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Power Districts & Safety Curcuit Breakers

Brian Eiland
 

I have a wireless NCE system I intend to install on my 11'x15' double deck HO layout. I don't imagine I will be running any more than 4-5 trains at anyone time, and likely it will only be 2 most of the time. There will likely be some double-headers, or even some push-pull.

With the 5amp power supply most recommended by NCE I don't think I will need additional boosters?

But I do think I need to divide the layout up into 'power districts'. And I believe I understand these districts should be protected from accidental shorting...or rather the DCC system should be protected from shorting within the districts??

Doesn't the NCE system have internal protection against shorts?

Is it really necessary to have an elaborate and/or expensive additional shorting system??


Contacting DCC Specialist?

Brian Eiland
 

Contacting DCC Specialist?

If you have older PSX breakers without the trip delay config option, you can send them back to DCC Specialties for the upgrade free of charge; you will have to pay for shipping both ways.

Alan Loizeaux

 

I've tried sending them an email and got this reply,....

Delivery incomplete
There was a temporary problem delivering your message to info@....

 

This has turned into a repeat message. Is there another email address I should be using,...or someone else I should contact about this 'upgrade??
Brian


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

AD
 

Ok sounds doable.
I paint the Metal wheel axle to the outer edge of one wheel that is insulated from the axle. Is that correct

Where do buy resistive paint?

Tony


On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:52 PM, john <john.p.dunn@...> wrote:




On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 07:52:00 PM EDT, john <john.p.dunn@...> wrote:


Do you know that you can paint the axle from wheel to wheel with silver or resistance paint. Just paint it on, if too much resistance more paint, if too much scrape some paint.
jd
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 07:14:14 PM EDT, AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:


I just emailed jb.   They do not have resistive wheels for ‘n’ scale

Tony




On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:30 PM, dsabourne via groups.io <dsabourne@...> wrote:

JB seems to be the only online source I can find for ready made resistor wheelsets.  

The adjacent page http://jbwheelsets.com/pointed.html provides the approximate wheel size requirements.

However, alas, all nominal standard sizes are TNA ... "Temporary Not Available". :(

David Bourne
Kitchener Ontario


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

john
 



On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 07:52:00 PM EDT, john <john.p.dunn@...> wrote:


Do you know that you can paint the axle from wheel to wheel with silver or resistance paint. Just paint it on, if too much resistance more paint, if too much scrape some paint.
jd
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 07:14:14 PM EDT, AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:


I just emailed jb.   They do not have resistive wheels for ‘n’ scale

Tony




On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:30 PM, dsabourne via groups.io <dsabourne@...> wrote:

JB seems to be the only online source I can find for ready made resistor wheelsets.  

The adjacent page http://jbwheelsets.com/pointed.html provides the approximate wheel size requirements.

However, alas, all nominal standard sizes are TNA ... "Temporary Not Available". :(

David Bourne
Kitchener Ontario


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

john
 

Do you know that you can paint the axle from wheel to wheel with silver or resistance paint. Just paint it on, if too much resistance more paint, if too much scrape some paint.
jd

On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 07:14:14 PM EDT, AD <bklyns_baseball_club@...> wrote:


I just emailed jb.   They do not have resistive wheels for ‘n’ scale

Tony




On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:30 PM, dsabourne via groups.io <dsabourne@...> wrote:

JB seems to be the only online source I can find for ready made resistor wheelsets.  

The adjacent page http://jbwheelsets.com/pointed.html provides the approximate wheel size requirements.

However, alas, all nominal standard sizes are TNA ... "Temporary Not Available". :(

David Bourne
Kitchener Ontario


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

AD
 

I just emailed jb.   They do not have resistive wheels for ‘n’ scale

Tony




On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:30 PM, dsabourne via groups.io <dsabourne@...> wrote:

JB seems to be the only online source I can find for ready made resistor wheelsets.  

The adjacent page http://jbwheelsets.com/pointed.html provides the approximate wheel size requirements.

However, alas, all nominal standard sizes are TNA ... "Temporary Not Available". :(

David Bourne
Kitchener Ontario


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

dsabourne
 

JB seems to be the only online source I can find for ready made resistor wheelsets.  

The adjacent page http://jbwheelsets.com/pointed.html provides the approximate wheel size requirements.

However, alas, all nominal standard sizes are TNA ... "Temporary Not Available". :(

David Bourne
Kitchener Ontario


Re: Rapido switch machines - accessory decoders?

Nick Ostrosky
 

Thank you, it did not occur to me that this information would be in the instructions.  I had already watched a video of an install, thinking there was no need to dig into the specific instructions until I decided to move forward (or not).


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

Ed
 

The JB wheelsets appear to be only the larger tread width (.110 inch). Anyone sell the .088 inch wheelsets?

