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Re: wiring a scissor crossing

wirefordcc <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

I wasn't sure what you are calling a scissor crossing.

To wire a Walthers double crossover, go here:

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_walthers_old.htm#a2


To wire a Peco Electrofrog crossing, go here:

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_peco.htm#a7


I hope one of these does it for you.

Allan

Tortoise & Rotary switches

hotrains2001 <hotrains@...>
 

Don thanks very much for the time & effort you gave to my question.
I feel i can now follow the example you provided & finish wiring to my
Tortoise machines.

Jim

Re: Tortoise & Rotary switches

Don Vollrath <dvollrath@...>
 

Whoops, I got a little overzealous w/ diodes in FIG 8.
Updated file is now posted.
DonV

Newbie Knucklehead wiring question

brian1961go <brian1961go@...>
 

Have not purchased a DCC system yet and have never wired a model
railroad but have completed my benchwork and ready to start wiring.
Do i wire both rails or just one? Is it clear on the back of the DCC
controller/unit? I assume same for feeder wires?

Also, I have a small modular layout, around the walls about 40' long.
Do I do homerun wiring to each 8' module from the DCC unit or will one
40' bus suffice? I am using 14awg wire for bus and 18-20 for feeders
but that is flexible. each module has terminal screws.

Is there a diagram of a basic wiring plan.

TIA,
Brian

Re: Newbie Knucklehead wiring question

robert_scheffler
 

Brian,

May seem ironic, but the best place for the wiring information is
www.wiringfordcc.com which is the name of this group!

In a nutshell, your 14ga bus and 18-20ga feeders is good, if HO or smaller.
Maybe even "O", but probably not a larger scale. Both rails need their own
separate bus wire. Those 2 bus wires then attach to the DCC Booster.

There has been much talk about termination of DCC busses that are longer
than 30'. Since you mention a 40' long layout, placing the booster in the
center, and having the bus feed 20' or so out in each direction, you should
be able to avoid this 30' distance number. If it's easier to wire more in a
line, then you can always add a terminator at the end if you ever have
troubles. All that is covered in great detail on the www.wiringfordcc.com
web site.

Depending on how many modules you have with the terminal strips, you may
want to consider power districts. Then if you have a short, it will only
affect that module instead of the whole layout. If you wire a run from the
booster to each module now, you could always expand and upgrade to power
districts if/when the need arises.

That should get you started!

Bob Scheffler
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PRICOM Design
www.dcctester.com Test all the bits and packets on your DCC Rails!

-----Original Message-----
From: brian1961go [mailto:brian1961go@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:43 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Newbie Knucklehead wiring question



Have not purchased a DCC system yet and have never wired a model
railroad but have completed my benchwork and ready to start wiring.
Do i wire both rails or just one? Is it clear on the back of the DCC
controller/unit? I assume same for feeder wires?

Also, I have a small modular layout, around the walls about 40' long.
Do I do homerun wiring to each 8' module from the DCC unit or will one
40' bus suffice? I am using 14awg wire for bus and 18-20 for feeders
but that is flexible. each module has terminal screws.

Is there a diagram of a basic wiring plan.

TIA,
Brian





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Re: Newbie Knucklehead wiring question

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

Yes. You must wire up both rails.
There will be a connection diagram supplied with almost every throttle, power pac and DCC system controller.

-----Original Message-----
From: brian1961go [mailto:brian1961go@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:43 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Newbie Knucklehead wiring question




Have not purchased a DCC system yet and have never wired a model
railroad but have completed my benchwork and ready to start wiring.
Do i wire both rails or just one? Is it clear on the back of the DCC
controller/unit? I assume same for feeder wires?

Also, I have a small modular layout, around the walls about 40' long.
Do I do homerun wiring to each 8' module from the DCC unit or will one
40' bus suffice? I am using 14awg wire for bus and 18-20 for feeders
but that is flexible. each module has terminal screws.

Is there a diagram of a basic wiring plan.

TIA,
Brian





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Yahoo! Groups Links

Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

brian1961go <brian1961go@...>
 

Curious, What method has anyone had success mounting switches to
foamboard? Do you glue Rix switch mounts directly to foamboard or
oyther ideas?

Thanks, Brian

Re: Mounting Hankscraft switches to foam board?

wirefordcc <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

Brian,

Interesting question. I once had a need to glue foam board to a
Tuperware lid. The Tuperware is a similar kind of plastic as used in
the Rix bracket. It can't be done as far as I can tell. I had a hard
time finding an adhesive that would firmly grip the plastic. Then,
any adhesive that would adhere to the lid ate right through the foam
board. I have not tried every glue out there, and since my experiment
new glues have hit the market, like Gorilla glue. So there may still
be some hope.

Note: You may not want to glue your switch machine to your foam. If
you don't mount it in the right spot the first time, or need to remove
it for any reason, it will take a chunk of layout with you. Why don't
you glue a piece of masonite to your foam and then screw mount your
switch machine to that? You will then be able to remove your
switchmacine. Elmer's carpenter glue works on blue foam as well as
hot melt. The Elmer's may take a few days to dry. But the hot melt
may loose it's grip over time.

Re: Tortoise switch machines

wirefordcc <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

Don Vollrath has made a set of drawings showing various configurations
of multiple switch machines, diode matrix'ing, multiple control
positions, and indicators. These drawings are now on permanent
display on the Wiring For DCC website at
http://www.WiringForDCC.com/sw_ctl.htm#a15

wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

steve <snorring@...>
 

I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch
postion using LED's. I have slow motion tortoise's and have them
wired up using the internal switch.

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion
swithches.

Thanks,

Re: switches and lights

steve <snorring@...>
 

I too am looking for an answer to this question. I beleive you need
to use an SRC8 from team digital which can recieve a message once
the turnout is thrown, it in turn sends a message out which can
iluminate an LED. Can anyone confirm this as a solution.
Alternatives welcome..... the link below doesn't seem to work can
you repost it.

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Vollrath, Don"
<dvollrath@m...> wrote:
Not directly, if I understand your question correctly.
The Atlas Snap Switches (the turnout) have a metal but non-powered
frog.
You can power the frog by using external microswitches or relays,
one of which is also called an Atlas Snap-Switch. This device is a
twin coil mechanical latching relay that can be wired in parallel
with the Atlas twin coil switch machine that operates the turnout.
The contacts of this relay can then be used to power the frog at the
right polarity or operate a signal circuit. Once you have that,
look at Allan's wiring aids at
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/signaling.htm.
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Crawford [mailto:cei300@h...]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:25 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] switches and lights




Good Morning, I am new to this list and my question is:

Is it possible using Atlas snap switches and DCC, to connect a two
light signal to it, to show red or green depending on which way
the
switch is, without having to do it manually? Thank you for any
help.

Les
Canadian Eastern Inland RR

Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

If you have powered frogs see http://www.wiringfordcc.com/signaling.htm.
If you have Tortoise machines use a technique from http://www.wiringfordcc.com/sw_ctl.htm#a15. Or simply use the switches internal to the Tortoise to operate the LED signals.

For a dual coil machine with no frog power switch there are several other ways...
1. Add a mechanical microswitch to be activated by the throwbar. See http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches.htm scroll down about 2/3 of the way to RECOMMENDATION #2-22: this also works with manuual ground throws.
2. Use a latching relay with diodes to flip and remember which coil was pulsed last. Use a relay with coil voltage rating of about 1/2 that of the supply. Be sure to use steering and free-wheeling diodes feeding the latching relay coils. I can post a circuit diagram if you need it.

DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:snorring@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting




I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch
postion using LED's. I have slow motion tortoise's and have them
wired up using the internal switch.

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion
swithches.

Thanks,





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New file uploaded to WiringForDCC

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the WiringForDCC
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File : /Twin Coil Memory Relay.doc
Uploaded by : donevol <dvollrath@...>
Description : Latching relay to remember last state of an Atlas twin coil switch machine. Use contacts to operate signals or flip frog power.

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: Tortoise switch machines - Route control

Don Vollrath <dvollrath@...>
 

Jim McMahon, try MR, November 2000, page 106
DonV

Re: Tortoise switch machines - Route control

Jim McMahon <hotrains@...>
 

Thanks Don will dig it out.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Vollrath
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Tortoise switch machines - Route control




Jim McMahon, try MR, November 2000, page 106
DonV





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Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

The \ Wiring For DCC\ Guy <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

Here's the URL for 2-22.
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches.htm#a14 While I was looking over it, I
did a few spelling and grammer fixes.

-----Original Message-----
From: Vollrath, Don [mailto:dvollrath@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:07 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion
reporting



If you have powered frogs see http://www.wiringfordcc.com/signaling.htm.
If you have Tortoise machines use a technique from
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/sw_ctl.htm#a15. Or simply use the switches
internal to the Tortoise to operate the LED signals.

For a dual coil machine with no frog power switch there are several other
ways...
1. Add a mechanical microswitch to be activated by the throwbar. See
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches.htm scroll down about 2/3 of the way to
RECOMMENDATION #2-22: this also works with manuual ground throws.
2. Use a latching relay with diodes to flip and remember which coil was
pulsed last. Use a relay with coil voltage rating of about 1/2 that of the
supply. Be sure to use steering and free-wheeling diodes feeding the
latching relay coils. I can post a circuit diagram if you need it.

DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:snorring@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting




I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders anyone
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch
postion using LED's. I have slow motion tortoise's and have them
wired up using the internal switch.

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow motion
swithches.

Thanks,





http://www.WiringForDCC.com
Yahoo! Groups Links









http://www.WiringForDCC.com
Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

steve <snorring@...>
 

Thanks for your reply , i would like to see a drawing for latching
relay if you have one. I purchased an Atlas snap relay but it
doesn't seem to be woking as i intended.

thanks,
Steve


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Vollrath, Don"
<dvollrath@m...> wrote:
If you have powered frogs see
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/signaling.htm.
If you have Tortoise machines use a technique from
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/sw_ctl.htm#a15. Or simply use the
switches internal to the Tortoise to operate the LED signals.

For a dual coil machine with no frog power switch there are
several other ways...
1. Add a mechanical microswitch to be activated by the throwbar.
See http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches.htm scroll down about 2/3
of the way to RECOMMENDATION #2-22: this also works with manuual
ground throws.
2. Use a latching relay with diodes to flip and remember which
coil was pulsed last. Use a relay with coil voltage rating of about
1/2 that of the supply. Be sure to use steering and free-wheeling
diodes feeding the latching relay coils. I can post a circuit
diagram if you need it.

DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: steve [mailto:snorring@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] wiring LED's for snap switch postion
reporting




I'm using Ds54, Team Digiatal and CVP for stationary decoders
anyone
know of a wiring or output device i can use to report out switch
postion using LED's. I have slow motion tortoise's and have them
wired up using the internal switch.

I have a few snap switches that can't be changed out for Slow
motion
swithches.

Thanks,





http://www.WiringForDCC.com
Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion reporting

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

I posted the dwg April 13.
Go to the files section. Look for "Twin coil Memory Relay.doc"
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@...
[mailto:WiringForDCC@...]On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:48 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: wiring LED's for snap switch postion
reporting




Thanks for your reply , i would like to see a drawing for latching
relay if you have one. I purchased an Atlas snap relay but it
doesn't seem to be woking as i intended.

thanks,
Steve

Re: switches and lights

wirefordcc <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

Steve,

I thought I replied to your message but I don't see it.

The link down below does work. I think the site was down at the
time you tried it.

The SRC8 is definitely a way you can do what you want. But if your
only reason for using the SRC8 is indicators, than the things that
Don suggested will work just as well and be $40 cheaper.

I will be using the SRC8 for turnout indication, but I will also be
using the button input feature of the SRC8 as well.

Allan


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "steve" <snorring@a...> wrote:


I too am looking for an answer to this question. I beleive you
need
to use an SRC8 from team digital which can recieve a message once
the turnout is thrown, it in turn sends a message out which can
iluminate an LED. Can anyone confirm this as a solution.
Alternatives welcome..... the link below doesn't seem to work
can
you repost it.

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Vollrath, Don"
<dvollrath@m...> wrote:
Not directly, if I understand your question correctly.
The Atlas Snap Switches (the turnout) have a metal but non-
powered
frog.
You can power the frog by using external microswitches or
relays,
one of which is also called an Atlas Snap-Switch. This device is
a
twin coil mechanical latching relay that can be wired in parallel
with the Atlas twin coil switch machine that operates the
turnout.
The contacts of this relay can then be used to power the frog at
the
right polarity or operate a signal circuit. Once you have that,
look at Allan's wiring aids at
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/signaling.htm.
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: Les Crawford [mailto:cei300@h...]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:25 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] switches and lights




Good Morning, I am new to this list and my question is:

Is it possible using Atlas snap switches and DCC, to connect a
two
light signal to it, to show red or green depending on which way
the
switch is, without having to do it manually? Thank you for any
help.

Les
Canadian Eastern Inland RR