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Re: Auto Reverse Question

Pete
 

I just bought and installed two Digitrax BXPA1 AR modules.  I dont know anything about juicers, I'll have to do some research.
Are juicers better than the AR modules I bought?
Is the TM circuit breaker seperate from the juicer?
Would the TM  circuit breaker work with my Digitrax ARs tha same as with your juicer?
Thanks for your help,
Pete

Re: Auto Reverse Question

mgj21932
 

Pete, 
I'm using Tam Valley frog juicers as AR (Hex Juicer handles up to 3 AR sections).  I use the TM circuit breaker because it is "slower" than the ARs so they detect the short and switch cycles/polarity quicker than the circuit breaker can trip.  
I understand a common problem is circuit breakers that trip faster than the AR.  Not good.  Some Circuit breakers can have timing adjusted but that is beyond my plug-and-play ken.  
Bill

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 12:02:40 PM EDT, Pete via groups.io <kayakerpc@...> wrote:


Thanks Bill, like your summary. 
I did all the steps you mention for my ARs with the exception of the "separate circuit breaker between the AR and your power supply & controller".
My layout is HO and I have two AR sections.
What circuit breakers do you recommend?
Are there any other places I should have circuit breakers?

Re: Auto Reverse Question

Pete
 

Thanks Bill, like your summary. 
I did all the steps you mention for my ARs with the exception of the "separate circuit breaker between the AR and your power supply & controller".
My layout is HO and I have two AR sections.
What circuit breakers do you recommend?
Are there any other places I should have circuit breakers?

Re: Help with wiring a reverse loop

wirefordcc
 

Hi Nick,

Unless I missed something, the problem isn't the loop; it is the wye.  You have a couple of simple options.

1.  Make the loop and most of the wye, part of your auto reverse section. The turnout on the right would not be part of the auto reverse section.

2.  You could use a relay attached to the turnout on the right of the wye that will reverse the polarity of the rest of the reverse section.

See my website at:  http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#c3  Wye diagram "B" is the closest one to your situation.  I show the two tracks going into the wye as green/blue can be shorter to the point that only the turnout in green/blue needs to be not reversing.  The part shown in red/black would be your reversing section.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: Auto Reverse Question

mgj21932
 

Nick,

I am fairly new at this DCC wiring and certainly am not an electronics expert.  But I’ve read a lot and learned even more from this group.  

From what I understand you can wire the AR segment with more than one entrance as long as the entrances are from segments that is not themselves wired for AR.  (Two AR segments back-to-back will fight one another.).  

Segment your power bus with a branch to serve the AR track segment.  Put your AR switch in line on the power bus branch, up-stream from your track feeders for that segment.  Then wire the track feeders normally and your AR will work whichever way a train enters.  

Be sure to have a separate circuit breaker between the AR and your power supply & controller.  

Use insulating connectors at both ends of the AR segment (and at any other point of connection to an adjacent non-AR segment). 

Please, anyone, if I’ve got that wrong, correct me.  No hard feelings here.   Trying to be helpful but testing limits of my knowledge too. 

Bill Demarest


On Apr 12, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Nick Nelson via groups.io <nnelson97@...> wrote:

I am wiring an area of my layout that has an interior loop with multiple entrances.  This loop may need to be reversed depending on the direction in which a train enters it.  I have seen several diagrams showing a single entrance but not one for two.  Is this possible is the first question, and if so, where do i connect my auto reverser or revesers to it.  I am using a digitrax system.  If i could upload a diagram i would.
Thanks
Nick 

Re: Help with wiring a reverse loop

Carl
 

Hello Nick:

To me it looks like the upper left side of the Wye could be the reversing section. Only trains crossing this area can reverse direction.

Pick a point above the Wye and call it "center". Then think of trains circling CW or CWW around this point. Actually with your Wye once a train changes from CW to CCW there isn't a way to reverse to CW without backing up.

Carl.

On 4/12/2020 8:26 PM, Nick Nelson via groups.io wrote:
I have a internal loop that can cause several reverse.  I am looking for some assistance with where to set my auto reverser as well as insulated.  I have uploaded my layout in the photos under Nicks Layout.  The issue in question is the inner loop on the left side.
Thanks
Nick

Help with wiring a reverse loop

Nick Nelson
 

I have a internal loop that can cause several reverse.  I am looking for some assistance with where to set my auto reverser as well as insulated.  I have uploaded my layout in the photos under Nicks Layout.  The issue in question is the inner loop on the left side.
Thanks
Nick

Auto Reverse Question

Nick Nelson
 

I am wiring an area of my layout that has an interior loop with multiple entrances.  This loop may need to be reversed depending on the direction in which a train enters it.  I have seen several diagrams showing a single entrance but not one for two.  Is this possible is the first question, and if so, where do i connect my auto reverser or revesers to it.  I am using a digitrax system.  If i could upload a diagram i would.
Thanks
Nick 

Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

pekka_groups
 

And I correct myself: Should have read the subject field more carefully: You are using the PL 26, so please ignore previous message, sorry

pekka

Ps: Always remember to put brain into gear before engaging mouth :(

On 2020-04-02 20:33, pekka_groups via groups.io wrote:
Are your other turnouts operating well?

According to this:

https://www.maurienne-trains.com/images/Image/Peco/PL-11%20Instructions.pdf

it apppears that the green wire is the common, not the black. Did you connect the green wire(s) to one output of the CDU and the red and black wires through push buttons to the other output terminal of the CDU?

Did you test the motors before installing them to the turnout? Did the motors throw when you touched the wires with DCUs output wires (green to one output terminal and either red or black to the other terminal)?

Are you using push buttons or toggle switches? The PL-11 point motors should NOT be operated with ordinary toggle switches. Use push buttons or momentary centre-off toggle switches which will return to center-off position when relased. Those are often referred as "mom-off-mom" or "(on)-off-(on)".

The drawing on the instruction sheet is -- I think -- misleading: the PL-26 point operating switch is a strange animal: it is a momentary switch and the common terminal is not the center terminal! If you are using ordinary two way toggle switches, the capacitor will be held discharged and it will not become charged unless it is disconnected (due to release of finger on button, or toggle switches returning to center-off position). If you are using three-way center-off toggle switches, the common terminal is most often the center terminal, and the point motor's red/black wires should be connected to the two outermost connectors. See, if the switch (if you are using a toggle switch) has any markings that would confirm which connector is the common terminal.

I hope this helps.

pekka

On 31.3.2020 16.33, James Cunningham via Groups.Io wrote:
HELP 

I have a Peco three way turnout trying to wire the switch to motor using a CDU and 16v 2amp power supply it does nothing but make noise will not work  can you please tell me what i’m doing wrong

    Thanks 
      Jimmy
On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Michael Maioriello <bronxstrings@...> wrote:

What gauge are you using, also what system do you use. I uses Lenz system 3.6 and must use circuit breakers. The science behind this is that LENZ Invented that’s out there and smart people ran with free technology. I am not up-to date on the newer systems to pick from. Good Luck!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've read, and been told, to offset the rail gaps between power districts. What is the science behind this and do we do that everywhere (for example in a reversing loop)?
Thanks,
Michael



Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

pekka_groups
 

Are your other turnouts operating well?

According to this:

https://www.maurienne-trains.com/images/Image/Peco/PL-11%20Instructions.pdf

it apppears that the green wire is the common, not the black. Did you connect the green wire(s) to one output of the CDU and the red and black wires through push buttons to the other output terminal of the CDU?

Did you test the motors before installing them to the turnout? Did the motors throw when you touched the wires with DCUs output wires (green to one output terminal and either red or black to the other terminal)?

Are you using push buttons or toggle switches? The PL-11 point motors should NOT be operated with ordinary toggle switches. Use push buttons or momentary centre-off toggle switches which will return to center-off position when relased. Those are often referred as "mom-off-mom" or "(on)-off-(on)".

The drawing on the instruction sheet is -- I think -- misleading: the PL-26 point operating switch is a strange animal: it is a momentary switch and the common terminal is not the center terminal! If you are using ordinary two way toggle switches, the capacitor will be held discharged and it will not become charged unless it is disconnected (due to release of finger on button, or toggle switches returning to center-off position). If you are using three-way center-off toggle switches, the common terminal is most often the center terminal, and the point motor's red/black wires should be connected to the two outermost connectors. See, if the switch (if you are using a toggle switch) has any markings that would confirm which connector is the common terminal.

I hope this helps.

pekka

On 31.3.2020 16.33, James Cunningham via Groups.Io wrote:
HELP 

I have a Peco three way turnout trying to wire the switch to motor using a CDU and 16v 2amp power supply it does nothing but make noise will not work  can you please tell me what i’m doing wrong

    Thanks 
      Jimmy
On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Michael Maioriello <bronxstrings@...> wrote:

What gauge are you using, also what system do you use. I uses Lenz system 3.6 and must use circuit breakers. The science behind this is that LENZ Invented that’s out there and smart people ran with free technology. I am not up-to date on the newer systems to pick from. Good Luck!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've read, and been told, to offset the rail gaps between power districts. What is the science behind this and do we do that everywhere (for example in a reversing loop)?
Thanks,
Michael



Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

James Cunningham
 

Thanks Rob  

Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

Max Maginness
 

To ask a more basic question

 

Are these HO turnouts?

Are they the type where the blades of  one switch can become jammed against the other set unless it is moved first?

Max

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Sutcliffe
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:24 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

 

The other issue these turnouts may have is wheel tread bridging at the frogs.

May have to use the nail polish trick to prevent shorts.



On Apr 1, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Robert Morrison via groups.io <robmorrison42@...> wrote:

 

Jimmy,

The PL-11 instructions seem to have some exceptions regarding 3-ways. The most common problem is not getting the PL-11 properly aligned and set against the ties. I don’t have a 3-way to look at but I think they would be awkward to work with because of the two throw bars close together. 

Try the Peco web site for help

Rob Morrison

 

 

Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

Richard Sutcliffe
 

The other issue these turnouts may have is wheel tread bridging at the frogs.
May have to use the nail polish trick to prevent shorts.

On Apr 1, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Robert Morrison via groups.io <robmorrison42@...> wrote:

Jimmy,

The PL-11 instructions seem to have some exceptions regarding 3-ways. The most common problem is not getting the PL-11 properly aligned and set against the ties. I don’t have a 3-way to look at but I think they would be awkward to work with because of the two throw bars close together. 

Try the Peco web site for help.

Rob Morrison


Re: Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

Robert Morrison
 

Jimmy,

The PL-11 instructions seem to have some exceptions regarding 3-ways. The most common problem is not getting the PL-11 properly aligned and set against the ties. I don’t have a 3-way to look at but I think they would be awkward to work with because of the two throw bars close together. 

Try the Peco web site for help.

Rob Morrison

Wiring Peco PL26 Switch to PL11 motor

James Cunningham
 

HELP 

I have a Peco three way turnout trying to wire the switch to motor using a CDU and 16v 2amp power supply it does nothing but make noise will not work  can you please tell me what i’m doing wrong

    Thanks 
      Jimmy

On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Michael Maioriello <bronxstrings@...> wrote:

What gauge are you using, also what system do you use. I uses Lenz system 3.6 and must use circuit breakers. The science behind this is that LENZ Invented that’s out there and smart people ran with free technology. I am not up-to date on the newer systems to pick from. Good Luck!

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:18 PM Michael Boyle <boyle10017@...> wrote:
Greetings,
I've read, and been told, to offset the rail gaps between power districts. What is the science behind this and do we do that everywhere (for example in a reversing loop)?
Thanks,
Michael



Re: couplers for kato gp 30

ted tyson
 

ooops sorry


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:

Let us keep this forum focused on DCC wiring issues.

Thank you

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

Re: couplers for kato gp 30

wirefordcc
 

Let us keep this forum focused on DCC wiring issues.

Thank you

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

couplers for kato gp 30

ted tyson
 

does anyone know which mtl couplers (assembled) i need to put on a kato gp 30...it has the clip with the copper "spring" in it    the conversion chart wasnt much help thx

Re: wiring

ted tyson
 

ok thx


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:51 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:
Hi Ted,

NCE is probably recommending it for less than 5 amp systems due to the size of the supplied feeders.

If you are using your MRC system with electronic circuit breakers, which would lower the available current before tripping, to less than 5 amps.  Doing something like this has always been my recommendation.  Eight amps is a lot for a short in an HO system, so electronic circuit breakers are advisable.  Or set your MRC to output no more than 5 amps.

Even then, it is a good idea to use electronic circuit breakers with trip points set to say 2.5 - 3 amps for HO.  You are trying to run trains, not weld!

However you get below 5 amp max to your track, the NCE product should serve you well.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: turnout machines

ted tyson
 

ok thx guys


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 AM mgj21932 via Groups.Io <mgj21932=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ted Tyson,

Tam Valley (tamvalleydepots.com) also has a line of switch machines, servos, controllers, etc. you might consider.  What I find particularly attractive are (1) they have a fully compatible set of wires that facilitate connecting all the elements together; and (2) they have fascia buttons pre-wired with colored LEDs to indicate switch direction.  Easily mounted on a schematic of you layout.

Duncan McRee can be very helpful.  dmcree@...

Just another option.

Bill D

On Friday, March 27, 2020, 07:23:00 PM EDT, ted tyson <ttyson55@...> wrote:


can you tell me who makes (or where i can get) those machines...and thank you!
Ted

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:34 AM wirefordcc <bigboy@...> wrote:
Hi Ted,

Yes, you can still use your Atlas snap switch machines.  Normally, these were powered off the Accessory output of a power pack which was AC.

If you wanted to, there are some DCC turnout controllers that can drive Atlas snap switch machines.  These provide a pulse.  If you want to do this, make sure you pick one that is designed for twin-coil switch machines like the Atlas snap switch machines.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC