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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
Denny Anspach
ESD SAFE reportedly is the sign that the iron is grounded and labeled to be safe for CMOS and similar electronic work. My current Weller is so labeled, and apparently it is the same iron also commonly used in the nearby gigantic Intel plant (California location).
Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Okoboji, IA
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento CA
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
Greg Smith
Thank you for the info. Still, I will test it the next time I fire it
up. Has generated some conversation on the forum. My shop, wired by
myself, does have a separate ground wire and all receptacles are new three prong
plugs. So that should not be an issue.
From: Denny
Anspach
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 3:31 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Current through the soldering iron
tip ESD
SAFE reportedly is the sign that the iron is grounded and labeled to be safe
for CMOS and similar electronic work. My current Weller is so labeled, and
apparently it is the same iron also commonly used in the nearby gigantic
Intel plant (California location).
Denny
Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento CA
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Power Boosters
Obeeone
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
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Re: Power Boosters
Mark Gurries
It is possible to mix them. Some, but is gets complicated, special wiring, rules, not supported by manufactures and your on your own for any consequences.
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DCC Power Boosters - Mix or Match
ROBERT HULTMAN
There's an article in the July 2019 Model Railroader reviewing several different DCC systems. Suggest reading thru it for some basics. In general, my impression form the article was No, but refer to the specs for the system-systems under consideration. Bob Hultman in Brentwood TN
On Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 10:06:38 PM CDT, obeeone@... <obeeone@...> wrote:
Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
Max Maginness
I did a census of soldering irons on hand
All were two wire except the WES D51 In no case was the leakage current to ground more than 20 microamps. There is no personal shock hazard but you might not want to touch a hot tip for other reasons anyway.
Max
From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 1:18 PM To: w4dccqa@groups.io Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Current through the soldering iron tip
Thank you for the info. Still, I will test it the next time I fire it up. Has generated some conversation on the forum. My shop, wired by myself, does have a separate ground wire and all receptacles are new three prong plugs. So that should not be an issue.
From: Denny Anspach Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] Current through the soldering iron tip
ESD SAFE reportedly is the sign that the iron is grounded and labeled to be safe for CMOS and similar electronic work. My current Weller is so labeled, and apparently it is the same iron also commonly used in the nearby gigantic Intel plant (California location).
Denny
Denny S. Anspach MD Okoboji, IA
Denny S. Anspach MD
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Re: Power Boosters
ronmerrill69
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Re: Power Boosters
Hi, I have mixed Lenz and Digitrax. Just read the instructions. Dennis
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 05:06, <obeeone@...> wrote: Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx. --
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Re: Power Boosters
scott toro
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Re: Power Boosters
vincent marino
Theorectically you should be able to because all up to date manufacturers use national standards. However if the boosters you're using have any age and considering how tempimental DCC is, I would recommend single source manufacturer for a new layout. Think about it, if you tracking down a problem you're not going to know if it's a short or a manufacturer conflict. I like to say "never enough time (or money) to do it right always enough time to do it over".
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 11:06 PM <obeeone@...> wrote: Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.
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Re: Power Boosters
whmvd
Hi Obie-wan, Even if you get it working technically (and some combinations should be workable), think of the nightmare when you need advice from a manufaturer because one day something doesn't want to play anymore. As soon as you admit to mixing brands, each will point to the other, and you will be left with no help except for the internet (which isn't bad, but having the manufacturer jump ship *is*). So my response: better not. Wouter
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 04:06, <obeeone@...> wrote: Can anyone help me with this question? I'm re-entering the train scene but I'm asking if I am able to "mix-n-match" brands of power boosters. In other words, say I have an NCE DCC system. Can I add a Bachmann or Digitrax or any other brand as a power booster, or must the power booster be of the same brand system? Can I mix them? Thanx.
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
When soldering feeders on you layout and large circuit boards there is enough leakage to ground to take care of the problem. Also the track connections of the decoder is the least susceptible to this problem because of the power capacitor that is on the board. The smaller the decoder the greater the risk.
Best Regards, Ken Harstine
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
JBJudy
I am looking for clarification as I have this Weller unit & it is NOT MARKED ESD SAFE!
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
On Jun 13, 2019, at 9:33 AM, JBJudy wrote:
I am looking for clarification as I have this Weller unit & it is NOT MARKED ESD SAFE!Then don't do decoder or electronic work with it. I wouldn't risk smoking a decoder with a non-ESD safe iron. Craig Zeni Cary NC
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
Don Vollrath
ESD Safe is not the exactly the same as current leakage or as simply grounding the tip of a soldering iron. There is as special spec and requirements for it to protect sensitive electronic equipment.... like microprocessors and amplifiers used inside decoders. Remember seeing sparks from your fingers when handling wool sweaters in dry humidity conditions? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_discharge.
BTW - When you use a grounded soldering iron make sure that whatever thing you are soldering to is NOT energized. Otherwise you are creating a direct path for current to flow from whatever source it is connected to by touching it with a grounded soldering iron. DonV
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Re: Current through the soldering iron tip
Michael Rozeboom
On 2019-06-13 9:33 a.m., JBJudy wrote:
I am looking for clarification as I have this Weller unit & it is NOT MARKED ESD SAFE!
Then it is not. ESD safe units are identified with the ESD safe
symbols. Older units have the three prong plug, and they are not
ESD safe.
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Michael Rozeboom
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Re: Power Boosters
Mark Gurries
No one is following the DCC standards in US. No one has changed the design of their boosters since they were designed and release well before the standard came out a long time later.
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Re: Power Boosters
Jay
Hi!
This may fit the bill. It works with several manufacturers Command Stations. It is available in the US from Iron Planet Hobbies. Here is the MFG website: https://www.digikeijs.com/en/dr5033-adj-dcc-booster-3-amps.html Jay
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Re: Power Boosters
Chuck
You might also take a look at this for a simple add on booster.
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http://www.tamvalleydepot.com/products/dccbooster.html Chuck Filson
On 2019-06-12 8:35 p.m., obeeone@... wrote:
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