Date   
Programming

Michael Shockley
 

To Lee Phillips 

For Digitrax you need a DT400 or 402 throttle. Plug it in to the loconet. Power on the system. Put the loco on the track. Press the PRGM button and look at the throttle display window. 
For main track programming, it should show Po. If you’re using a programming track the choices are PH, Pd, Pg. To change between these keep pressing the PRGM button. Some decoders respond better to one over another. 
To choose which CV turn the left knob. To set the value turn the right knob.
Hope this gets you started. 
Mike Shockley 

Re: Programming

John Johnston <towboatjohnston@...>
 

Lee,

 

I also am a beginner at CVs on a Digitrax layout.  I struggled to program CVs with my DT402 throttle.  I have found using JMRI on my laptop to be MUCH easier and less confusion.  JMRI is free, but I had to buy a PR4 to connect my laptop to a short length of dedicated programming track.  It was well worth  the investment.

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Shockley via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 1:47 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] Programming

 

To Lee Phillips 

For Digitrax you need a DT400 or 402 throttle. Plug it in to the loconet. Power on the system. Put the loco on the track. Press the PRGM button and look at the throttle display window. 

For main track programming, it should show Po. If you’re using a programming track the choices are PH, Pd, Pg. To change between these keep pressing the PRGM button. Some decoders respond better to one over another. 

To choose which CV turn the left knob. To set the value turn the right knob.

Hope this gets you started. 
Mike Shockley 

K.I.S.S.

PennsyNut
 

I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: K.I.S.S.

george hohon3
 

Spot on comments. I too am amazed at how many responses don't even address the requestor's question or inquiry.  It's like they didn't even read the post, or if they did, they just want show their level of ignorance.


On May 20, 2019, at 9:51 AM, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:

I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: K.I.S.S.

David Klemm
 

Morgan

How is telling a person something that requires an understanding of hexadecimal and bits simpler?  Obviously he didn’t know what he didn’t know but giving advice on a solution that allows the use of plain English versus bits is a simpler solution.  Sure the person could have done a better job of leading the person with the question to that conclusion by showing what it means to have to program the ‘old’ fashioned way. 

David Klemm
Xs Max


From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> on behalf of PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:52
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] K.I.S.S.
 
I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: K.I.S.S.

Tom O'Hara
 

I'm afraid that we are getting close to causing grief here, but there is a significant point to be made. Programming can be done easily with the basic DCC system. There is no need for hexadecimal or bits. It can be done with standard base-ten numbers. As I said previously, I have done this on three different systems. (And I do comprehend hex.)

Later, if he wants to add Decoder Pro, it will still be there. I don't want to argue the pros and cons of approaching the programming by different methods. That's starting to sound like the start of a war. But is IS easy to program with a command station and a throttle. I do it all the time, and I do have Decoder Pro available for times when I want to use it.

.....Tom

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:24 PM David Klemm <davidklemm7511@...> wrote:
Morgan

How is telling a person something that requires an understanding of hexadecimal and bits simpler?  Obviously he didn’t know what he didn’t know but giving advice on a solution that allows the use of plain English versus bits is a simpler solution.  Sure the person could have done a better job of leading the person with the question to that conclusion by showing what it means to have to program the ‘old’ fashioned way. 

David Klemm
Xs Max

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> on behalf of PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:52
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] K.I.S.S.
 
I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC



--
... Tom

Re: programming CV

Mike Hoggard
 

Well done Morgan. I am 87 on Saturday and am building my first model rail layout in the loft. It is 12ft x 15 ft. And I use Roco multiemaus as my system. I might upgrade later. I have 30 locomotives fitted with decoders and four of them with sound. My biggest problem theseays is reading the small print in instruction manuals. I can still climb the loft ladder into the loft so that,s good. Mike Hoggard
--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 19/5/19, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:
Q
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] programming CV
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Date: Sunday, 19 May, 2019, 16:21

Lee: being 83 is not a
bad thing. I'm 80. And had been an armchair modeler for
too many years. Just restarted a new layout and DCC. And
that's why I wrote about how I went about it. Using
online tools can help, and I worked my way through the
CV's with just the manuals and YouTube. Check for online
videos that show how.  I have a Zephyr and do those
CV's one at a time. No fancy computer stuff - yet! And
no one to come and help me. So if I can do it, so can
you!
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: K.I.S.S.

