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Re: Power Pax ?

trains@...
 

Terry,

At our club we are using a Digitrax system and was having intermittent issues using the Power Pax. We figured out that it would not work using the wireless radio but would work every time if we were plugged directly into loconet. I assume this is probably a Digitrax issue except for the fact that we can program off the programming track using the wireless without the Power Pax connected.

Not sure which system you have but thought I would share this.

 

 

Gary


Re: DCC journey What is best for your Father's Son?

Carl
 

Hello:

Another way to start a layout is Modules. You could build four 2x2 corners and two 2x4 straight modules. Each module you build will be better than the last until you replace the first with something better. Till then you can move the parts around to fill any room, or your back yard. This is what I did. I had modules that could build a 14' x 42' with a turntable and a 9 track yard. I ran a lot of trains. Then my dream layout construction caught up to where I needed the turntable. I gave the modules to the local club so they had something to run. I learned a lot and gained many skills.

I have a major Digitrax control system and it works fine for me. I like the size of the UT-4 controllers and they do everything I wish. The radio system is OK too.

Good luck, Carl.


Re: DCC journey

Douglas Krahn
 

I tested several systems before purchasing my DCC system.  Personally, I really liked the NCE system over the other systems.  One of the features I liked  was the size of the controller (I have very large hands).  I think the NCE system is easier to use than the Digitrax system.  I recommend you try them all and find the one which works best for you.

Doug

From: "microrails@..."
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey
 
Dan hear, I have both systems.  I started of with a Digitrax Cheif, added radio.  A fiend had a NCE system and I ended up buying the NCE Power Pro with radio, added a NCE Power Cab with radio.  I ended up giving my Digitrax system to my son.  The only thing I don't like about the NCE system is The size of the hand controller. Thats my only complaint. Dan in Longview, WA.
From: "William Teeters" To: WiringForDCC@...Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 3:43:02 PMSubject: Re: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey  
That's great but, would you consider Digitrax?. Its amongst  the most popular DCC system out there. It can be run as simply or as complex as you can imagine.
Sites you can visit are DCCfor everyone, Digitrax of course and DCC-Sound. Great enthueism!, Look at different systems before you make that purchase. Good Luck Bill Teeters Chicago,Peoria and Western ho RR. as seen on RockRail.org.

From: Bruce Bailey
To: "WiringForDCC@..."
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 4:25 PM
Subject: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey
 
Hello, I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set? P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction. Thanks again, Bruce Bailey Sent from my iPod


Re: DCC journey What is best for your Father's Son?

marcdecapri@...
 

Bruce,


There is one serious aspect of Model Railroading which I have learned by 2014. There are thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of N Scale and HO Scale equipment, sitting in boxes which has never been used or perhaps ever seen a layout; All within 50 miles of this keyboard.   

====> And all I have to do to own it and get it running on my layout TODAY 

= Is show up with CASH. 

This is NOT the same hobby of 1977. Space is a major criteria to any consideration.

============================


A year ago, I would not have attempted to answer your question. However that was over 20 DCC Locomotives ago, some with sound. I am not so sure of any of the above, nor of any of the suggestions. Don't Delay and don't Store it.. Use it - Even if you just loop your bedroom with it along a ceiling ridge.

===

There is something more and it saddens me a bit. 

I have also bought the remnants of at least 7 defunct N Scale Layouts or ones that never even went to the operational stage. Now I am also coming on to HO Scale and just cleared out a large area of my basement for this scale as well. Why? Cause it is nearly FREE.  One day, I also came upon an O Scale Lionel System in the box, like new >> at a Thrift Store (I am running it around the Ceiling of my Bedroom) , and they have their own sort of DCC system, helped along by Neil Young. It's a great system for his son Ben.    

===> Now what is best for your Father's Son?

============================================================================

===> Here is the thing. Don't fret too much about it all. Just do something. Just what ever you can do... >>> Do it! Begin Today. Capri Diem as I like to joke.

