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Re: Wiring Peco Electrofrog - Tortoises - Occupancy Detectors

Bruce Kingsley
 

I didn’t see an option to include pictures in posts. 


Regards,
Bruce Kingsley
Yakima WA

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On Feb 19, 2021, at 7:08 AM, wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:

Hi Bruce,

Can you upload a sketch of a trouble spot and how you have it wired?  It sounds like you have a few places that need insulated joiners/gaps.

Allan
Wiring for DCC


Re: Wiring Peco Electrofrog - Tortoises - Occupancy Detectors

Tim
 

If you are doing CTC controlled sidings, the turnout (and short sections of track around it) is called an "OS Section" and should be its own, very small signal block, no connected to the main track or the siding on either side of it.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


Re: Wiring Peco Electrofrog - Tortoises - Occupancy Detectors

wirefordcc
 

Hi Bruce,

Can you upload a sketch of a trouble spot and how you have it wired?  It sounds like you have a few places that need insulated joiners/gaps.

Allan
Wiring for DCC


Wiring Peco Electrofrog - Tortoises - Occupancy Detectors

Bruce Kingsley
 

I've wired my Peco Electrofrog turn-outs with Tortoises per the "Peco Turnout" page and they work great. The part I'm struggling with is rule of thumb for the connections of the multiple track feeder sources when using Occupancy Detectors (BDL168). On areas where the track is a dead end, the detection is correct. But when used in a siding for example, I get multiple dictions due to the turnout wiring connecting adjoining occupancy blocks on either end.


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Tim
 

A couple of things to watch out for
 
1- Don't use one AR for more than one reversing section
2- Don't arrange the track so that you go from one AR directly into another. That will completely confuse and hose things.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Don Vollrath
 

Yes you can attach the output wires of an AR until to more than one place within the AR section of track. May help bypass misc poor rail connections, etc. Just make sure you have a consistent rail polarity.

DonV


Re: Atlas Switches

John White
 

I have pretty much the same setup, including some of the slide switches and I also use a mini toggle with a momentary push button to activate the switch motor. Works pretty well. Hope this helps
John White


Re: Atlas Switches

Drew Aldridge
 

Any momentary SPDT switch from an electronics supplier will work. It will be labeled (On) Off (On). The brackets () designate momentary.

I just bought one myself yesterday to check some uneeded switches. 


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Blair
 

If I understand you, Charles, what I'd advise is connecting the reverser at the center of the reversing section, feeding the reverser from the nearby bus feeding the rest of the track.

Blair


On 2021-02-17 10:53, Charles Cauble wrote:
I’m studying and planning how to connect the isolated reversing sections on my layout. One question bothering me is if the section is long and you can’t connect it directly to the bus line, can you split the auto reversing’s two wires and attach them at two different places?


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Charles Cauble
 

I’m studying and planning how to connect the isolated reversing sections on my layout. One question bothering me is if the section is long and you can’t connect it directly to the bus line, can you split the auto reversing’s two wires and attach them at two different places?


Re: Atlas Switches

Daniel Brewer
 

Hi Jimmy,

I use MRCS MP1 v2 switches. 

http://www.modelrailroadcontrolsystems.com/mp1-version-2-switch-motor/

They are  1.5" wide, 1.5" high by .5" deep and I mount them on top of my layout right next to the turnout. I use 1/2" foam for my sub roadbed and just bury them with a thin sheet of styrene over them and add scenery materials. The throw wire (I use straightened large paperclips) can be ent to conform to the edge of your roadbed so they are virtually undetectable. You can mount them under the base layer ( I use 3/16" luan) as well with small screws.

Dan


Re: Atlas Switches

Tim
 

You can use any momentary switch for this. For instance:
Two separate momentary push buttons
2 pole center off momentary toggle switch (returns to center off position when released)
Wand and screws (put screws in the control panel connected to the L and R connections on the snap relay. Power supply goes to the C connection on one side and the wand on the other.)
(Admittedly extravagant) LCC nodes and switch driver cards.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


Re: Atlas Switches

John Myers
 

Tortoise under table switch machines are very good. Walthers and others make machines, too. Who holds the purse strings:)?


On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 8:04 AM James Cunningham via groups.io <jccowboys825=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Guys 

I’m currently using on my DCC layout Atlas turnout motors with a Atlas Snap relay and of 
course Atlas switches. is there another switch I can use the atlas slide switch has tendency
of getting stuck and burning up the motor and snap relay.  


                 Thank You 
                 Jimmy       
        PS Love Your Group Great Information


Atlas Switches

James Cunningham
 

Hi Guys 

I’m currently using on my DCC layout Atlas turnout motors with a Atlas Snap relay and of 
course Atlas switches. is there another switch I can use the atlas slide switch has tendency
of getting stuck and burning up the motor and snap relay.  


                 Thank You 
                 Jimmy       
        PS Love Your Group Great Information


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Blair
 

How about giving us a hint, Steve, as to where you would gap?  Similar to my sketch, or differently?

Blair

On 2021-02-15 22:02, Steve Haas wrote:

>>>>> Charles, I took a shot at a solution.
Three reverse loops.  <<<<<

 

I can wire that layout with two reversing _sections_, plus the turntable.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Unknown Programming Mode

Jim Betz
 

Eric,
  I suggest you might find better help for this kind of stuff on either the
JMRIusers or the LCC groups.io groups.  I think you are going to need
someone who understands DCC, Arduino, and USB at the hardware
level - and software as well.
                                                                                      - Jim


Re: Unknown Programming Mode

Jim Betz
 

Eric,
  I'm sorry - I thought you were using an NCE USB board.  If this is some
kind of Arduino set up (seems like it from your response) then I'm clueless
how to help you because I've only 'played around' with the Arduinos and
am -not- trained on anything electronics.
                                                                                                - Jim


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Steve Haas
 

>>>>> Charles, I took a shot at a solution.
Three reverse loops.  <<<<<

 

I can wire that layout with two reversing _sections_, plus the turntable.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Paul O <pomilian@...>
 

Charles, I replaced my photo because I had one of the isolators in the wrong location at Rev Loop 1.
Also I cleaned up all of your polarity markings to make my changes a little clearer.
You can re-add your polarity markings and see if you agree with my three reverse loops.
(Covid isolation and a lot of snow outside with nothing better to do.)   ;-)


Re: Where to isolate on large loops and wye

Blair
 

Clarification - the reversing section does not need to include the turnout at E, but must be long enough for your longest train, as does the reversing loop at the bottom, from turnout A to turnout C.

On 2/15/2021 4:39 PM, Blair & Rasa wrote:
Tim, Charles

I think I've unfolded it correctly, and I see only one reversing section technically required; however, I think for operations sake, it would be better done as two separate pieces with a long non-reversing section between them.  See sketch "reversing.jpg" and markup "Charles sketch annotated.jpg" in your folder.

Blair




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