Richard Gagnon <richg_1998@...>
 

When I started, I used the KISS method. I followed the instructions in my NCE power cab manual and decoder CV listing. Used Google for any questions. No need for JMRI or asking questions in forums. Any issues, reset decoder.

Rich



On Monday, May 20, 2019, 2:44 PM, Tom O'Hara <tomohara5@...> wrote:

I'm afraid that we are getting close to causing grief here, but there is a significant point to be made. Programming can be done easily with the basic DCC system. There is no need for hexadecimal or bits. It can be done with standard base-ten numbers. As I said previously, I have done this on three different systems. (And I do comprehend hex.)

Later, if he wants to add Decoder Pro, it will still be there. I don't want to argue the pros and cons of approaching the programming by different methods. That's starting to sound like the start of a war. But is IS easy to program with a command station and a throttle. I do it all the time, and I do have Decoder Pro available for times when I want to use it.

.....Tom

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:24 PM David Klemm <davidklemm7511@...> wrote:
Morgan

How is telling a person something that requires an understanding of hexadecimal and bits simpler?  Obviously he didn’t know what he didn’t know but giving advice on a solution that allows the use of plain English versus bits is a simpler solution.  Sure the person could have done a better job of leading the person with the question to that conclusion by showing what it means to have to program the ‘old’ fashioned way. 

David Klemm
Xs Max

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> on behalf of PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:52
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] K.I.S.S.
 
I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC



--
... Tom

Re: K.I.S.S.

Gandy Dancer
 

I think they are trying to show off - how superior they are.  They really turn off the novice.  


On May 20, 2019, at 10:38 AM, george hohon3 <Hohon3@...> wrote:

Spot on comments. I too am amazed at how many responses don't even address the requestor's question or inquiry.  It's like they didn't even read the post, or if they did, they just want show their level of ignorance.


On May 20, 2019, at 9:51 AM, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:

I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: K.I.S.S.

Gandy Dancer
 

Once again - an excellent post.  


On May 20, 2019, at 9:51 AM, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:

I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: programming CV

Joseph A. Correro, Jr.
 

I am only 73, but I have a lot of learning to do!

Jody



"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away!"


On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:45 PM Mike Hoggard via Groups.Io <swingfour=btopenworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
Well done Morgan. I am 87 on Saturday and am building my first model rail layout in the loft.  It is 12ft x 15 ft. And I use Roco multiemaus as my system.  I might upgrade later.   I have 30 locomotives fitted with decoders and four of them with sound.  My biggest problem theseays is reading the small print in instruction manuals.  I can still climb the loft ladder into the loft so that,s good.  Mike Hoggard
--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 19/5/19, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:
Q
 Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] programming CV
 To: w4dccqa@groups.io
 Date: Sunday, 19 May, 2019, 16:21

 Lee: being 83 is not a
 bad thing. I'm 80. And had been an armchair modeler for
 too many years. Just restarted a new layout and DCC. And
 that's why I wrote about how I went about it. Using
 online tools can help, and I worked my way through the
 CV's with just the manuals and YouTube. Check for online
 videos that show how.  I have a Zephyr and do those
 CV's one at a time. No fancy computer stuff - yet! And
 no one to come and help me. So if I can do it, so can
 you!
 Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC






Re: K.I.S.S.

whmvd
 

Tom,

Have you tried explaining to someone how to properly put together a long address field and program it? How to assign outputs to functions? Did you enjoy it? Did the recipient? And have you seen what DecoderPro does instead?

I don't see any argument for beginners being well off with just CV numbers and values they often have to cobble together in the most unintelligable way, whether decimal or hexadecimal - both are a pain, only a different sort of pain.

BTW: trying to get a 'last word' in there and then saying you don't want to argue the pros and cons does not work. At all. If you start an argument, you will get to hear the other side.