Ed Robinson


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

John Muntean
 

Years ago Jim Bennett's company Jay Bee Products? sold resistor wheel sets.
I believe the successor is http://jbwheelsets.com/resistor.html


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

wirefordcc
 

I've added the sources for HO and N scale resistor wheels to my website under both the Block Detection and Manufacturers sections.

I also found the source previously listed on my website is no longer available.  I have removed it.

Thank you all,

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

Tim
 

Fox Valley has them, but supply is spotty.

http://www.foxvalleymodels.com/NWheels.html

I thought BLMA and Intermountain had them too, but didn't see anything about them on their web sites. (BLMA is now part of Atlas.)

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

AD
 

Does anyone know where i can get resistive wheels for “n” scale.

Jb seams to produce only ho

Tony


On Sep 9, 2020, at 1:35 PM, John Muntean <jamuntean@...> wrote:

Years ago Jim Bennett produced resistor wheel-sets under the name Jay Bee Products.
I believe the successor is http://jbwheelsets.com/resistor.html


Re: Block detection/wheel set resistors

John Muntean
 

Years ago Jim Bennett produced resistor wheel-sets under the name Jay Bee Products.
I believe the successor is http://jbwheelsets.com/resistor.html


Re: Powering Points

Bill Wilken
 

All are running, but it's hard for me to keep track of more than four
that are in motion.

On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 09:36 -0700, wirefordcc wrote:
Hi Alan,

You didn't say how many locomotives you would be running. I still
don't think you will an additional bus with its own power supply.

On the other hand, if you run your accessory decoders off your track
bus, you may have a problem if a locomotive approaches your turnout
with the points thrown against it, you may have a short that shuts
down your track making it impossible to throw the points and correct
the problem. You still don't need to spend the money for a separate
booster to power your accessory decoders.

Instead, just get an electronic circuit breaker, like an NCE EB1.
Create a separate accessory bus and tie it directly to your Power Pro
system. Connect your track bus to the EB1 and then connect it to the
Power Pro. Now if your track shorts out, the Power Pro won't shut
down and you can still flip your turnouts.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC


Re: Powering Points

wirefordcc
 

Hi Alan,

You didn't say how many locomotives you would be running.  I still don't think you will an additional bus with its own power supply.

On the other hand, if you run your accessory decoders off your track bus, you may have a problem if a locomotive approaches your turnout with the points thrown against it, you may have a short that shuts down your track making it impossible to throw the points and correct the problem.  You still don't need to spend the money for a separate booster to power your accessory decoders.

Instead, just get an electronic circuit breaker, like an NCE EB1.  Create a separate accessory bus and tie it directly to your Power Pro system.  Connect your track bus to the EB1 and then connect it to the Power Pro. Now if your track shorts out, the Power Pro won't shut down and you can still flip your turnouts.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC


Re: Powering Points

Bill Wilken
 

I use the same NCE PowerPro for a 20x20 dogleg layout with several hundred feet of track plus some 20 Tortoise powered turnouts and over a dozen locos. It’s hard for me to imagine that you might need any supplementary power save for a low voltage transformer to power layout lighting and the like





On Sep 9, 2020, at 11:52 AM, alynmar@... wrote:

Hello all,
I am building a new layout after having moved recently.  The layout will be run with my NCE Power Pro 5 amp system.  The points will be powered by Peco Twistlock motors wired into DCC Concepts accessory decoders for solenoid drive, and using DCC Concepts alpha central integrated 12 way digital switch units for changing point direction.
My question is would it be better to tie into the Power Pro NCE bus for power, or to add an additional bus with its own power supply for the accessory decoders and the alpha central switch units?  The layout size in 8 x 22 with an additional 6x14 storage yard.
Thank you,
Alan


Powering Points

alynmar@...
 

Hello all,
I am building a new layout after having moved recently.  The layout will be run with my NCE Power Pro 5 amp system.  The points will be powered by Peco Twistlock motors wired into DCC Concepts accessory decoders for solenoid drive, and using DCC Concepts alpha central integrated 12 way digital switch units for changing point direction.
My question is would it be better to tie into the Power Pro NCE bus for power, or to add an additional bus with its own power supply for the accessory decoders and the alpha central switch units?  The layout size in 8 x 22 with an additional 6x14 storage yard.
Thank you,
Alan


Re: Rapido switch machines - accessory decoders?

Dale Gloer
 
Edited

Actually their website is quite specific on the topic.  A quick Google search leads to the Installation instructions for these machines.  At the bottom of the instructions is a list of suitable accessory decoders.  Here is a  link:
https://rapidotrains.com/sites/default/files/2020/05/12switch-Instructions_may2020.pdf

Dale Gloer


Rapido switch machines - accessory decoders?

Nick Ostrosky
 

I've been eyeballing Rapido switch machines because of the associated switch stands and indicators, which I've never sen with Tortoise.  What isn't clear on their web site is what accessory decoder would be used to control them from a NCE Power Cab or JMRI.  Anyone have experience with these?  Pros and cons?  Accessory decoder suggestions?  Thanks!