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Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

Max Maginness <m.maginness@...>
 

The current rating of the rectifier need match only that of the load, not
the source. Since the tortoise load is about 20mA (20/1000 Amps) a 1 Amp
rectifier is more than adequate. Your 5 Amp supply could run more than 200
such tortoise/LED combinations.



Max



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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch





Max

I picked up a 1amp 100v bridge rectifer but I am still not sure if this is
right, my power supply is 5amp 16v would a 5amp 400v bridge rectifer be
better or is the 1amp still OK?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@... <mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
, " Max Maginness" <m.maginness@...> wrote:

This will be massive overkill in every way -rating, size, cost A I amp
rating at 100volts is more than sufficient.



Max



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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch





Hi Doug,

Thanks for the info, I did call my local electronics shop and they have a
bridge rectify but for 100amps, will this be OK? if not what do I look for
with one of these?

Anthony

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<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@> wrote:

The AC bus will attach to the two AC terminals (~) on the bridge. The DC
output will appear on the + and - terminals. Wire each DPDT as reversing
switch from the DC output of the bridge to pins 1 and 8 of the Tortoise.
You
can put a two-terminal bi-color LED or a pair of parallel connected LEDs
wired in series with the Tortoise as turnout position indicators.

See Diagrams 1, 3 and 4 on the Tortoise intruction sheet.

Doug Stuard


--- In WiringForDCC@...
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<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com> , "scaletone" <scaletone@> wrote:

I have no problems with wiring a Tortoise to a Lenz LS150 using the
two
diodes etc but I now have to wire several to a DPDT switch as I am going
to
have my yard with these and will switch it manually to have a bit of fun
away from the computer controlled main lines. I have an AC accessory bus
that is for all the turnouts so I guess that I need to have this bus and
attach a bridge rectifer to change the current to DC for the Tortoise, how
does the wiring go?

AC bus to the bridge rectifer (what kind do I use?)and then to the
DPDT
switch and then to the Tortoise using which pads on the Tortoise 1 and 8 ?
and then wire the Tortoise's in parellel with both wires ?

Regards

Anthony


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Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

scaletone <scaletone@...>
 

The next question is how do you wire it all up, AC power Bridge rectifer, and Tortoise motor.

I have the incoming accessory bus which is AC with a plus and a minus Blue and White wire, where do we go from there and in what order is it attached to the Tortoise?

Regards

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "scaletone" <scaletone@...> wrote:

Max

I picked up a 1amp 100v bridge rectifer but I am still not sure if this is right, my power supply is 5amp 16v would a 5amp 400v bridge rectifer be better or is the 1amp still OK?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@..., " Max Maginness" <m.maginness@> wrote:

This will be massive overkill in every way -rating, size, cost A I amp
rating at 100volts is more than sufficient.



Max



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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch





Hi Doug,

Thanks for the info, I did call my local electronics shop and they have a
bridge rectify but for 100amps, will this be OK? if not what do I look for
with one of these?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@... <mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@> wrote:

The AC bus will attach to the two AC terminals (~) on the bridge. The DC
output will appear on the + and - terminals. Wire each DPDT as reversing
switch from the DC output of the bridge to pins 1 and 8 of the Tortoise. You
can put a two-terminal bi-color LED or a pair of parallel connected LEDs
wired in series with the Tortoise as turnout position indicators.

See Diagrams 1, 3 and 4 on the Tortoise intruction sheet.

Doug Stuard


--- In WiringForDCC@...
<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com> , "scaletone" <scaletone@> wrote:

I have no problems with wiring a Tortoise to a Lenz LS150 using the two
diodes etc but I now have to wire several to a DPDT switch as I am going to
have my yard with these and will switch it manually to have a bit of fun
away from the computer controlled main lines. I have an AC accessory bus
that is for all the turnouts so I guess that I need to have this bus and
attach a bridge rectifer to change the current to DC for the Tortoise, how
does the wiring go?

AC bus to the bridge rectifer (what kind do I use?)and then to the DPDT
switch and then to the Tortoise using which pads on the Tortoise 1 and 8 ?
and then wire the Tortoise's in parellel with both wires ?

Regards

Anthony


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Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

scaletone <scaletone@...>
 

Max

I picked up a 1amp 100v bridge rectifer but I am still not sure if this is right, my power supply is 5amp 16v would a 5amp 400v bridge rectifer be better or is the 1amp still OK?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@..., " Max Maginness" <m.maginness@...> wrote:

This will be massive overkill in every way -rating, size, cost A I amp
rating at 100volts is more than sufficient.



Max



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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch





Hi Doug,

Thanks for the info, I did call my local electronics shop and they have a
bridge rectify but for 100amps, will this be OK? if not what do I look for
with one of these?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@... <mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@> wrote:

The AC bus will attach to the two AC terminals (~) on the bridge. The DC
output will appear on the + and - terminals. Wire each DPDT as reversing
switch from the DC output of the bridge to pins 1 and 8 of the Tortoise. You
can put a two-terminal bi-color LED or a pair of parallel connected LEDs
wired in series with the Tortoise as turnout position indicators.

See Diagrams 1, 3 and 4 on the Tortoise intruction sheet.

Doug Stuard


--- In WiringForDCC@...
<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com> , "scaletone" <scaletone@> wrote:

I have no problems with wiring a Tortoise to a Lenz LS150 using the two
diodes etc but I now have to wire several to a DPDT switch as I am going to
have my yard with these and will switch it manually to have a bit of fun
away from the computer controlled main lines. I have an AC accessory bus
that is for all the turnouts so I guess that I need to have this bus and
attach a bridge rectifer to change the current to DC for the Tortoise, how
does the wiring go?

AC bus to the bridge rectifer (what kind do I use?)and then to the DPDT
switch and then to the Tortoise using which pads on the Tortoise 1 and 8 ?
and then wire the Tortoise's in parellel with both wires ?

Regards

Anthony


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Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

rg <richg_1998@...>
 

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Doug Stuard <dstuard@...> wrote:

From: Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch
To: WiringForDCC@...
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:37 AM
From our fav outlet:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062581

Doug Stuard
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have used a bunch of those. I sometimes get them off old electronics.

Rich


Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
 

--- In WiringForDCC@..., Anthony Hedges <scaletone@...> wrote:

Hi Max

Thanks for the info, I will check it out at my local shop, I am sure they have the one you have described

Regards

Anthony




________________________________
From: Max Maginness <m.maginness@...>
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Wed, 23 June, 2010 2:10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

 
This will be massive overkill in every way -rating, size, cost A I amp
rating at 100volts is more than sufficient.

Max

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:32 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the info, I did call my local electronics shop and they have a
bridge rectify but for 100amps, will this be OK? if not what do I look for
with one of these?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@... <mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@> wrote:

The AC bus will attach to the two AC terminals (~) on the bridge. The DC
output will appear on the + and - terminals. Wire each DPDT as reversing
switch from the DC output of the bridge to pins 1 and 8 of the Tortoise. You
can put a two-terminal bi-color LED or a pair of parallel connected LEDs
wired in series with the Tortoise as turnout position indicators.

See Diagrams 1, 3 and 4 on the Tortoise intruction sheet.

Doug Stuard


--- In WiringForDCC@...
<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com> , "scaletone" <scaletone@> wrote:

I have no problems with wiring a Tortoise to a Lenz LS150 using the two
diodes etc but I now have to wire several to a DPDT switch as I am going to
have my yard with these and will switch it manually to have a bit of fun
away from the computer controlled main lines. I have an AC accessory bus
that is for all the turnouts so I guess that I need to have this bus and
attach a bridge rectifer to change the current to DC for the Tortoise, how
does the wiring go?

AC bus to the bridge rectifer (what kind do I use?)and then to the DPDT
switch and then to the Tortoise using which pads on the Tortoise 1 and 8 ?
and then wire the Tortoise's in parellel with both wires ?

Regards

Anthony
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Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

Anthony Hedges <scaletone@...>
 

Hi Max

Thanks for the info, I will check it out at my local shop, I am sure they have the one you have described

Regards

Anthony




________________________________
From: Max Maginness <m.maginness@...>
To: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Wed, 23 June, 2010 2:10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

 
This will be massive overkill in every way -rating, size, cost A I amp
rating at 100volts is more than sufficient.

Max

From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of scaletone
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:32 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Wiring a Tortoise to DPDT switch

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the info, I did call my local electronics shop and they have a
bridge rectify but for 100amps, will this be OK? if not what do I look for
with one of these?

Anthony

--- In WiringForDCC@... <mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@...> wrote:

The AC bus will attach to the two AC terminals (~) on the bridge. The DC
output will appear on the + and - terminals. Wire each DPDT as reversing
switch from the DC output of the bridge to pins 1 and 8 of the Tortoise. You
can put a two-terminal bi-color LED or a pair of parallel connected LEDs
wired in series with the Tortoise as turnout position indicators.

See Diagrams 1, 3 and 4 on the Tortoise intruction sheet.

Doug Stuard


--- In WiringForDCC@...
<mailto:WiringForDCC%40yahoogroups.com> , "scaletone" <scaletone@> wrote:

I have no problems with wiring a Tortoise to a Lenz LS150 using the two
diodes etc but I now have to wire several to a DPDT switch as I am going to
have my yard with these and will switch it manually to have a bit of fun
away from the computer controlled main lines. I have an AC accessory bus
that is for all the turnouts so I guess that I need to have this bus and
attach a bridge rectifer to change the current to DC for the Tortoise, how
does the wiring go?

AC bus to the bridge rectifer (what kind do I use?)and then to the DPDT
switch and then to the Tortoise using which pads on the Tortoise 1 and 8 ?
and then wire the Tortoise's in parellel with both wires ?

Regards

Anthony
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Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Mike Janke
 

Each system has limitations.

From discussions I have had, it sounds like NCE might be at its limit. The speed at which it does its polling (9600 baud or so) is about the same speed Digitrax runs its event-based system on. This means it probably won't be able to be upgraded to bi-directional NMRA Railcom standards. Digitrax has less traffic on the system, so it should work (and the similar Transponding system works), and Lenz (probably CVP as well, they seem to use Lenz protocols) runs about 10 times faster. NCE decoders seem to malfunction or do nothing at all when put on a layout with Railcom on.

Bi-directional allows the decoder to tell the command station what it is doing. Reading back CVs on the main would be possible, and some other things as well. I believe it is a fairly new standard, so the capabilities are being explored.

NCE might be fine for now, but it could end up being a dead-end technology. Lenz/CVP, with the faster baud rate, and Digitrax, with less traffic on the system, might be where things are going. It will be interesting to see which approach works out better in the future, or if new players (TCS) enter the market, with better features.

I would stay away from MRC, and Bachmann.

I use Digitrax myself, at home, club and Dad's house, and have used Lenz a bit, working with the youth group. The Lenz will program Soundtraxx decoders without any extra boosters on the programming track.

Mike Janke

--- In WiringForDCC@..., cnyers@... wrote:

Thanks don that was the direction I was going but wanted to see what the thoughts were from the experts.

C
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Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Chris,
If you can afford your blackberry you can afford the best. Get the NCE PowerPro w/ radio and pick up a second ProCab w/ radio for your kids so you can play too. Oh, a Magnum power pack (transformer in a box) will be also needed. NCE provides reliable products, easy to connect, super easy to use, easily expandable in whichever direction you growth plan goes. Other systems will have expansion dead-end limitations or compromises.
DonV


Re: Bach-DSL decoder

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Larry

Doesn't the MRC "automatically" calculate the values for CV 17 and 18 for
your desired Long Address?

Maybe you should ask this on the MRC Yahoo group or someone here may be able
to answer this MRC query, for us.

If it doesn't, use the Link and procedure Doug has already suggested. The
link provides the values for CV 17 and 18, but after they're programmed in,
you'll have to tell the decoder to respond the Long Address now and that
what you do by programming CV 29 with 34.

Regards
Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of Larry Summers
Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 9:59 PM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder


I have the MRC Wireless system. I tried programming on the program track and
program on the main and it still did not change it's address. NCE manuel
says it will do a two or four digit address. What do you set CV17 and CV18
at? Thanks I will try CV29 at 34 and see if that works. Thanks Larry



To: WiringForDCC@...
From: mammann@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:12:54 +1000
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder





Hi Larry

What DCC system are you using?

Which method of programming - the Program Track or "On the Main" POM are you
using?

Are you using CVs to change the address or a method described in your system
manual?

There are THREE CVs to program, CVs 17 and 18 for the "values" of the Long
Address and CV 29 will need to changed so the decoder responds to the Long
Address. Most of us will use "34" that is DC OFF and No Speed Tables.

Many DCC systems will do this "Change to the Long Address" procedure for
you, automatically.

Get back to us with some more details if you cannot still get your decoders
to work.

Regards
Marcus


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Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:06 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder

Having trouble with the Bach-DSL decoder from NCE. I have four and for some
reason I am unable to change the Decoder number from 03 to a four digit
number. Anyone have any suggestions. Thanks. Larry

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Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

cnyers@...
 

Thanks don that was the direction I was going but wanted to see what the thoughts were from the experts.

C
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Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Chris,
If you can afford your blackberry you can afford the best. Get the NCE PowerPro w/ radio and pick up a second ProCab w/ radio for your kids so you can play too. Oh, a Magnum power pack (transformer in a box) will be also needed. NCE provides reliable products, easy to connect, super easy to use, easily expandable in whichever direction you growth plan goes. Other systems will have expansion dead-end limitations or compromises.
DonV

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:16 PM
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Subject: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.


Hello everyone!

I am trying to decide on the best for your money dcc to start with and grow!

All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks for the time

Chris
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Re: Bach-DSL decoder

Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
 

The values for CV17 and CV18 are not directly discernable from the 4 digit address as there is a little mathematical gymnastics employed by the decoder having to do with fixed bits that also must be included in the CV values.

Here's a link to a good CV17/18 calculator:

http://ruppweb.dyndns.org/xray/comp/decoder.htm

Don't forget to then set CV29 to enable the new 4 digit address (i.e, set it to 34 or 38).

Doug Stuard

--- In WiringForDCC@..., Larry Summers <gl.summers@...> wrote:


I have the MRC Wireless system. I tried programming on the program track and program on the main and it still did not change it's address. NCE manuel says it will do a two or four digit address. What do you set CV17 and CV18 at? Thanks I will try CV29 at 34 and see if that works. Thanks Larry



To: WiringForDCC@...
From: mammann@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:12:54 +1000
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder





Hi Larry

What DCC system are you using?

Which method of programming - the Program Track or "On the Main" POM are you
using?

Are you using CVs to change the address or a method described in your system
manual?

There are THREE CVs to program, CVs 17 and 18 for the "values" of the Long
Address and CV 29 will need to changed so the decoder responds to the Long
Address. Most of us will use "34" that is DC OFF and No Speed Tables.

Many DCC systems will do this "Change to the Long Address" procedure for
you, automatically.

Get back to us with some more details if you cannot still get your decoders
to work.

Regards
Marcus


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Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 12:06 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder

Having trouble with the Bach-DSL decoder from NCE. I have four and for some
reason I am unable to change the Decoder number from 03 to a four digit
number. Anyone have any suggestions. Thanks. Larry

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Re: Soundtraxx PTB100

William Shanaman <billy44@...>
 

George,

I forgot to mention that I mounted the PTB100 on the same removable board with the track so it's out of the way to.

Bill

On 6/23/2010 5:48 AM, George Briscoe wrote:
Thanks Bill. I have what you describe in option 2 so will go ahead and hook up the PTB100............George.




Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Greg Harter
 

The Columbus (Indiana) Area Railroad Club has used the NCE ProCab system -
including radio cabs - for 12 years. We have used just one system and
several boosters to simultaneously run HO, G, N, and S layouts without
problems. We have always received excellent customer service from NCE
(which we rarely need), and we also have a PowerCab system we use separately
for programming and troubleshooting. I've been the point person at our club
for maintenance of this system for the entire time, and would wholeheartedly
recommend this system.

Greg Harter

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>wrote:



Chris,
If you can afford your blackberry you can afford the best. Get the NCE
PowerPro w/ radio and pick up a second ProCab w/ radio for your kids so you
can play too. Oh, a Magnum power pack (transformer in a box) will be also
needed. NCE provides reliable products, easy to connect, super easy to use,
easily expandable in whichever direction you growth plan goes. Other systems
will have expansion dead-end limitations or compromises.
DonV

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:16 PM
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Subject: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Hello everyone!

I am trying to decide on the best for your money dcc to start with and
grow!

All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks for the time

Chris
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Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

Chris,
If you can afford your blackberry you can afford the best. Get the NCE PowerPro w/ radio and pick up a second ProCab w/ radio for your kids so you can play too. Oh, a Magnum power pack (transformer in a box) will be also needed. NCE provides reliable products, easy to connect, super easy to use, easily expandable in whichever direction you growth plan goes. Other systems will have expansion dead-end limitations or compromises.
DonV

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:16 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.


Hello everyone!

I am trying to decide on the best for your money dcc to start with and grow!

All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks for the time

Chris
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Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
 

general consensus across a number of forums is that the NCE Power Cab or Digitrax Zephyr would be your best choice. The are pros and cons and proponents of each.

The PowerCab is a hand held throttle/command station/booster that can be converted to a throttle only for use with larger NCE systems. Many folks like the ergonomics of the unit.

The Zephyr is a stationary throttle/command station booster that can interface with virtually all other Digitrax components (hand held throttles, boosters, turnout decoders, etc.) via LocoNet. It can also be optioned as a throttle/booster only for use in a larger layout under control of one of the larger Digitrax command stations.

A read of the manuals for each system as well as consideration of your possible (uuuh..PROBABLE) expansion plans is recommended. Also, if you are in or contemplate joining a club, you may want to have a system compatable with what they are running. Lotsa help available that way.

Either system would give you a great start (MRC not so much...sorry).

Doug Stuard

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Hello everyone!

I am trying to decide on the best for your money dcc to start with and grow!

All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks for the time

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From: "Vollrath, Don" <dvollrath@...>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:28:16
To: WiringForDCC@...<WiringForDCC@...>
Reply-To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100

The PTB100 is a very good programming track booster. So far, it works with all decoders, including tsunamis. Hook it up permanently and it will do everything you want to read and write CVs. I'm not sure about updating software files into Lok-Sound or QSI decoders. You may still need something special for those apps.
DonV

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:30 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100

Hi All,

I am about to install a PTB100 between my DCS100 and the programming track so that I can program a recently purchased loco with Tsunami decoder. I can program all functions bar the loco address via OPs mode but cannot change the loco address.

Is there any reason why I should not connect this permanently? I have locos with other decoders and wondered if the PTB100 is suitable for progamming all of my locos.

Regards.............George.



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Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Earl Hackett <hacketet@...>
 

IT all depends on your needs, desires, and personal preferences. All can
start with a basic and grow into just about anything you can imagine. Below
are some observations from my personal experience - others will have had
different experiences.



A friend in Chicago chose Digitrax because everybody else used that brand
and could bring their own throttles for an OP session. He would up buying a
bunch of throttles anyway.



I use EasyDCC and it has proven very reliable. I chose it because at the
time (many years ago) they were the only company that allowed for and
published a computer interface, allowing me to automate the storage tracks.
I particularly like the radio control throttles as their throttles can
transmit through walls and even the furnace, allowing me to control a
locomotive from anywhere in the layout area. I also like the very simple
throttle designs - I just want speed/direction control and a couple of basic
functions. They also have great customer service. A few years ago during a
windstorm, a high voltage transmission line dropped across our local
distribution wares. The resulting power surge blew out my command station
and all four boosters along with a bunch of other stuff. I sent the system
back for repairs and had it back in less than 10 days. The bill was $75.



The European systems (Lenz and one other) have the best quality track
signal. Other brands may need an RC filter circuit (snubber, terminator,
etc.) to get good reliable control. Without these circuits you occasionally
loose control of a loco. On my Chicago friend's layout this occurred
several times an hour until I put some of these filters on his power bus..
A very good article was published in Scale Rails a year or so ago. I never
lost control of a loco with my EasyDCC system, but had problems with
occupancy detectors until I installed these filters.



NCE has some very capable throttles that will control everything, including
the kitchen sink. I've operated with this system on two layouts, one being
about 125' x 35' in size with over 200 sound equipped locos on line at the
same time. I've seen no control problems on either of these layouts. The
original NCE radio throttles had a very unreliable antenna connection - that
may have been improved in later designs.



Finally, if you are building a modular layout that you want to take to train
shows, and you are planning on using radio throttles, you have to
investigate problems with radio interference from other layouts that also
might be using radio throttles. If you're not planning on this activity,
don't worry about radio interference.

_____

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Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:16 PM
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Subject: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.






Hello everyone!

I am trying to decide on the best for your money dcc to start with and grow!

All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks for the time

Chris
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Re: Soundtraxx PTB100

georgebriscoe10
 

Thanks Don and Paul. I was not that interested in changing the address on the main but might consider the method suggested. At least I can easily change it to one of two adresses. Nice idea...................George.



To: WiringForDCC@...
From: dvollrath@...
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:41:38 -0500
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100





Paul is correct in that you can program addresses on the main as he described. But make sure you programm the unused address CV(s) BEFORE you reprogram CV29 to re-select which address to use.
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On Behalf Of Paul O
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:14 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100

George, two points:
-- Yes the PTB-100 can be attached permanently and will program other decoders.
-- You can't change the active address on the main.

From the TSU users guide:
Programming Notes: Both the primary and extended address may be changed at any time using service mode.

If the decoder's primary address is enabled (i.e., CV 29, bit 5 is 0), only the extended address may be changed using operations mode programming.
If the decoder's extended address is enabled (i.e., CV 29, bit 5 is 1), only the primary address may be changed using operations mode programming.

Paul O

----- Original Message -----
From: georgebriscoe10
I am about to install a PTB100 between my DCS100 and the programming track so that I can program a recently purchased loco with Tsunami decoder. I can program all functions bar the loco address via OPs mode but cannot change the loco address.

Is there any reason why I should not connect this permanently? I have locos with other decoders and wondered if the PTB100 is suitable for progamming all of my locos.

Regards.............George.

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Re: Bach-DSL decoder

Larry Summers <gl.summers@...>
 

I have the MRC Wireless system. I tried programming on the program track and program on the main and it still did not change it's address. NCE manuel says it will do a two or four digit address. What do you set CV17 and CV18 at? Thanks I will try CV29 at 34 and see if that works. Thanks Larry



To: WiringForDCC@...
From: mammann@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:12:54 +1000
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder





Hi Larry

What DCC system are you using?

Which method of programming - the Program Track or "On the Main" POM are you
using?

Are you using CVs to change the address or a method described in your system
manual?

There are THREE CVs to program, CVs 17 and 18 for the "values" of the Long
Address and CV 29 will need to changed so the decoder responds to the Long
Address. Most of us will use "34" that is DC OFF and No Speed Tables.

Many DCC systems will do this "Change to the Long Address" procedure for
you, automatically.

Get back to us with some more details if you cannot still get your decoders
to work.

Regards
Marcus

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Bach-DSL decoder

Having trouble with the Bach-DSL decoder from NCE. I have four and for some
reason I am unable to change the Decoder number from 03 to a four digit
number. Anyone have any suggestions. Thanks. Larry

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Re: Soundtraxx PTB100

georgebriscoe10
 

Thanks Bill. I have what you describe in option 2 so will go ahead and hook up the PTB100............George.



To: WiringForDCC@...
From: billy44@...
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:24:20 -0600
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100





George,

Go ahead and install it permanently if you need to. It won't hurt
other decoders using it with those. You can put it in a siding track
with some dead track on either end. (see NCE instructions or Joe
Fugate's install) for this using a 4PDT center off switch. You can
drive you engine into it for programming.

OR

You can do what I did and take a length of 1 x 4 about 18-20 inches long
and mount a piece of flex track on it. I then wired on a quick connect
mail two prong plug to a pair of 12" long wires. I did the same with
the female plug to the command station program track connections using
16 ga. wire. This way you can remove the programming track and store
it out of the way.

Bill Shanaman
Sugar City, CO.

On 6/22/2010 1:30 PM, georgebriscoe10 wrote:

Hi All,

I am about to install a PTB100 between my DCS100 and the programming
track so that I can program a recently purchased loco with Tsunami
decoder. I can program all functions bar the loco address via OPs mode
but cannot change the loco address.

Is there any reason why I should not connect this permanently? I have
locos with other decoders and wondered if the PTB100 is suitable for
progamming all of my locos.

Regards.............George.
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Re: Soundtraxx PTB100

georgebriscoe10
 

Thanks Marcus. Good to know. Not that interested in changing the address in Ops mode so this should be fine..........George.



To: WiringForDCC@...
From: mammann@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:18:36 +1000
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100





Hi George

My PTB-100 is connected ALL THE TIME to my Program Track.

Any Service Mode programming (the Program Track) goes through the PTB-100. I
program Soundtraxx, QSI, Loksound, Lenz, NCE and TCS.

Some DCC systems don't allow you to change the address in OPS Mode. My NCE
does but only if you go between the Short to Long or Long to Short. I don't
know what the DCS100 (Digitrax) can do.

Regards
Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of georgebriscoe10
Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2010 5:30 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100

Hi All,

I am about to install a PTB100 between my DCS100 and the programming track
so that I can program a recently purchased loco with Tsunami decoder. I can
program all functions bar the loco address via OPs mode but cannot change
the loco address.

Is there any reason why I should not connect this permanently? I have locos
with other decoders and wondered if the PTB100 is suitable for progamming
all of my locos.

Regards.............George.

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Re: The best dcc system to start and grow with.

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Chris

You will get many answers here suggesting a particular system. We are all
biased including me, so you'll have to tell us a little more.

What sort of layout - fixed or walk around?
How many locos are you intending to operate at the same time?
How many operators would you like to have?
Do you want a Computer connection?
Do you want Wireless operation in the future?

Cost would only be part of my decision making.

The most important criteria for selecting a DCC system, is how does the
Throttle feel in your hand and how easy is it to use. The throttle is your
interface between you and your trains. No point on feeling uncomfortable and
finding it is hard to operate. Purchase a system by "road testing" a few and
running a few trains and programming a decoder by both using the Program
Track and "On the Main" - POM.

Remember choose your system carefully AND in the big picture, it is only a
part of the DCC Journey. You'll spend more on decoders, especially if you
add sound to the layout and other DCC stuff.

Now for my recommendation, the best full feature Entry Level system is NCE's
Power Cab that can be easily expanded when your layout expands and you get
more friends coming around to play trains, now that you've gone DCC.

Hope this helps

Regards
Marcus

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Subject: [WiringForDCC] The best dcc system to start and grow with.


Hello everyone!

I am trying to decide on the best for your money dcc to start with and grow!

All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks for the time

Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Vollrath, Don" <dvollrath@...>
Sender: WiringForDCC@...
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:28:16
To: WiringForDCC@...<WiringForDCC@...>
Reply-To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100

The PTB100 is a very good programming track booster. So far, it works with
all decoders, including tsunamis. Hook it up permanently and it will do
everything you want to read and write CVs. I'm not sure about updating
software files into Lok-Sound or QSI decoders. You may still need something
special for those apps.
DonV

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of georgebriscoe10
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:30 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Soundtraxx PTB100

Hi All,

I am about to install a PTB100 between my DCS100 and the programming track
so that I can program a recently purchased loco with Tsunami decoder. I can
program all functions bar the loco address via OPs mode but cannot change
the loco address.

Is there any reason why I should not connect this permanently? I have locos
with other decoders and wondered if the PTB100 is suitable for progamming
all of my locos.

Regards.............George.



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