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Re: wire strippers

 

I pretty much do the same thing as you but use bare copper grounding
wire in what is essentially a knob and tube system.   No need to strip. 
I use nylon cable clamps to keep the wires separated. 
https://www.electriduct.com/Nylon-Cable-Clamps.html

Regards,

Ken Harstine

Re: DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

John Heaps
 

Hi Allan,

Thanks for your reply.

Tam Valley market the Dual Frog Juicer as an auto reverser.  Their documentation says "This board can be configured to use as an automatic polarity reverser for two frogs, a reversing loop, a turntable, a wye, or a crossing."  A jumper is used to connect 2 pins to use as an auto reverser.

I am using 2 Dual Frog Juicers as auto reversers on my home layout and they do a good job. This layout is DCC only and will never be exposed to DC.

I contacted Tam Valley. Their reply was: 

"Many people have used the frog juicers with DCC and DC on a layout and no one has had any units go bad.
So it is safe to do."

As many people have used them on both DCC and DC I thought there may be some on this list who could give me the benefit of their experience.

I know it will not reverse polarity with DC but wondered if it would allow the DC power to pass through as if was not there. Maybe I need a follow up email to Tam Valley.

My young grandson was very disappointed that I could not take my home layout to a exhibition my club held recently. The new layout is being built as a result of that and to some extent is experimental and I'm trying some things I have not done before.

Cheers,

John Heaps,

Vic. Australia.


On 1/12/2019 12:19 pm, wirefordcc wrote:

Hi John,

Have you contacted Tam Valley and asked them?  You are planning to use the Frog Juicer in a layout in a way it wasn't intended.  I don't want to guess and be wrong.

I thought you said you weren't going to use the crossover when using DC.  If Tam Valley says you won't harm their juicer, one thing is for sure, the juicer won't be able to reverse polarity when DC is applied.  A juicer can reverse polarity for DCC because the DCC power signal is a form of AC.

Good luck!

Allan
Wiring for DCC

Re: wire strippers

dalemuir2@...
 

Hi Vince,

 

Thanks for the tip. I bought a Klein 11061 wire stripper based on your recommendation. It works great on all wire sizes, solid and stranded. It removes the sheath from multi-strand cable without cutting or nicking the wire inside. I strip the middle of solid 12 and 14 gauge bus wires for soldering track leads. I'm throwing out my old Radio Shack stripper.

 

This tool is worth every penny.

 

Dale Muir

Geneva, IL

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io [mailto:w4dccqa@groups.io] On Behalf Of Vincent Ficca
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 10:14 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] wire strippers

 

Hi Greg:

 

 

The wire strip I use is Klein tools 11061 wire stripper.  I use it to strip solid and stranded wire.  It works great on my layout bus wires that are stranded #12 and #14 gauge wire.  I solder all my track drops to the bus wire.

The wire strip does a gread job of stripping the wire in the middle and at the ends.  Small wire gauge I have done are telephone wire and CAT 5e 24/4 which I use for wiring my Tortoise switch machines, signaling etc..  Wire stripper will remove the cover of the CAT 5e wire and expose the 4 pair of wires, which I then remove with the same wire stripper. I remove the individual wire cover, exposing the solid wire for inserting into the wire holes at the end of the tortoise switch machine for soldering,  The other ends go into euro wire terminals.  FYI, I am building a large layout, so I have a lot of wirestripping done and to do.

I appreciate seeing the email question, because it remind me to order two more of the wire spripper on Amazon for $19.97 each, plus taxes. Free shipping with Amazon prime.

It is worth trying.

 

Vince

 

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:08 PM Greg Smith <gcscls@...> wrote:

I have a number of 'standard' wire strippers to do anything from 8 to 24 size.  However, they are for stripping the end of wires.  Are there wire strippers for taking out just  a section of the sheath so I can add feeders to a long power buss?  I have tried doing it with a pocket knife.  It works but is time consuming and it does scratch/nick the wire.
Greg

Re: DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

wirefordcc
 

Hi John,

Have you contacted Tam Valley and asked them?  You are planning to use the Frog Juicer in a layout in a way it wasn't intended.  I don't want to guess and be wrong.

I thought you said you weren't going to use the crossover when using DC.  If Tam Valley says you won't harm their juicer, one thing is for sure, the juicer won't be able to reverse polarity when DC is applied.  A juicer can reverse polarity for DCC because the DCC power signal is a form of AC.

Good luck!

Allan
Wiring for DCC

Re: Slip Rings for Turntables.

wirefordcc
 

Hi Carl,

One could possibly make a slip ring out of a hair dryer or curling iron work.  The challenge is that the slip ring is likely molded into the housing and may be difficult to separate it.  It may also be a challenge to center it up on the turntable.  Since no two models are likely to be the same, it is hard to give advice on doing this.  Still, if you can get a hair dryer or curling iron for a few dollars, it is worth a try.

Thanks

Allan 

Slip Rings for Turntables.

Chuck
 

Another source of slip rings may be your local hobby source. Look for
the slip rings used for things such as RC Tank Turrets.

Chuck

Slip Rings for Turntables.

Carl
 

Hello Allan:

Another source for a slip ring would be electric hair curling irons. I've played with these at Goodwill and thought they would work.

Carl.


Re: DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

John Heaps
 

Hi Carl and Allan,

Thank you for your replies.

My plan was to wire it as in the diagram in Allan's website.

However I want to be able to run with either DCC or DC.
When running with DC the crossover will not be used, hence no reverse section.

If a reverser, such as a Tam Valley Dual Frog Juicer, has DC applied to it will it:
1. be damaged ?.
2. allow the DC to go through to the track, or do I have to isolate the Dual Frog Juicer ?

I will also need to use a DPDT switch to reverse the polarity of one of the tracks ( one of the black tracks on Allan's diagram) between the end loops when running under DC.

Cheers,
John Heaps,
Vic. Australia.

On 30/11/2019 11:23 am, wirefordcc wrote:
On my website is a diagram with a folded dogbone and crossovers.

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#a43

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

Re: DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

John Heaps
 

Hi Carl and Allan,

Thank you for your replies.

My plan was to wire it as in the diagram in Allan's website.

However I want to be able to run with either DCC or DC.
When running with DC the crossover will not be used, hence no reverse section.

If a reverser, such as a Tam Valley Dual Frog Juicer, has DC applied to it will it:
1. be damaged ?.
2. allow the DC to go through to the track, or do I have to isolate the Dual Frog Juicer ?

I will also need to use a DPDT switch to reverse the polarity of one of the tracks ( one of the black tracks on Allan's diagram) between the end loops when running under DC.

Cheers,
John Heaps,
Vic. Australia.

On 30/11/2019 11:23 am, wirefordcc wrote:
On my website is a diagram with a folded dogbone and crossovers.

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#a43

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

Re: DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

wirefordcc
 

On my website is a diagram with a folded dogbone and crossovers.

http://www.wiringfordcc.com/track_2.htm#a43

Allan Gartner
Wiring for DCC

Re: DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

Carl
 

Hello John:

Your layout plan is similar to Jim Behling's layout which I helped wire. His is a folded dog bone with three crossovers wired as reversing loops. With hind sight I now see only the end loops could have been wired as reversing sections.

I would think the longer loops would be easier to wire than the short crossovers. And any reversing options would work fine.

Carl.

On 11/27/2019 7:23 PM, John Heaps wrote:
Hi,

I am building a second N scale layout. My existing permanent layout in a 12m x 6m room is powered by an NCE Powercab.

I'm building a smaller portable layout with my grandson to be powered by DCC++ . I also want to be able to run it with DC.

The layout will be a dogbone style and will have two crossovers between the two tracks, hence creating reverse loops. When running under DC these crossovers won't be used so I only have to worry about reverse loops when running under DCC.

I plan on using Tam Valley Dual Frog Juicers as auto reversers. ( I use these on my permanent layout)

I plan on using a 4PDT mini toggle switch so I can completely isolate the Dual Frog Juicers when running DC.

I contacted Tam Valley who told me many people use Dual Frog Juicers with both DCC and DC, even though they say they don't operate under DC.

My questions.

How have other people wired the layout if using Dual frog Juicers with both DCC and DC ?

Would the contacts on a 4PDT mini toggle switch stand up to the rigour of having an auto reverser operating through them ?

Cheers,

John Heaps,

Victoria Australia.





DCC/DC and Dual Frof Juicer as Auto Reverser.

John Heaps
 

Hi,

I am building a second N scale layout. My existing permanent layout in a 12m x 6m room is powered by an NCE Powercab.

I'm building a smaller portable layout with my grandson to be powered by DCC++ . I also want to be able to run it with DC.

The layout will be a dogbone style and will have two crossovers between the two tracks, hence creating reverse loops. When running under DC these crossovers won't be used so I only have to worry about reverse loops when running under DCC.

I plan on using Tam Valley Dual Frog Juicers as auto reversers. ( I use these on my permanent layout)

I plan on using a 4PDT mini toggle switch so I can completely isolate the Dual Frog Juicers when running DC.

I contacted Tam Valley who told me many people use Dual Frog Juicers with both DCC and DC, even though they say they don't operate under DC.

My questions.

How have other people wired the layout if using Dual frog Juicers with both DCC and DC ?

Would the contacts on a 4PDT mini toggle switch stand up to the rigour of having an auto reverser operating through them ?

Cheers,

John Heaps,

Victoria Australia.

Lack of speed

ianpreston4@...
 

Hello all;

First post...

I have fitted a TCS M1 decoder to a DC N scale KATO 10-173 651 Series “Super Hitachi” 

 

The train ran really well as a DC unit.

 

I only connected the red and black (track) and orange and grey (motor) wires.

 

I have an NCE Power Cab DCC system and the decoder is detected on the programming track.    It allows me to change the loco number, CVs etc.   Because of the internal lighting in the train the NCE detects a short when the whole train is on the programming track but it still allows programming.   When just the motor carriage is on the programming track there are no problems.

 

My problem is the speed that the train is running at.   As a DC unit it used to fly to the point that at full throttle it wouldn’t make the curves.   As a DCC unit it barely makes half of the speed it used to.

 

I timed the motor carriage only around a 7.6 meter loop and at 50% throttle it took 13.2 seconds.   At 100% it took 13 seconds.   In other words, virtually the same.

 

I set CV2 to 50, CV6 to 128, CV5 to 255 (from the factory defaults of 000) and it made no difference.

 

Am I missing something or are there other CVs to change to get a better performance?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ian

Re: MT N scale motor brush cap soldering

Perry A Pollino
 

Yes i am using default address of 03. I removed the decoder and put it on an ESU decoder tester and nothing there either. So a bad decoder I suppose.  Working on getting warranty waiting to here back from seller. ESU said I need to work through them. 
I am working in N scale I tried to clip the contact clips from the board after modifying the board did not work. They did not seem to make good contact.and I was worried about risk of shorting to the frame. 
The plug on the new ESU V 5 makes it a bit thicker that the V4. unfortunatly this is y first install and I do not have a v 4 to 

On Monday, November 25, 2019, 10:26:54 PM CST, Don Batman <donbatman1952@...> wrote:


are you using 003 as loco address? This is usually default address for
new decoders.
If the motor cap is broken - only motor should be affected. Light and
sound should still work.
proper way to solder motor wires is to leave a little bit of the
terminal sticking off of the actual top cap and solder to that bit and
not directly to the brush cap.
May be easier to get new motor than repair the one you have.



Re: wire strippers

Don Batman
 

I use Vice Grip brand automatic stripper for this. Think it came from
Lowes. Just feed the wire in and squeeze handles .

Re: MT N scale motor brush cap soldering

Don Batman
 

are you using 003 as loco address? This is usually default address for
new decoders.
If the motor cap is broken - only motor should be affected. Light and
sound should still work.
proper way to solder motor wires is to leave a little bit of the
terminal sticking off of the actual top cap and solder to that bit and
not directly to the brush cap.
May be easier to get new motor than repair the one you have.

MT N scale motor brush cap soldering

Perry A Pollino
 

Folks,
I attempted to do my first N scale decoder install that was not a drop in.
It was a failure.
It is a ESU V5. The first mistake I made was not testing the decoder. so I am not sure if it is my installation or a bad decoder.
I am getting no lights, sound or movement. I have checked for voltage to the decoder with my RR ramp. so pick up is good. I have power to the decoder. Makes me think bad decoder.
However, That is not my reason to write this group.
I tried to solder to the brush cap. I think I may have overheated the cap. I tried high heat fast in an out but, i saw the cap move a bit. hence why I think I may have overheated it.
My question. How to remove a brush cap on Micro trains N scale motor?
If it makes a difference I have the MT FT. I have several I want to do. 
Thanks
Perry

Re: wire strippers

Greg Harter
 

Our club (25 years+) uses solder for track drops and some track joiners.  We have seen a few instances where (unsoldered) track joiners stop conducting electricity.  All other connections on the layout are with 12-wire nylon connectors(between 8-foot tables), Tortoise screw connectors, and of course many suitcase connectors.  The 12 wires conduct electricity for track buss, Tortoise buss, and accessory buss.

We have a large HO layout, four mainlines, two levels connected via a helix, and operate on DC and DCC.  We have DCC detector boards where mainlines are connected which will not permit crossovers to operate if both lines are not on the same current.  Easy to use and we have had no problems with this system, has been in operation for several years.

Greg Harter
Columbus Area Railroad Club
Columbus, Indiana

Re: wire strippers

thomasmclae
 

We have a 3000 Sqft layout at the club with soldering only inside control panels, turnout motor pigtails and track drops.
All buss wires connect to terminal strips between each table, with local power branching off with spade logs stacked on the terminal strips.
Track drops go to terminal strips within 6 inches, then fed to control panels with crimped spade lugs.

When we had some track drops backward and miss labeled, swapping connections took less than 1 minutes to unscrew and move wires. And no solder drippings either.
More options are available than melting metal.

Thomas
DeSoto, TX

Re: wire strippers

 

Vessel make a stripper that will probably do what you want.  It does not remove the insulation but if the insulation is compliant it will expose a section.

https://www.vesseltools.com/handtools/wirestrippers/3000-series-detail

I have had my for more than 30 years.

Best

Ken Harstine