenz system 3.6 and must use circuit breakers. The science behind this is that LENZ Invented that’s out there and smart people ran with free technology. I am not up-to date on the newer systems to pick from. Good Luck!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've read, and been told, to offset the rail gaps between power districts. What is the science behind this and do we do that everywhere (for example in a reversing loop)?
Thanks,
Michael



Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

James Cunningham
 

Thanks Rob  

Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

Max Maginness
 

To ask a more basic question

 

Are these HO turnouts?

Are they the type where the blades of  one switch can become jammed against the other set unless it is moved first?

Max

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Sutcliffe
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:24 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

 

The other issue these turnouts may have is wheel tread bridging at the frogs.

May have to use the nail polish trick to prevent shorts.



On Apr 1, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Robert Morrison via groups.io <robmorrison42@...> wrote:

 

Jimmy,

The PL-11 instructions seem to have some exceptions regarding 3-ways. The most common problem is not getting the PL-11 properly aligned and set against the ties. I don’t have a 3-way to look at but I think they would be awkward to work with because of the two throw bars close together. 

Try the Peco web site for help

Rob Morrison

 

 

Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

Richard Sutcliffe
 

The other issue these turnouts may have is wheel tread bridging at the frogs.
May have to use the nail polish trick to prevent shorts.

On Apr 1, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Robert Morrison via groups.io <robmorrison42@...> wrote:

Jimmy,

The PL-11 instructions seem to have some exceptions regarding 3-ways. The most common problem is not getting the PL-11 properly aligned and set against the ties. I don’t have a 3-way to look at but I think they would be awkward to work with because of the two throw bars close together. 

Try the Peco web site for help.

Rob Morrison


Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

Robert Morrison
 

Jimmy,

The PL-11 instructions seem to have some exceptions regarding 3-ways. The most common problem is not getting the PL-11 properly aligned and set against the ties. I don’t have a 3-way to look at but I think they would be awkward to work with because of the two throw bars close together. 

Try the Peco web site for help.

Rob Morrison

Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

James Cunningham
 

HELP 

I have a Peco three way turnout trying to wire the switch to motor using a CDU and 16v 2amp power supply it does nothing but make noise will not work  can you please tell me what i’m doing wrong

    Thanks 
      Jimmy

On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Michael Maioriello <bronxstrings@...> wrote:

What gauge are you using, also what system do you use. I uses Lenz system 3.6 and must use circuit breakers. The science behind this is that LENZ Invented that’s out there and smart people ran with free technology. I am not up-to date on the newer systems to pick from. Good Luck!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've read, and been told, to offset the rail gaps between power districts. What is the science behind this and do we do that everywhere (for example in a reversing loop)?
Thanks,
Michael



Re: couplers for kato gp 30

ted tyson
 

ooops sorry


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:

Let us keep this forum focused on DCC wiring issues.

Thank you

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

Re: couplers for kato gp 30

wirefordcc
 

Let us keep this forum focused on DCC wiring issues.

Thank you

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

couplers for kato gp 30

ted tyson
 

does anyone know which mtl couplers (assembled) i need to put on a kato gp 30...it has the clip with the copper "spring" in it    the conversion chart wasnt much help thx

Re: wiring

ted tyson
 

ok thx


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:51 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:
Hi Ted,

NCE is probably recommending it for less than 5 amp systems due to the size of the supplied feeders.

If you are using your MRC system with electronic circuit breakers, which would lower the available current before tripping, to less than 5 amps.  Doing something like this has always been my recommendation.  Eight amps is a lot for a short in an HO system, so electronic circuit breakers are advisable.  Or set your MRC to output no more than 5 amps.

Even then, it is a good idea to use electronic circuit breakers with trip points set to say 2.5 - 3 amps for HO.  You are trying to run trains, not weld!

However you get below 5 amp max to your track, the NCE product should serve you well.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: turnout machines

ted tyson
 

ok thx guys


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 AM mgj21932 via Groups.Io <mgj21932=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ted Tyson,

Tam Valley (tamvalleydepots.com) also has a line of switch machines, servos, controllers, etc. you might consider.  What I find particularly attractive are (1) they have a fully compatible set of wires that facilitate connecting all the elements together; and (2) they have fascia buttons pre-wired with colored LEDs to indicate switch direction.  Easily mounted on a schematic of you layout.

Duncan McRee can be very helpful.  dmcree@...

Just another option.

