Date   

Re: DPDT Latching Push Button Switches?

Steven Tobias
 

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 12:22 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
Does anyone know where to buy DPDT latching push button switches, preferably in bulk?
Thanks,
Michael Boyle



--
Steven Tobias
Sales Representative, Illinois 

Encision, Inc

 

srtobias29@...

(224) 210-7853

 

www.encision.com

https://www.linkedin.com/company/encision

 


DPDT Latching Push Button Switches?

 

Greetings,
Does anyone know where to buy DPDT latching push button switches, preferably in bulk?
Thanks,
Michael Boyle


Re: Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

Tom Grassi
 

Hello All.

The problem was I guessed wrong.  The connector on the bottom of the turntable has no markings for A B C D  and when working up side down it looks right but it was not.  I flipped the Power and DCC wires on the connector and now it is working 

Thanks for all the help on this 



--
Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


Re: NCE Switch 8 alternative

Alexander Wood
 

Jim,

The turnout status will stay up to date as long as all commands are sent through a Power Pro via throttles/cabs or Mini Panels. They will get out of sync with a button board on a Switch 8, as it has no means of feedback to the Power Pro. If you route all the turnout commands through the Power Pro system, the brand of DCC decoder doesn't matter, it's just taking DCC accessory commands and throwing turnouts. You could have a mixture of different types of decoders and switch machines, as long as they all take DCC input. Although DCC is very limited as a method of controlling accessories, its advantage is that it is a standard, so you can mix and match decoders and the system controlling them. The eventual promise of LCC is that it will be a widely adopted standard for layout controls, unlike LocoNet that is proprietary to Digitrax and companies that Digitrax decides to license it to.

As for other DCC decoders, Digikeijs makes some interesting ones for servos or 3-wire switch machines including the MP1 machines, but they require adapters for slow motion machines. The DCC Concepts Cobalt IP Digital switch machines are pretty neat, they are a little more expensive than using separate decoders and Tortii, but they're easy to install since it's just two wires from the DCC accessory bus. RR-Cirkits makes the Motorman, which can be used with SSB (LocoNet) or as a DCC decoder. There are tons of other DCC decoders, but many cost a lot more on a per turnout basis. There's also DIY options, especially with Arduinos and servos, and if controlled through DCC, it would integrate with the DCC system.

The big advantage of DCC and the DCC standard is that you can, to a large extent, mix and match components from various manufacturers, as no single manufacturer offers best-in-class products in every category.

Alex

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 9:06 AM JimD - G&J--BKRR <jim.donahue.amtrak@...> wrote:
I was hoping to be able to do both. I have enough and can get more button boards (and/or minipanels)  Sometimes operating with a dispatcher, sometimes with just 1-2 operators. 
I realize that a JMRI panel can get out of sync regarding true turnout positions but I believe this can be avoided at the start of a session with a script or possibly turnout feedback through an AIU.
I am no expert, but hopefully gaining a workable knowledge of the amazing system we know as DCC!!! 
Please correct any misunderstandings on my part! 
I did not plan on, nor have any hardware for, a Loconet nor LCC detection/control system.  as I decided my modest railroad (3-4 operators, 6-8 locos; absolute maximum) was within a complete NCE system's capability. "They (the NCE components) play nicely together", a respected groups.io contributor once wrote! :)
I am willing to use a component (accessory decoder) of any manufacturer.

NOTE, latest news: a kind member of the group did have a Switch 8 available so my immediate crisis is resolved but the issue of NCE component availability remains serious. It is my understanding they are working full-time making the Power Cab and remain limited by chip availability for their other products. 

--
Jim Donahue
Old friend of the Battenkill RR/G&J/D&H



--

Alexander Wood

Hartford-New Haven, CT

Modeling the modern era freelanced G&W Connecticut Northern in HO

Digikeijs DR5000 - JMRI - ProtoThrottle - TCS UWT-100 - TCS UWT-50p - Digitrax Simplex


Re: Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

Vincent P. Chianese
 

Don’t really know much about this but why not try the effected engine on a test track not any pf the ones associated with the turntable or bridge.

 

If that loco works on a test track then you problem is within the turntable install.  If it doesn’t work on a test track then you at least know it is faulty.  Now comes a real problem is it faulty due to it’s contact with the turntable or some other reason?

 

My point is if you keep putting locos on the turn table and it is causing the problems in the loco you will soon run out of locos that work.

 

Vinny

919.368.2659

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Grassi via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:46 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

 

Hello ALL,

I removed the base from the layout and this time I marked the NO TRACK ZONES. and Home Base on the Lip of the base.

Now I know where they are when it is placed on the layout.

I reset the turntable and tested main line to bridge still had a problem.

Put the engine on the bridge directly and still no commands to the engine.

So I tried another engine and that worked.   But the commands to the engine are delayed    

Do not understand why the engine with the keep alive had a problem on the turntable  maybe the decoder ?

I am going to setup the other service tracks and try difference engines see how they perform

Any ideas or suggestions?




--
Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


Re: Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

Allan AE2V
 

Hi Tom,

The Walthers Cornerstone turntables have reversing built in.  When wired correctly, you do not need an automatic reversing module.

The key is wiring it right.  Look at the diagram on my website at:

https://wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#a44

It is drawing for general turntables, so it shows a reversing controller.  Since reversing capability is built into the Walthers, you do not need the reversing controller. 

DO NOTE that the tracks on the top of my diagram and the bottom both have the "blue" tracks on the left and the "red" on the right.  DO NOT wire you turntable with the red and blue alternating all the way around the circle.  You can assume the top tracks in my diagram are those tracks going into the roundhouse and the tracks on the bottom are those that bring the locomotive to the turntable from the rest of your layout.  Also note that if you have a situation where a train will go straight across the turntable as might be done with a big loco, you will see that the red and blue rails align.

Walthers does not use electronics to reverse their turntable.  If you have one loco that works and another doesn't, that's a different problem.  The same goes for a loco that responds with a delay.  I'm thinking that the DCC signal on your track is corrupted and the loco is having a hard time getting a good signal.  Is your turntable more than 30 feet from your booster?  Did you twist bus wires leading in the direction of your turntable?|

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC


Re: Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

Tom Grassi
 
Edited

Hello ALL,

I removed the base from the layout and this time I marked the NO TRACK ZONES. and Home Base on the Lip of the base.

Now I know where they are when it is placed on the layout.

I reset the turntable and tested main line to bridge still had a problem.

Put the engine on the bridge directly and still no commands to the engine.

So I tried another engine and that worked.   But the commands to the engine are delayed    

Do not understand why the engine with the keep alive had a problem on the turntable  maybe the decoder ?

I am going to setup the other service tracks and try difference engines see how they perform

Any ideas or suggestions?


I just tested another engine no keep alive and it short circuited also

Something has to be wrong here 

Need help on this thanks




--
Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


Re: Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

Tom Grassi
 

Dave

I flipped the wires on the bridge no change.

Also according to the manual from Walthers they track has auto reversing already built in.

I have a AR10 in stock but  then if that was the case I would need one for each service track?
--
Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


Re: Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

David Klemm
 

Tom,

If you flip the wires on the bridge you would find the short circuit would go away until you rotate the bridge. You need an auto reverser added. 

David Klemm
12 PRO


From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> on behalf of Tom Grassi via groups.io <trgrassijr@...>
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 08:48
To: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io>
Subject: [w4dccqa] Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue
 

I am installing a Walthers 90’  Cornerstone Turntable on my third level.

 

I have the turntable placed.  Leveled off.

 

I have the wiring on the turntable done so my turn table now has power.

 

I added the service tracks   filed down the rails on each service track.

 

The lead in track has power and was coded as track 1

 

I have a total of 7 service tracks

 

I coded 3 and the turntable stops at each one.

 

So far so good.

 

I placed an engine on the lead in track   and ran it into the bridge.

 

When the engine hit the bridge tracks my entire DCC system shutdown I have a short circuit.

 

I use a black and red wire for my feeders

 

My bus line is Blue and brown wire.

 

So on the diagram in the manual they marked the track A and B

 

B I used my Black Wire  and that connects to the Blue wire on the bus line and this is the same for my entire layout.

 

A I used my Red wire and that connects to the Brown wire on the bus line.

 

The engine has a keep alive and when it made its way onto the bridge as I said the entire dcc shutdown and it came back right away the engine keep going even when I changed the speed step to 0

 

So I reset the system.   And I have power on the bridge and the engine is still on the bridge track but I cannot send any command to the engine from my power cab

 

I just placed the engine on the bridge  and still no commands being processed.

 

I put my volt meter on the service track and I have 14 volts which is what I have on all my track on my layout.

 

When I put the volt meter on the bridge track  I do not get the same reading it varies

 

I ideas or suggestions

--
Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


Walthers Cornerstone 90' Turntable DCC Wiring issue

Tom Grassi
 

I am installing a Walthers 90’  Cornerstone Turntable on my third level.

 

I have the turntable placed.  Leveled off.

 

I have the wiring on the turntable done so my turn table now has power.

 

I added the service tracks   filed down the rails on each service track.

 

The lead in track has power and was coded as track 1

 

I have a total of 7 service tracks

 

I coded 3 and the turntable stops at each one.

 

So far so good.

 

I placed an engine on the lead in track   and ran it into the bridge.

 

When the engine hit the bridge tracks my entire DCC system shutdown I have a short circuit.

 

I use a black and red wire for my feeders

 

My bus line is Blue and brown wire.

 

So on the diagram in the manual they marked the track A and B

 

B I used my Black Wire  and that connects to the Blue wire on the bus line and this is the same for my entire layout.

 

A I used my Red wire and that connects to the Brown wire on the bus line.

 

The engine has a keep alive and when it made its way onto the bridge as I said the entire dcc shutdown and it came back right away the engine keep going even when I changed the speed step to 0

 

So I reset the system.   And I have power on the bridge and the engine is still on the bridge track but I cannot send any command to the engine from my power cab

 

I just placed the engine on the bridge  and still no commands being processed.

 

I put my volt meter on the service track and I have 14 volts which is what I have on all my track on my layout.

 

When I put the volt meter on the bridge track  I do not get the same reading it varies

 

I ideas or suggestions

--
Tom Grassi
trgrassijr@...


Re: NCE Switch 8 alternative

Don Vollrath
 

Why don’t you just purchase another NCE switch 8 and continue with whatever method you had working?


DonV


Re: NCE Switch 8 alternative

JimD - G&J--BKRR
 

I was hoping to be able to do both. I have enough and can get more button boards (and/or minipanels)  Sometimes operating with a dispatcher, sometimes with just 1-2 operators. 
I realize that a JMRI panel can get out of sync regarding true turnout positions but I believe this can be avoided at the start of a session with a script or possibly turnout feedback through an AIU.
I am no expert, but hopefully gaining a workable knowledge of the amazing system we know as DCC!!! 
Please correct any misunderstandings on my part! 
I did not plan on, nor have any hardware for, a Loconet nor LCC detection/control system.  as I decided my modest railroad (3-4 operators, 6-8 locos; absolute maximum) was within a complete NCE system's capability. "They (the NCE components) play nicely together", a respected groups.io contributor once wrote! :)
I am willing to use a component (accessory decoder) of any manufacturer.

NOTE, latest news: a kind member of the group did have a Switch 8 available so my immediate crisis is resolved but the issue of NCE component availability remains serious. It is my understanding they are working full-time making the Power Cab and remain limited by chip availability for their other products. 

--
Jim Donahue
Old friend of the Battenkill RR/G&J/D&H


Re: NCE Switch 8 alternative

thomasmclae
 

Are you controlling the switchits from jmri/digital system or from push buttons?
--
---
Thomas
DeSoto, TX


NCE Switch 8 alternative

JimD - G&J--BKRR
 

As I build out my layout with the great help from these forums, I've run into the problem of having too few Switch 8 MK2 decoders. So far my system is 95% NCE with the 5amp Power-Pro, 3 AIU's, 3 Switch8's, Light-its, and 2 Minipanels being installed as I go. All of these components were purchased several years ago but are finally getting their chance to shine! And so far so good.  I need to control  5-7 more Tortoises. I have exhausted all avenues/searches to get just one more Switch 8. I do not want to loose momentum, finally getting to build a layout I designed. I am open to any suggestions regarding possible alternatives. I am only superficially aware of other manufacturers' product lines but would be willing to learn if it is a reasonable option. Thank you.

Jim Donahue
Old friend of the Battenkill RR/G&J/D&H


Re: Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

Bryan Marino
 

Thanks, Jim, the alcohol was a quick-fix, as I’m installing the roundhouse and garden tracks.  I have contact cleaner inbound this week and will use that exclusively for the contacts. I appreciate your advice, many thanks.

 

Cheers, Bryan

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jim Betz
Sent: April 27, 2022 10:06 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

 

Bryan,
  Although you have a working turntable now - the use of "rubbing alcohol" is
not recommended for cleaning contacts.  Rubbing alcohol has a lot of oil in
it (to make the rubbing smooth) and that oil will usually/eventually create a
problem in the very parts you are cleaning.
  The recommended cleaners for any kind of contact surface are "contact
cleaner" or a high percentage isopropyl alcohol (such as 90%).  
  I have had enough trouble caused by the use of rubbing alcohol that I'd
recommend you get a better cleaner and go back and redo what seems to
be working.  At a minimum get the correct cleaner and when it fails again
use that instead of rubbing alcohol.
                                                                                - Jim in the PNW

 


--
N & W


Re: Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

Jim Betz
 

Bryan,
  Although you have a working turntable now - the use of "rubbing alcohol" is
not recommended for cleaning contacts.  Rubbing alcohol has a lot of oil in
it (to make the rubbing smooth) and that oil will usually/eventually create a
problem in the very parts you are cleaning.
  The recommended cleaners for any kind of contact surface are "contact
cleaner" or a high percentage isopropyl alcohol (such as 90%).  
  I have had enough trouble caused by the use of rubbing alcohol that I'd
recommend you get a better cleaner and go back and redo what seems to
be working.  At a minimum get the correct cleaner and when it fails again
use that instead of rubbing alcohol.
                                                                                - Jim in the PNW


Re: Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

Wil Davis
 

Another option, if your layout is DCC controlled, is to remove all of the electronics and power the motor with a simple motor decoder.  I did this for a friend's N Scale layout using old ConCor turntables.  Smooth operation and easy to to stop where you need it.  It's manual, but works surprisingly well.

Wil


Re: Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

esimard
 

My older turntable died, Walthers no longer has parts to repair. Since the motor worked I installed a small decoder, gave it an unused address and control it with a throttle. Of course you then use the eyeball method to align.

Subject to fat thumbs and strange spell check changes. _Ernie


Re: Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

Bryan Marino
 

Allan, the alcohol worked great, thank you.

 

Cheers, Bryan

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Allan AE2V
Sent: April 25, 2022 4:29 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Walthers 130' dc turntable, how to maually index

 

Since the turntable is controlled by electronics, there probably is no simple way to convert the TT to operate with a couple of push buttons.  Fortunately, I think I have a simpler solution for you.  You probably just need to clean the contacts at the center of the turntable on both the turntable pit and under the bridge.  Be careful with the bridge!  Don't bend the contacts or you are screwed.

Ideally, you should use contact cleaner.  Rubbing alcohol may work well enough.  You can get contact cleaner from All Electronics.

Note:  The old Walthers TT with the gray controller is not compatible with the new TT with the blue controller.  

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

 


--
N & W


Re: question on buss wire connections

Jerry Michels
 

Thanks so much to the two Dons and Steve. This clarifies my situation and reinforces my opinion that this is great site for problems with DCC. Thanks again. Jerry Michels

141 - 160 of 13702