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Re: Peco double slip insulfrog

tundrathe <tundrathe@...>
 

I am new to DCC. Why does insulfrog or electrofrog matter in terms of wiring for DCC.

thanks

Joe Capizzi

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Elliott Janofsky" <ejanofsky@h...> wrote:

John, Dale Glower talks about the electrofrog double slip not needing much.
Since the insulfrogs of regular type are even more friendly, am assuming
correctly that nothing has to be done for the double slip either? In looking
at it and using it , it seems that way. I guess throwing jumpers in would
help it also. Thanks for the answer. Elliott
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:43 AM
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Peco double slip insulfrog


Hi
I am not sure that you have to do anything with it other than power it.
If you look at the diagram on the wiring for turnouts page then compare it
with the peco insul slip its exactly the same. I haven't laid mine yet but
thats how I see it at the moment. If anybody knows any different please
tell
me..................John
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Sent: 13 December 2005 01:04
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Subject: [WiringForDCC] Peco double slip insulfrog


I'm trying to wire a Peco insulfrog double slip to make it more DCC
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Re: Peco double slip insulfrog

JOHN <jcebay@...>
 

hi
I am new myself but my simple understanding is that insulfrog will work
straight out of the box but you will suffer a dead spot especially with slow
moving shunting locos with limited pickup whereas electofrog requires a
little reworking but offers much better continuity of traction current. A
full explantion with diagrams is available on the turnouts section of the
WiringForDCC page.

John

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of tundrathe
Sent: 14 December 2005 22:09
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Peco double slip insulfrog



I am new to DCC. Why does insulfrog or electrofrog matter in terms of
wiring for DCC.

thanks

Joe Capizzi




--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Elliott Janofsky" <ejanofsky@h...>
wrote:
>
> John, Dale Glower talks about the electrofrog double slip not needing
much.
> Since the insulfrogs of regular type are even more friendly, am assuming
> correctly that nothing has to be done for the double slip either? In
looking
> at it and using it , it seems that way. I guess throwing jumpers in
would
> help it also. Thanks for the answer. Elliott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JOHN" jcebay@n...
> To: WiringForDCC@...
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] Peco double slip insulfrog
>
>
> > Hi
> > I am not sure that you have to do anything with it other than power
it.
> > If you look at the diagram on the wiring for turnouts page then
compare it
> > with the peco insul slip its exactly the same. I haven't laid mine yet
but
> > thats how I see it at the moment. If anybody knows any different
please
> > tell
> > me..................John
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WiringForDCC@...
> > [mailto:WiringForDCC@...]On
> > Behalf Of Elliott Janofsky
> > Sent: 13 December 2005 01:04
> > To: WiringForDCC@...
> > Subject: [WiringForDCC] Peco double slip insulfrog
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to wire a Peco insulfrog double slip to make it more DCC
> > friendly. Any suggestions? Thanks, Elliott
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Expanding from a Digitrax Zephyr system to a Super Empire Builder system

Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
 

The DT400R can be connected to the command station via loconet for
programming. If you are usingthe DB150 as your command station
however, yo will be limited to the DB150 programming features (no CV
readback, no separate programming track).

Or you can re-option your DCS50 as a command station.


6 of one......

Doug


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Ron Massa" <ron@r...> wrote:

Doug: Thanks for the info! This is all still pretty new to me so
I
appreciate "experienced" advice. Can I connect the DT400R
throttle via
loconet (not in simplex radio mode) and use that for programming
instead of
switching the DCS50 back to command station mode? If not,
switching the
DCS50 back to programming mode in the rare occasion that I need to
program
doesn't seem like a big deal.



Regards,



Ronald A. Massa, Sr.

RMA Electronics, Inc.

35 Pond Park Road, Unit #12

Hingham, MA 02043

TEL: 781-749-9700

FAX: 781-749-9707

Email: ron@r...

Specialists in Vision and Imaging since 1986



-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@...
[mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of Doug Stuard
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:44 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Re: Expanding from a Digitrax Zephyr
system to a
Super Empire Builder system



The DCS50 can be optioned to separate the throttle and booster
functions (and disable the command station) so your DB150 can be
used as the command station. The DCS50 manyual describes how to
do
this.

The DB150 can feed your PM42 and the DCS50 can feed yet another
power district for a total of five.

Keep in mind that the DB150, when use as a command station CANNOT
read back CVs, so you may want to keep the DCS50 so you can switch
it back to command station mode for programming.

Doug Stuard
NVNTRAK


--- In WiringForDCC@..., "ahacman" <ron@r...> wrote:

Last year I purchased a Zephyr starter set with DCS 50 all-
in-
one command station/booster/throttle and use it to run my new
layout
(single power district running two locos on a small layout). It
works great! I just purchased a Radio equipped Super Empire
builder
set for my layout expansion currently under construction with
DT400R
throttle and DB150 command station/booster plus an additional
UT4R
throttle, a PM42, plus some other stuff (will probably expand to
6-
8
loco addresses max. with 2 or 3 users max. at a time).



My question is can I switch my Zephyr DCS 50 to a
throttle and booster only to run my original layout portion
(still
as a single power district) and use my new DB150 as my new
booster/command station driving the new expansion subdivided
into
4
new power districts? I will subdivide my expansion into 4 power
stations (main line, freight yard, side spurs, etc.) so I also
purchased a PM42. Do I have to reprogram my current two locos
to
run from the new command station? Since I will be greatly
expanding
my layout I think I would prefer to switch to the DB150 as my
command station now as it will offer more addresses, etc.
although
I
probably will never exceed the 10 max addresses of the Zephyr
DCS150
so I want to do whatever is easiest. Your advice is greatly
appreciated. Thank you.





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DecoderPro

Michael Langford
 

List,

Is anyone using DecoderPro for setting up your decoders? If so can I use
the PR1 and the small portable programming box/track I built with it or do I
need to purchase what they recommend to use with it? Just curious...

Mike Langford
SOO Line 1966-67
Digitrax User Since 1996

Re: [NTrakDCCSIG] DecoderPro

Paul Bender <paul.bender@...>
 

Hi Mike,

On December 17, Mike Langford wrote:
Is anyone using DecoderPro for setting up your decoders? If so can I use
the PR1 and the small portable programming box/track I built with it or do I
need to purchase what they recommend to use with it? Just curious...
Nope, you'll need to use another piece of hardware.

At this point in time, If you want a standalone programming track (i.e. one that
is NOT connected to a standard command station) you'll need to obtain an
SPROG-II from http://www.sprog-dcc.co.uk/ I own the serial version of this
device, and they do work very well.

Alternatly, if you really want to use that PR-1, you could volunteer to write a
JMRI driver for it. You don't necessarilly need to be well versed in Java to
do this, but a little low level programming experience would be helpfull
(especially for a device like the PR-1, where most of the code will be low
level code).

Paul

Solid vs. Stranded Wire

jmscnw <jmscnw@...>
 

For DCC buss wire use, does it matter if I use SOLID or STRANDED wire ?

Re: Solid vs. Stranded Wire

Vollrath, Don <dvollrath@...>
 

For DCC buss wire use, does it matter if I use SOLID or STRANDED wire ?

Not really. Use either type as you desire.
Stranded is more flexible but may require crimped spade/ring lug connections to screw terminal strips if you use them.
Solid wire can be used with screw terminals without any crimped on lugs. May hold twists better than stranded.
DonV

Re: Wiring Walthers/Shin 3-Way Switch for DCC

wirefordcc <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

Dave,

I'm through with final exams. I have added a drawing for wiring the
Walther's 3-way turnout to my website and how to wire it. It is
located at: http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_walthers.htm#a5

Allan

atlas crossing

steven
 

I have an atlas crossing 60 degree, how would i wire that for dcc?
steve

Re: IDC Connectors

steven
 

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Doug Stuard" <dstuard@c...>
wrote:

3M ScotchLok 905 connectors accomodate 18-14 AWG on the "run" and
22-
18 AWG on the "tap" connection. They are single blade
connectors.
I dont believe there is a dual blade (similar to the ScotchLok
567,
12-10 run, 18-14 tap) for your smaller wire.

http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/utilities_telecom/electrical
_contractors/node_GSPV65GVLXbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSBCDFDZ1Zge/g
vel_RZZJLFZNT6gl/theme_us_electricalcontractors_3_0/command_AbcPageHa
ndler/output_html

Doug



b --- In WiringForDCC@..., "John Churchward"
<jcebay@n...> wrote:

Hi
I do not have the catalogue but I have just started wiring
up
and laying
using just those gauges and I have used a 3m scotchlok which has
a
1/4"
blade recepticle built in. That means if you have a problem you
can just
unclip that feeder. It does mean that you have to buy a bag of
blades as
well but you can also put more than one feeder into the blade
if
you want
to.........works well for me

Regards

John Churchward
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Sent: 01 December 2005 00:10
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] IDC Connectors


I am using 14 gauge wire for bus and 20 gauge wire for feeders.
I am not sure which type will work well for DCC.
I have a Mouser catalog which sells several types.





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where do you buy these at? I am wanting to save some labor
steve

AutoReverse Modules

sawlumber2004 <sawlumber@...>
 

I'm thinking about purchasing a PM42 Digitrax because I have 4 sections
that need auto-reverse (or loops). I noticed that the PM42 can power
manage for 4 independent auto-reversing sections. I have an NCE DCC
system. I happened to look through the manual and I think I understand
how to wire it. Is there anything else I need to be aware of? I'm
thinking that the factory default settings will work with my system. I
sure hope so.

This is all new to me and at times very confusing. Do you have any
suggestions about how a beginner can learn all about this stuff?

Thanks
Paul Weaver
sawlumber@...

Re: AutoReverse Modules

Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
 

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "sawlumber2004"
<sawlumber@a...> wrote:

I'm thinking about purchasing a PM42 Digitrax because I have 4
sections
that need auto-reverse (or loops). I noticed that the PM42 can
power
manage for 4 independent auto-reversing sections. I have an NCE
DCC
system. I happened to look through the manual and I think I
understand
how to wire it. Is there anything else I need to be aware of?
I'm
thinking that the factory default settings will work with my
system. I
sure hope so.
The PM42 will certainly do the job, as it can be run independently
from the loconet, but you will need a digitrax throttle to change
any of the settings.

Keep in mind that when a PM42 section is configured as an auto-
reverser, it does not provide short circuit protection (it reverses
the voltage polarity, rather than disconnecting it). Your booster
or other power manager must provide that function.

You might want to consider a PM42 used as a power manager/breaker
followed by AR1 revering modules for your reversing sections.
Another approach would be the Power Shiels and PSRev products from
Tony's Trains. See
http://tonystrains.com/products/tteexclusive_pscb.htm



This is all new to me and at times very confusing. Do you have
any
suggestions about how a beginner can learn all about this stuff?
Read, read, read...If you can get hold of "The Big Book of DCC" from
Digitrax (now out of print, but an updated version is due "soon").

Also, the following dealers have good intro material:

Tony's Trains:
http://tonystrains.com/tonystips/dccprimer/index.htm

Loy's Toys:
http://www.loystoys.com/MiscHTML/dcc-topics.html

and Litchfield Station:
http://www.litchfieldstation.com/university/index.html

After that, Google can help you get as deep into it as you want.

Doug Stuard
NVNTRAK

Thanks
Paul Weaver
sawlumber@a...

Re: AutoReverse Modules

sawlumber@...
 

Thanks for your replies. Yes, I actually have 3 auto-reverse areas and 1
turntable, this is why I was going to use the PM42. I'm using a NorthCoast Pro
DCC unit. Reading the forum I think I would need a DigiTrax throttle to
change any settings to make the PM42 an autoreverse module. Is there any way
around this using the Northcoast since I've already purchased it?

I still have the option to return the PM42 and go a different route.

Is it better with DCC to stay with the products that are the same brand as
your control unit?

Marcus, I will be using the autoreverse module as a return loop. Do you
have any suggestions?

Paul

Re: AutoReverse Modules

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Paul

It depends on whether your sections of track that need voltage polarity
reversing, enter and exit by the same turnout or different turnouts.

For a section that enters and exits the same turnout, I call this a reverse
loop. For a section that enters and exits by DIFFERENT turnouts, I call this
a return loop.

Auto reversers are expensive, so for the "reverse loop" I use a DPST (double
pole single through) switch or a relay that is connected to the operating
throw bar of a turnout. The train enters the reverse loop and to exit the
reverse loop you will have to operate the turnout. This is normal. Operating
the turnout will also operate the switch/relay that will change the polarity
of the track voltage. The train will continue as if nothing happened.

So for a loop that is used for changing the direction of the train a switch
will achieve the same as an auto reverser.

The "return loop" is a different proposition due to the layout construction.
The return loop may be at the end of a yard where either the yard or the
return loop voltage polarity has to be reversed. This can only be done
automatically and easily by using an Auto reverser.

Turntables are another example where an auto reverser and not a switch must
be used.

More information can be obtained by reading Allan's "Wiring for DCC" at:

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#c4

Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of sawlumber2004
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 4:44 AM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] AutoReverse Modules

I'm thinking about purchasing a PM42 Digitrax because I have 4 sections
that need auto-reverse (or loops). I noticed that the PM42 can power
manage for 4 independent auto-reversing sections. I have an NCE DCC
system. I happened to look through the manual and I think I understand
how to wire it. Is there anything else I need to be aware of? I'm
thinking that the factory default settings will work with my system. I
sure hope so.

This is all new to me and at times very confusing. Do you have any
suggestions about how a beginner can learn all about this stuff?

Thanks
Paul Weaver
sawlumber@...







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Re: AutoReverse Modules

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Paul

As you have an NCE system, like me, for an auto reverse unit you must use a
DCC manufacturer not the same as your system. NCE does not make any auto
reversers and have them marketed under the NCE brand. There is no
alternative.

The Digitrax PM42 will most probably work on NCE, but if it required
"adjustment", then this could only be done with a Digitrax throttle.

For users of any DCC system, other than Digitrax, I would only buy units
manufactured by anyone other than Digitrax. These include Tony's Train
Exchange - PS Rev Power Shields. MRC's - AD520 and Lenz's - LK100.

See Tony's site for details for auto reversers at:

http://www.tonystrains.com/technews/dcc_autoreversers.htm

For using the auto reversers on return loops see the above site and Allan's
site at:

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#c4

There are no cheap and simple solutions for "return loops" that operate
automatically and "transparent".

My recommendation for an auto reverser would be Tony's PS Rev. These are
solid state electronic units. I have seen and others have reported problems
with using mechanical relay types of auto reversers. They may cost a little
more but they offer trouble free operation to everyone that uses them.

Marcus.



Original message
Paul said on 23 December 2005 Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] AutoReverse
Modules

Thanks for your replies. Yes, I actually have 3 auto-reverse areas and 1
turntable, this is why I was going to use the PM42. I'm using a NorthCoast
Pro
DCC unit. Reading the forum I think I would need a DigiTrax throttle to
change any settings to make the PM42 an autoreverse module. Is there any
way
around this using the Northcoast since I've already purchased it?

I still have the option to return the PM42 and go a different route.

Is it better with DCC to stay with the products that are the same brand as
your control unit?

Marcus, I will be using the autoreverse module as a return loop. Do you
have any suggestions?

Paul



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Re: AutoReverse Modules

Doug Stuard <dstuard@...>
 

Yes, you do need a Digitrax throttle to configure the PM42. You
might be ablke to find an old DT100 or similar for a song, so it
might not be that bad.

If, however, you still can return the PM42, PowerShield and PSRev
units from Tony's might be a better choice in your application.

Doug Stuard

--- In WiringForDCC@..., "Marcus Ammann" <mammann@o...>
wrote:

Hi Paul

As you have an NCE system, like me, for an auto reverse unit you
must use a
DCC manufacturer not the same as your system. NCE does not make any
auto
reversers and have them marketed under the NCE brand. There is no
alternative.

The Digitrax PM42 will most probably work on NCE, but if it required
"adjustment", then this could only be done with a Digitrax
throttle.