Bill D

On Friday, March 27, 2020, 07:23:00 PM EDT, ted tyson <ttyson55@...> wrote:


can you tell me who makes (or where i can get) those machines...and thank you!
Ted

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:34 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:
Hi Ted,

Yes, you can still use your Atlas snap switch machines.  Normally, these were powered off the Accessory output of a power pack which was AC.

If you wanted to, there are some DCC turnout controllers that can drive Atlas snap switch machines.  These provide a pulse.  If you want to do this, make sure you pick one that is designed for twin-coil switch machines like the Atlas snap switch machines.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: Website Down - Wiring For DCC

wirefordcc
 

All,

 

GoDaddy has my website back up!

 

Allan Gartner

Wiring For DCC

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of wirefordcc
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:32 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Website Down - Wiring For DCC

 

All,

I discovered that my website is down.  I've contacted GoDaddy.  They are having problems.  It is supposed to be back up today.  

I'll keep checking for it and will announce here when I see that it is back up.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: turnout machines

mgj21932
 

Ted Tyson,

Tam Valley (tamvalleydepots.com) also has a line of switch machines, servos, controllers, etc. you might consider.  What I find particularly attractive are (1) they have a fully compatible set of wires that facilitate connecting all the elements together; and (2) they have fascia buttons pre-wired with colored LEDs to indicate switch direction.  Easily mounted on a schematic of you layout.

Duncan McRee can be very helpful.  dmcree@...

Just another option.

Bill D

On Friday, March 27, 2020, 07:23:00 PM EDT, ted tyson <ttyson55@...> wrote:


can you tell me who makes (or where i can get) those machines...and thank you!
Ted

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:34 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:
Hi Ted,

Yes, you can still use your Atlas snap switch machines.  Normally, these were powered off the Accessory output of a power pack which was AC.

If you wanted to, there are some DCC turnout controllers that can drive Atlas snap switch machines.  These provide a pulse.  If you want to do this, make sure you pick one that is designed for twin-coil switch machines like the Atlas snap switch machines.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: wiring

wirefordcc
 

Hi Ted,

NCE is probably recommending it for less than 5 amp systems due to the size of the supplied feeders.

If you are using your MRC system with electronic circuit breakers, which would lower the available current before tripping, to less than 5 amps.  Doing something like this has always been my recommendation.  Eight amps is a lot for a short in an HO system, so electronic circuit breakers are advisable.  Or set your MRC to output no more than 5 amps.

Even then, it is a good idea to use electronic circuit breakers with trip points set to say 2.5 - 3 amps for HO.  You are trying to run trains, not weld!

However you get below 5 amp max to your track, the NCE product should serve you well.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: turnout machines

wirefordcc
 

Hi Ted,

You asked about the machines, but I assume you have switch machines already.  Do you mean to be asking about the devices that can control snap action switch machines?  Check with the manufacturer of your DCC system.  Look for "accessory decoders" or "stationary decoders".  NCE makes units for their system.  It is called the Qsnap-Mk2.  Digitrax calls their product the DS52.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Website Down - Wiring For DCC

wirefordcc
 

All,

I discovered that my website is down.  I've contacted GoDaddy.  They are having problems.  It is supposed to be back up today.  

I'll keep checking for it and will announce here when I see that it is back up.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: turnout machines

ted tyson
 

can you tell me who makes (or where i can get) those machines...and thank you!
Ted

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:34 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:
Hi Ted,

Yes, you can still use your Atlas snap switch machines.  Normally, these were powered off the Accessory output of a power pack which was AC.

If you wanted to, there are some DCC turnout controllers that can drive Atlas snap switch machines.  These provide a pulse.  If you want to do this, make sure you pick one that is designed for twin-coil switch machines like the Atlas snap switch machines.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

wiring

ted tyson
 

i was looking at a nce wiring kit...but at the bottom of the description it says for 5 amp or lower systems...my MRC claims to be 8 amps  (adjustabe)...?...so is the nce kit ok to use???...im guessing no   thx

Re: turnout machines

wirefordcc
 

Hi Ted,

Yes, you can still use your Atlas snap switch machines.  Normally, these were powered off the Accessory output of a power pack which was AC.

If you wanted to, there are some DCC turnout controllers that can drive Atlas snap switch machines.  These provide a pulse.  If you want to do this, make sure you pick one that is designed for twin-coil switch machines like the Atlas snap switch machines.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC