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Re: BD20

Jerry Michels
 

Don,

In you rpost you mention current leakage.  I think we see this on our layout when I check certain blocks with a LED tester we use to ensure correct phasing between blocks.  In some locations, If I check for proper phasing between blocks, when I connect opposite rails (e. g. block 1 rail A and block 2 rail B) I get the proper bright LED indication, but if I connect the same rails (rail A to rail B) I get a very faint glow. I take it that this is an indication of current leakage?  We are in a very dry environment, so moist ballast is not a concern, so perhaps debris working it way into gaps may be the problem, or gaps closing with temperature.  Interesting research project.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Re: BD20

Don Vollrath
 

Thanks for the feedback Richard. Glad you found the problem. and glad to have helped.
DonV


Re: BD20

Richard_vanRaay
 

Thanks everybody for your help. I feel really simple but have to admit it was a very simple problem. I had changed some wiring onto a turnout and that bypassed the BD20. 
Thank you all again.
🤗


Re: BD20

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Richard

 

If you cannot find any issues with what others have suggested, then desensitized the BD20 as per the Manual at:

 

https://ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/200585095/Bd20a.pdf

 

Regards

Marcus

Layout Video https://youtu.be/biFOG0e6IHo

Web Site http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/nswmn/

 

 

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Thanks Ron. I have checked that following your suggestion. That is not the cause.
Cheers.

 

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Re: BD20

RONALD ST.LAURENT
 

Hi Richard,

Another thing to check would be continuity with a VOM at each gap.  You should see no continuity, if you do, there's the area of the problem.

Ron

On Thursday, March 21, 2019, 3:58:10 PM EDT, Richard_vanRaay via Groups.Io <richard_vanraay@...> wrote:


Thanks Ron. I have checked that following your suggestion. That is not the cause.
Cheers.


Re: BD20

Richard_vanRaay
 

Thanks Ron. I have checked that following your suggestion. That is not the cause.
Cheers.


Re: BD20

Don Vollrath
 

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 07:17 AM, Richard_vanRaay wrote:
I have changed the bd20 but it still lights on the AIU.
When I disconnect the bd20 the led turns off.
Try a different input channel on the AIU. If that doesn't work... The only thing left is current leakage as seen by the BD20 on/from the track. Verify that the rail gaps are open. Look for debris on the track. Look for current leakage between the rails due to moisture in the ballast. Uninsulated wiring?
DonV


Re: BD20

RONALD ST.LAURENT
 

Richard,

Have you checked all the track in the block to make sure it is isolated?  Sometimes cut track can rejoin.  A small piece of plastic placed in the joint and trimmed properly can be unobtrusive and keep the gap.

Ron

On Thursday, March 21, 2019, 8:17:32 AM EDT, Richard_vanRaay via Groups.Io <richard_vanraay@...> wrote:


Hi, thanks. I have 18 BD-20's connected to AIU's.
They have been working for about two months. Now one is showing occupancy all the time. The LED on the AIU is always on.
I have changed the bd20 but it still lights on the AIU.
There is only one wire going through the bd20.
When I disconnect the bd20 the led turns off.
I have cleaned the track but am at a loss as to what to try next.
Thanks,
Richard from Tasmania



BD20

Richard_vanRaay
 

Hi, thanks. I have 18 BD-20's connected to AIU's.
They have been working for about two months. Now one is showing occupancy all the time. The LED on the AIU is always on.
I have changed the bd20 but it still lights on the AIU.
There is only one wire going through the bd20.
When I disconnect the bd20 the led turns off.
I have cleaned the track but am at a loss as to what to try next.
Thanks,
Richard from Tasmania


Re: PSX-AR feedback to tortois

Paul O
 

Sorry, forgot to mention that should be a momentary pushbutton spst switch.