For users of any DCC system, other than Digitrax, I would only buy
units
manufactured by anyone other than Digitrax. These include Tony's
Train
Exchange - PS Rev Power Shields. MRC's - AD520 and Lenz's - LK100.

See Tony's site for details for auto reversers at:

http://www.tonystrains.com/technews/dcc_autoreversers.htm

For using the auto reversers on return loops see the above site and
Allan's
site at:

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#c4

There are no cheap and simple solutions for "return loops" that
operate
automatically and "transparent".

My recommendation for an auto reverser would be Tony's PS Rev.
These are
solid state electronic units. I have seen and others have reported
problems
with using mechanical relay types of auto reversers. They may cost
a little
more but they offer trouble free operation to everyone that uses
them.

Marcus.



Original message
Paul said on 23 December 2005 Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC]
AutoReverse
Modules

Thanks for your replies. Yes, I actually have 3 auto-reverse
areas and 1
turntable, this is why I was going to use the PM42. I'm using a
NorthCoast
Pro
DCC unit. Reading the forum I think I would need a DigiTrax
throttle to
change any settings to make the PM42 an autoreverse module. Is
there any
way
around this using the Northcoast since I've already purchased it?

I still have the option to return the PM42 and go a different
route.

Is it better with DCC to stay with the products that are the same
brand as
your control unit?

Marcus, I will be using the autoreverse module as a return loop.
Do you
have any suggestions?

Paul



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Peco Setrack 100 for DCC

Dianna Lee Sharps <diannaleesharps@...>
 

Open Question to the List,

I looked at wiring for DCC which has electro and insulat but nothing on
setrack.

I have them set frog to frog as a siding a meter in length. One side
of the turnout no problem how the points are set. The other side is
shorted when set to through.

Any help or thoughts?

Dianna Lee

Re: AutoReverse Modules

Marcus Ammann
 

Hi Paul

While researching circuit breakers and auto reversers, I came across this at
Tony’s. An article about auto reverser comparisons. In case you have not
seen it, see it at:

http://www.tonystrains.com/productcompare/dcc_autoreversers_bobd.htm

Marcus

-----Original Message-----
From: WiringForDCC@... [mailto:WiringForDCC@...] On
Behalf Of Marcus Ammann
Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:22 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: RE: [WiringForDCC] AutoReverse Modules

Hi Paul

As you have an NCE system, like me, for an auto reverse unit you must use a
DCC manufacturer not the same as your system. NCE does not make any auto
reversers and have them marketed under the NCE brand. There is no
alternative.

The Digitrax PM42 will most probably work on NCE, but if it required
"adjustment", then this could only be done with a Digitrax throttle.

For users of any DCC system, other than Digitrax, I would only buy units
manufactured by anyone other than Digitrax. These include Tony's Train
Exchange - PS Rev Power Shields. MRC's - AD520 and Lenz's - LK100.

See Tony's site for details for auto reversers at:

http://www.tonystrains.com/technews/dcc_autoreversers.htm

For using the auto reversers on return loops see the above site and Allan's
site at:

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#c4

There are no cheap and simple solutions for "return loops" that operate
automatically and "transparent".

My recommendation for an auto reverser would be Tony's PS Rev. These are
solid state electronic units. I have seen and others have reported problems
with using mechanical relay types of auto reversers. They may cost a little
more but they offer trouble free operation to everyone that uses them.

Marcus.



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Feeder Tester

jmscnw <jmscnw@...>
 

After attaching all feeder connections , is their a tool available
to check all the feeder connections around the layout to make sure
they are supplying power and data ?

Re: Peco Setrack 100 for DCC

wirefordcc <wire4dcc_admin@...>
 

Dianna,

I've never heard of the Peco Settrack. If I am understanding the
description of your problem, it sounds like the rails leaving the frog
need insulated joiners on them. This would make the Settrack like the
Peco Electrofrog. The Electrofrog is on my website at:
http://www.wiringfordcc.com/switches_peco.htm#a2

Give the insulated joiners a try and see if that solves your problem.
There is no risk in you trying this. It won't harm anything if this
is wrong.

Allan