===

While I would personally not own the Bachmann DCC system, nor would I even suggest it on any level to friend or enemy.  Oops! My own personal behavior not withstanding > I attended a DCC Seminar at our Local Hobby Shop. Seemed to me at first that the Shop's Personnel  ==== ?Though they all personally use MRC, they were pushing Bachmann.  Why?  This intrigued me, and I began to not only listen but to watch tell-tale signs of behavior. Sort of like Playing Poker. Digitrax seemed to be a bad word and nearly no mention was made of NCE.  It was Bachmann and then Bachmann Again. They even had to take one out of the box to operate it as an MRC system is normally connected to one of their operating systems. For this presentation > They just built a simple oval of track. In fact they went out of their way to make this happen.  Why just not use one of their already built and detailed layouts?   When the seminar was over, (and it was soon over) I milled about and listened to the other participants. Soon it began to make sense.

===  

?? Upwards and over $500 for a DCC System was no where on their customers horizon. It was simply not a target opportunity.  Mentioning CV values would have just confused the lot of them. None of the nearly dozen other participants had an actual operating layout. The room hoped for may actually be in use by another member of their family. Once the kid goes off to school ... kind of thing. Despite this, several Bachmann DCC systems were sold that day.

I mean - Isn't the point of having a store, to stay in business. 

===

So it's your railroad.  If 4 x 8 is the space you have... Then Go for it! And if $129 is in your pocket today. Then just waiting ...? Well don't wait too long.  Start today.

=

I have passed up both Bachmann and NCE DCC systems for under $100 used. I found and bought an MRC Wireless Prodigy for $220.  I will soon come upon a Prodigy Squared system (wired) which I will also buy. Yes, I will buy MRC again and would suggest it to my best friends. I should mention that my MRC USED system, did NOT come with an Instruction Manual.  I use it anyway and have not had  a single issue. It's intuitive to me, and has been a great introduction to DCC.

=

No Reading = No Confusion. I also have been on Macintosh since the Apple I. For some reason, them Other machines tend to break on me or simply not function. Sort of like never been able to get well prepared Grits anywhere outside of the South, that is except if being served on a Train. What works for you may not be the best for Others and location/space may mean everything.

Will all of the above stop me from buying Digitrax? No. I fully intend to eventually, drive myself a bit crazy, by reading one of their manuals. Eventually, I will want to go beyond simple CV programming and delve into JMRI and speed matching with intricate consisting.  So far however, I have not been willing to outbid Others on a Digitrax System. Meaning Yes, there are people out there who chose Digitrax as their first system, then found it overwhelming. Then there are Others, such as myself who upon a good deal will spring for one. 

=

Will I deliberately go running down one day to my Local Hobby Shop and buy a Digitrax System at  or near list price? No. And here is a serious reason why.  They know LESS than I do about DCC as of at least three months ago.  There won't be one once of any help in that MSRP price. There are no schools for their personnel to attend to by Digitrax. None of them own a Digitrax system. Actually, none of them know all that much about installing even a decoder and it all goes down from there. It is much easier to sell a Hasselblad, after you actually own one. 

==

What I will tell you... There is a level to DCC and Computer control with sound - Even above all of this. And it comes with a price, along with words like Loksound and BLI.

:)) Mark



When I was 7 years old, I received my first Train set.  The nice man asked my Father what system would be best for me. O Scale or HO? My Father then turned to me and I boldly stepped up saying HO Scale. Then the little precocious 7 year old began to nearly lecture the  man on why HO Scale was such a better system for our basement.

=

I was destined to then have 4 x 8 layout. However, when my Mother wanted a Ping Pong Table. Meaning at first my heart sank, thinking we were in competition for the same space.  Instead, I was able to go to 5 x 9 with a layout which was lifted up and onto her Table.  Nearly the whole rest of the week, except on Saturday Night when my parents friends would come over - I built my little empire. Especially in HO Scale, yes a 5 x 9 is like a whole other level. That extra foot does make a difference. Yet if you simply don't have it.... don't worry about it  - Start today anyway.



Re: Coach lighting

Max Maginness
 

Yes and No

 

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Thomas Cockle
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:01 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Coach lighting

 

 

I use a bridge rectifier ahead of the LED lighting (so that when I run at my DC-only club the lights work in both directions).   Since a bridge rectifier is actually four diodes, doesn't this solve the reverse voltage problem as well?

Or should I add another diode?

Tom Cockle

McKinleyville CA

 

 

Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:39 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Ed S" ed.kolt

Max,

Thanks that makes sense. I will include a diode if I decide to power 
LEDs from the track.

Ed S

At 10:14 PM 1/29/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>LED's will stand only a few volts (5-7) in reverse from the normal 
>polarity for lighting them. If on DCC they are under reverse voltage 
>half the time. If you have 2 or 3 in series the reverse voltage 
>might divide evenly, but very unlikely, so it's best to prevent 
>stressing the LED's by adding a regular diode as well. These are 
>usually have minimum reverse rating of at least 59 volts so more 
>than adequate for DCC track voltage levels. And yes someone may be 
>using them without diodes and so far nothing happened, but that's no 
>substitute for a little proper engineering.
>
>
>
>Max


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Re: LM317 Info

emrldsky
 

No attachments made it. Could you please [post it into the files area?
Thanks,

Mike G.



Re: DCC journey

Daniel H. Davis
 

Dan hear, I have both systems.  I started of with a Digitrax Cheif, added radio.  A fiend had a NCE system and I ended up buying the NCE Power Pro with radio, added a NCE Power Cab with radio.  I ended up giving my Digitrax system to my son.  The only thing I don't like about the NCE system is The size of the hand controller. Thats my only complaint.
Dan in Longview, WA.



From: "William Teeters"
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 3:43:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey

 

That's great but, would you consider Digitrax?. Its amongst  the most popular DCC system out there. It can be run as simply or as complex as you can imagine.
Sites you can visit are DCCfor everyone, Digitrax of course and DCC-Sound. Great enthueism!, Look at different systems before you make that purchase. Good Luck Bill Teeters Chicago,Peoria and Western ho RR. as seen on RockRail.org.


From: Bruce Bailey
To: "WiringForDCC@..."
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 4:25 PM
Subject: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey

 
Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod



Re: DCC journey

richg_1998@...
 

I do not believe you want that set. The EZ Command is very limited. Program the loco number but no other CV's can be modified.
The sound value sets have the same controller. You can activate the sounds but you cannot fine tune any CV's and you will eventually want to.
The Digital Commander and other on board non sound DCC are very basic, old school decoders, usable but you will probably want to replace them in the Bachmann locos. Many do.
The sound value decoders are quite good though.


I use both versions but did get rid of the Bachmann non sound decoders.

Below is a link to the Bachmann forums and website.


http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php


There are quite a few on line shops with better prices than Bachmann suggest. I have used Micro Mart and The Favorite Spot.


Rich


Re: DCC journey

Craig Zeni
 

On Feb 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Bruce Bailey wrote:

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
As others have noted, multiple choices exist. What do your friends use? I myself prefer NCE as it's simply more user friendly than other brands. But my suggestion to you is to test drive each system. Get on the system, use it, build consists, do some basic programming with it. Read the manual and see if you can understand it. Then you'll know what is right for you. The NCE user group on Yahoo maintains a list of users that are willing to have visitors come over and do such test drives etc.


Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Coach Lighting

Richard Sutcliffe
 

I have used these strips to light several HO coaches.
Added a resistor to control the lighting brightness a bit. No rectifiers or regulators. These are in waltzers cars with all wheel pickup.
No issues with flickering, or back voltage on DCC.

I have also taken a few LEDs from strips for other applications, and, in a frugal manner, saved the "resistors".
After some of the comments I decided to test these "resistors" and found they appear to be current limiting diode packages.
In one direction they indicate about 5k resistance and in the other direction infinite resistance.
Are these the illusive current limiting diodes we have been looking for for other single LED installations?

Dick Sutcliffe
General Manager
Bradley, Roger & Tidewater Rwy.
Cariboo Traction Company


On 2014-01-30, at 2:43 PM, Ed S wrote:



John,

If this is what you have:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/5M-300Leds-Cool-White-3528-SMD-LED-Non-Waterproof-Flexible-Strip-12V-/321305664422?pt=US_Car_Lighting&hash=item4acf4f5ba6 


They are set up for 12V DC with a resistor built in every 3 LED's.  No diode included.

I use these on my pontoon boat and they work well.  They are very bight on a car battery, we look like a party boat... well we are LOL.

 I have extras that I plan to cut. You can cut them every 3 LEDs. there is a spot to solder new leads.

For others interested these come in different colors and lengths plus you do not need the water proof ones. 

But realize they expect to see 12V DC  so you need add another resistor for DCC and a diode. I use a diode bridge and a battery, not a capacitor.

Ed S





Re: DCC journey

William Teeters <cozyflyr9398@...>
 

That's great but, would you consider Digitrax?. Its amongst  the most popular DCC system out there. It can be run as simply or as complex as you can imagine.
Sites you can visit are DCCfor everyone, Digitrax of course and DCC-Sound. Great enthueism!, Look at different systems before you make that purchase. Good Luck Bill Teeters Chicago,Peoria and Western ho RR. as seen on RockRail.org.


From: Bruce Bailey
To: "WiringForDCC@..."
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 4:25 PM
Subject: [WiringForDCC] DCC journey

 
Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod



Re: DCC journey

Carl
 

Hello Bruce:

What scale / gauge are you planning? Just about any DCC system could support what would fit on your 4x8 table. I'm using Digitrax, but other folks say NCE is a more robust system?? The one nice thing is you can switch control systems and keep all the decoders in your locomotives. Also it isn't hard to sell an old DCC system.

What type of railroad do you plan? Operating trains, switching, point to point, etc.? Do you have a limited space?

Carl.


Re: DCC journey

Chuck Stiles
 

Bruce
The Bachmann is a good starter set complete with DCC controller and two trains will work nicely on a 4 x 8 it will get you up and running in a hurry but you may get bored with it.
This is such a great hobby, there are so many choices you can make. Just be sure this is what you want, not just for now but down the road. Expandability is limited with the set, its an entry level controller.
See if you can get a demo of some DCC Controllers at your local hobby shop. See if you like the feel, simplicity or expandability of the unit before you make your final decision. If you have decided on a budget for now you can get a DCC Control that you can add to next year and the year after. Building your own from scratch can also give a greater sense of accomplishment or a bigger headache as well LOL
Good Luck

Chuck Stiles
NJ



On Monday, February 3, 2014 5:28 PM, Bruce Bailey wrote:
 
Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod



Re: DCC journey

Ed S <eschwerkolt@...>
 

If you can add to the table amd make it 5 x 9, you do so much more on a layout.

Ed S
Sent from My Commodore 64

At 05:25 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote:


Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey


Re: DCC journey

terryintexas7@...
 

I would wait and try some systems that your friends have
not only will it help you decide you'll also have a built in help source
Terry
 

In a message dated 2/3/2014 4:29:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, bruju@... writes:
 

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod


Re: DCC journey

Kurt Konrath
 

Different systems cost differ greatly.  One question we need to be answered is how many engines and what scale you are in.  Also do you plan to expand past a 4x8 or not.   If you can provide some more info the group will provide you with a lot more valid of an answer. 

Kurt Konrath
Oklahoma City


On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Bruce Bailey <bruju@...> wrote:

 

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod


DCC journey

Bruce Bailey <bruju@...>
 

Hello,
I already built the table(4x8) and I'm stuck. I'm very patient (2 years and counting), my wife has given me the thumbs up sign. I was going to just DC but when I caught a glimpse of DCC I was hooked. Here's the question: Should I purchase a Bachmann commander 00501 DCC ready set or wait and piece together a better set?
P.s. My has been so great in my endeavor I want to share in the construction.
Thanks again,
Bruce Bailey

Sent from my iPod


Re: Coach Lighting

Eric
 

I have had good luck with Chinese orders, also. My only problem has been with US Customs in Chicago. I have had a 12 v power supply stuck in the Chicago Customs area for over a month. USPS and the seller can do nothing about it.

RicZ

--- In WiringForDCC@..., Carl <carl.blum@...> wrote:

Hi gang:

I've had good luck with ordering from China. Machine tool parts,
miniature people, electronic parts and special consumer goods. The last
orders even held my money in escrow until I had accepted delivery. Most
were quick considering the distance.

Carl.


Re: Power Pax ?

Paul O
 

OK Terry, take care of yourself.

I hope you get the problem solved.

 

Paul O


Re: Power Pax ?

terryintexas7@...
 

 
Paul
I did email them but can't call due to the fact i am mute due to throat cancer
have not heard back from them yet
Terry
 

In a message dated 1/31/2014 1:20:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, pomilian@... writes:
 

Terry, try calling DCC Specialties, they are very helpful.

I had problems with a PSX-AR and they repaired it.

Paul O

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of terryintexas7@...
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:05 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Power Pax ?

&nb sp;

Yes of course that's always possible

my programming track is isolated but still it could have happened

I can't find any output info listed at the DCC specialties site

but 20 volts sounds better than my 6- 8

  

I'm told my meter won't read square wave DCC voltage but s till it should be more than 8 volts