Paul O


Re: PSX-AR feedback to tortois

Paul O
 

Charles, what I did was put a spst switch across the insulated rail joiner to simulate a loco crossing the gap and flipping the tortoise

Paul O


Re: PSX-AR feedback to tortois

Dale Gloer
 

The third accessory address that can be set in the PSX-AR allows you to control the attached Switch Machine with DCC commands so you could use that feature to set the switch when you approach it.   See section H of the PSX-AR manual. Of course you have to be using a throttle that supports sending switch commands.  Since you didn't say which system you are using and since I am only really familiar with Digitrax, That means that the UR4 series of throttles can't do it but teh DT400s and DT500s can.  Actually the older DT100s and DT300s can too.

Dale Gloer


PSX-AR feedback to tortois

Charles Cauble
 

Can anyone tell me if you can override the feedback to tortoise switches on a PSX-AR with a dpdt switch?  The PSX-AR aligns the switches after it passes the 1st gaps in my loop automatically but there are times I don’t want to enter the loop as I approach it and the switches are turned the wrong way. 
Thanks for any help.
Charles 


Isolated Outlet for my DCC ECoS.

Mark Cartwright <marcdecapri@...>
 

We may soon be subjected to Rolling Black-outs as well as Brown Outs, as Californians are easily manipulated.
but I am near naturally paranoid; so I tend to get off at the next exist and avoid the 80 car pile-up.
With that said....
I have added a Square D Surge Suppressor to my main panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjqVPJdJLmw

I am also considering running not only an isolated dedicated circuit to my ECoS with it's own filtered/stabilized protected box...but to also run the outlet to it's own Earthing Isolated Ground.
That is it's own double ground pole 8-10 foot tall pounded into the ground system
https://www.thespruce.com/what-are-isolated-ground-receptacles-1152789
Not just an  Orange Outlet but to a Red Outlet.
And not through a sub panel but via a Dedicated Home Run Circuit with it's own GFCI/CAFI Circuit Breaker in the main panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95ZRlb0rP4
=====
Got Buzz?
Once i repaired the main panel, added proper earth-ground poles (5 so far)  re-phased or simply left disconnected the many ??? outlets...
and ran new 12 gauge colored coded wiring to those in use and 6/3 to the sub panels.
Along with questioning the entire Bonding System between the many appliances and Water Heater....plus Gas Meter ...OMG~!
My entire grid was essentially only grounded to the GAS Meter.  The Gas Meter it's on it's own ground.
==> My WIFi began to work for the ENTIRE HOUSE and it doesn't loose a signal or even weaken ...Like Never.
CAT5 Connection Stays CAT 5 Connection and no longer drops down to generic (slower) Wifi.
=======
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolated_ground
We don't need to stinking' buzzing in my house.
https://www.hunker.com/12003261/the-house-electrical-system-has-a-buzzing-sound
I suspect strongly that my ECoS will be able to control my entire DCC System through out my entire home, perhaps even without a Sniffer.
As rumor states it is Radio Controlled and not Infrared Line of Sight.
But Honestly...I do not  yet know that.
I haven't even unboxed my ESU Controller II.
Just too many distractions in Northern California to every day living.
Mark

No matter where I go....
There is a line and they are forcing me to wait.
I hate the 21st Century.
Home Depot once again has modified it's check out system.....i hate it even more than the last one.


Re: Running Wire in Cut Groves of Accent Trim for Perch/Shelf N Scale Trackage. Trackage through Walls?

Mark Cartwright <marcdecapri@...>
 

Thank you Don and every one else as well....

I need to be careful; as I see nearly everything in a 360 degree manner.
(And am often accused of being Off-Topic.)
What is the Hub of the Conversation .....?
While I want to talk about the whole wheels...the many spokes.... as well as the rim.
This Forum however ...
It's all about the wiring.
Yet for me....
>>> Yes, such a project does include Cleaning and Derailing along with Electrical Factors as well.
Plus Physics and my own limitations say some 30 years from now when I am 95.
Meaning ...I use 12 gauge, i  have always used 12 gauge since the age of 10 for Aviation, Automotive and Home use.
Never have I hooked up a 20 amp circuit to 14 gauge wire and some thirty years from now...I will still remember that.
=======
With that said...
This is not my first such Shelf/Accent Trim Oval.
I created one circa 2016 at my other house (1908) in my bedroom; with Lionel O Scale Fast Track.
Then as I often do...I began a Bridge too Far.
Oops!
I aded HO Kato Unitrack and 28" Radius N Scale Unitrack increasing the radius of the O Scale to O-72.
This of course increased the width of the shelving but It did suffice to prove this theorem....
Model Railroading Shares Physics....
Plus....
N Scale runs great on a 71 inch radius while looking prototype too. (Doesn't Derail either)
Again it's 360 degree thinking...

If I have the room for O Scale...then I have the room for N Scale.
======
I actually stole the idea of Soldered N Scale Kato Unitrack from Lionel.
> I can take unsnap and take down for Cleaning or whatever...Long Lengths of 30 inch soldered track be it Lionel or Kato.
Then ?
Fit the length of track on the top shelf of my Miele Dishwasher or clean it on the long stainless steel sink, salvaged from a restaurant.
and if that doesn't work....I may hire a tall girl in a short skirt.
===============================

We have a yet another combined issue here with the San Joaquin/Northern California environment....
From Tulle Fog, to Tulare Ticks, To Peat Dust, Ashe from Forrest Fires as well as Valley Fever.
Though my entire first floor has double paned windows with Planation Shutters....and for the most part I leave the windows closed and locked.
There is already a fine layer of dust over the planks of the shutters.
Meaning....?
I am also installing a Whole House Vacuum System; so there will be an outlet in every room of the house.
=====
I also possess my own Federal HVAC (EPA) License so will be adding a serious filtration system to the Duct work but I am already planning on relocating some of it as well.
I am considering some sort of Return Air Vent System via each and every room in this house...
> Not the old school thinking of one large ceiling vent in the hallway and the other, in the dining room.  
> The best way to keep the track clean ...is to keep it from getting dirty.
:)) Mark

PS...
I already own perhaps every commercially available N Scale Track Cleaning System ever created.... and can tell you what does not work here.
>>> Garage Layouts
Where did i get some of the most expensive ones ? but purchased them on the cheap.
Garage Layouts get too dirty too fast for I have now purchased several of them at perhaps 10 cents to the MSRP $.
Keeping a Layout Clean here is a serious issue....



Re: Running Wire in Cut Groves of Accent Trim for Perch/Shelf N Scale Trackage. Trackage through Walls?

Carl
 

Hello Mark:

An important part of maintenance is keeping the track clean. I use Scotch Brite disks mounted to the bottom of a gondola. I wanted to make them spin, but just dragging them seems to work fine. ( 50% of my track is in a tunnel )

Carl.


On 3/15/2019 5:21 PM, Carl wrote:

Also Mark, your trim might be picture rail for hanging paintings, etc.

CsB.

On 3/15/2019 3:06 PM, Mark Cartwright via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello all....

In some older houses...There is an Accent Trim, near the top of the Wall an inch or so down from the Ceiling.
Not necessarily a moulding but sometimes it is referred as such.
https://www.123rf.com/photo_31999627_dining-room-in-old-house-with-red-and-white-wall-trim-furnished-with-old-wooden-table-set-room-has-e.html

Both my 1908 and 1941 era Houses have such Trim.
=====
I am setting up Kato N Scale Unitrack on the One Inch Wide accent trim my  1941 Home.
I was attempting to paint this accent trim, when I figured it would simply be easier to remove it.
And once in my hand....
This is about One Inch Wide...
=== The Width of N Scale Kato Track.
=====
>  I am developing a long route of N Scale Track around most of my house...to be raised and lowered from my Bedroom to the Main Layout in the Family Room via a Helix (Hidden in the Second Bedrooms extra closet_.
=====
To wire it all, I am cutting a grove down the back of the Trim...and putting in Twisted 12 Gauge Colored Coded Stranded Wire as well as soldering the Kato Unitrack in lengths of 18 inches. Each Soldered Section with it's own Drop Down Lead.
With DCC and Sound...?
Good Luck with that !
=====
Now the issue might be....
How to control the this long trackage through Walls over a distance ?
and not loose the DCC/Sound signal along the way....
For this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psq_klf0kBo
I have a Clue and have an ESU ECoS, ESU Sniffer, Bachmann Dynamis and ESU Navigator standing by.
The Worry ?
I really will not know it will work...Till it is completed.
:)) Mark

Wi Fi and my ESU Hand Controller...?
Again I don't know if I will be able to walk through the house, following the train as it Travels Through Walls.


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Re: Running Wire in Cut Groves of Accent Trim for Perch/Shelf N Scale Trackage. Trackage through Walls?

Don Vollrath
 

Clean track and other power pickup issues may be a problem. Consider using some sort of keep-alive added to your locos.
DonV


Re: Running Wire in Cut Groves of Accent Trim for Perch/Shelf N Scale Trackage. Trackage through Walls?

Don Vollrath
 

Oh... be sure to use plenty of track feeders to avoid poor sectional track connections where it will be difficult later to investigate and fix. And leave room to accommodate some track roadbed vs rail expansion/contraction.
DonV


Re: Running Wire in Cut Groves of Accent Trim for Perch/Shelf N Scale Trackage. Trackage through Walls?

Don Vollrath
 

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 02:06 PM, Mark Cartwright wrote:
How to control the this long trackage through Walls over a distance ?
and not loose the DCC/Sound signal along the way....
Twisting the DCC power bus as it follows the track is the right method but be sure to add a snubber/filter to the DCC bus at the far end away from the track power booster. That helps greatly to minimize signal interference due to long DCC bus feed wires. 100-150 Ohms (not critical), 1/2 watt in series with a 0.1 uFD, 50V (or so) non-polarized ceramic capacitor are the right values to use. 12 AWG is probably overkill. 14 or 16 will work equally as well for N scale. You could also add a second snubber ~1/2 way down the bus if there is interference. 
DonV


Re: Running Wire in Cut Groves of Accent Trim for Perch/Shelf N Scale Trackage. Trackage through Walls?

Carl
 

Also Mark, your trim might be picture rail for hanging paintings, etc.

CsB.

On 3/15/2019 3:06 PM, Mark Cartwright via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello all....

In some older houses...There is an Accent Trim, near the top of the Wall an inch or so down from the Ceiling.
Not necessarily a moulding but sometimes it is referred as such.
https://www.123rf.com/photo_31999627_dining-room-in-old-house-with-red-and-white-wall-trim-furnished-with-old-wooden-table-set-room-has-e.html

Both my 1908 and 1941 era Houses have such Trim.
=====
I am setting up Kato N Scale Unitrack on the One Inch Wide accent trim my  1941 Home.
I was attempting to paint this accent trim, when I figured it would simply be easier to remove it.
And once in my hand....
This is about One Inch Wide...
=== The Width of N Scale Kato Track.
=====
>  I am developing a long route of N Scale Track around most of my house...to be raised and lowered from my Bedroom to the Main Layout in the Family Room via a Helix (Hidden in the Second Bedrooms extra closet_.
=====
To wire it all, I am cutting a grove down the back of the Trim...and putting in Twisted 12 Gauge Colored Coded Stranded Wire as well as soldering the Kato Unitrack in lengths of 18 inches. Each Soldered Section with it's own Drop Down Lead.
With DCC and Sound...?
Good Luck with that !
=====
Now the issue might be....
How to control the this long trackage through Walls over a distance ?
and not loose the DCC/Sound signal along the way....
For this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psq_klf0kBo
I have a Clue and have an ESU ECoS, ESU Sniffer, Bachmann Dynamis and ESU Navigator standing by.
The Worry ?
I really will not know it will work...Till it is completed.
:)) Mark

Wi Fi and my ESU Hand Controller...?
Again I don't know if I will be able to walk through the house, following the train as it Travels Through Walls.


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