As to the original post: I think it's a tiny minority of cases where a beginning poster is overloaded with too much and too difficult information. Yes, it happens. Sometimes by somebody explaining at a level that is not appropriate for the audience. Yes, it is a pity when that does happen. On the other hand, it is very often impossible to give factually correct information without getting into the nitty-gritty. Difficult things being, well, difficult. But we can all only try. And I'm sure we all do. Sometimes more successfully than at other times.

Wouter

Wouter


On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 19:45, Tom O'Hara <tomohara5@...> wrote:
I'm afraid that we are getting close to causing grief here, but there is a significant point to be made. Programming can be done easily with the basic DCC system. There is no need for hexadecimal or bits. It can be done with standard base-ten numbers. As I said previously, I have done this on three different systems. (And I do comprehend hex.)

Later, if he wants to add Decoder Pro, it will still be there. I don't want to argue the pros and cons of approaching the programming by different methods. That's starting to sound like the start of a war. But is IS easy to program with a command station and a throttle. I do it all the time, and I do have Decoder Pro available for times when I want to use it.

.....Tom

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:24 PM David Klemm <davidklemm7511@...> wrote:
Morgan

How is telling a person something that requires an understanding of hexadecimal and bits simpler?  Obviously he didn’t know what he didn’t know but giving advice on a solution that allows the use of plain English versus bits is a simpler solution.  Sure the person could have done a better job of leading the person with the question to that conclusion by showing what it means to have to program the ‘old’ fashioned way. 

David Klemm
Xs Max

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> on behalf of PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:52
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] K.I.S.S.
 
I want to address a problem I see. Not specifically this forum. But when someone asks a question, has a problem, etc. Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice. I did respond about CV's in a K.I.S.S. manner because that's what I thought the original request was for. Not to go buy more. A DC402 is NOT required. A PR4 is NOT required. The simple Zephyr or whatever will suffice until the beginner/novice/requester get his/her feet wet. After a bit of experiment, and a little more confidence, he/she can then decide on Decoder Pro or whatever. Sorry for this if it offends anyone. I do not intend to do that. I only request that y'all be considerate of other people. And don't "over-answer" with advice that is premature.
JMRI is a great product, so is downloading JAVA, and so is buying a PR4/or equivalent.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC



--
... Tom

Re: Not planning on a Reversing Triangle on my next Layout.

Joseph A. Correro, Jr.
 

What is your inference "Not in Mississippi" mean?
A bit racist aren't you?

Jody


"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away!"


On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:10 PM Mark Cartwright via Groups.Io <marcdecapri=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you for both of your replies...
Now combine them....
I have a very long reply which is in the Drafts...
To save you all the tedious time of reading it...
Here is the Gist:

You need to get the whole locomotive through the Switch Turnout BEFORE It encounters yet another aspect of Connectivity...or even physics.

So the front pilot can not derail through the turnout and the drivers should remain rigid as one or it confused at the frog.
Further...The tender wheels need to clear the turnout before the pilot wheels encounter the next conductivity.
How do you do that in a WYE ?
Good Luck with that...!
Cause for now...No WYE's 
Only Three #12 Turnouts.
Once I can circumnavigate my House and 25x30 foot layout....
Will I pick up the Gambit of Auto-Reversers ?
Not until I install LokSound Decoders with Sound into several of my Steam Locomotives.
Each of those will require 12 or so hours of labor and concentration.
======
Got Oak Tress and Rolling Hills ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZocpwWLsyE

It's all about the money Boys !
After purchasing several defunct layouts which never came to be....
I began to create my own Oak Trees and Rolling Hills which depict California.
NOT Mississippi.
Thank you for the conversational hiatus.
I refuse to be a Man of Constant Sorrow.
:)) Mark

It's not really about the money nor the constant collecting of this stuff (which may nor may not work).
It's about completing an Operational Layout with Trees in your life time.
I am feeling a bit guilty for buying so much of this stuff from Widows; as another of my few friends from High School may not survive the week.

Re: programming CV

Scott Nelson
 

To reply directly to your questions:

A "CV" is a "configuration variable".  In decoders, they have a number of things that can be configured.  That configuration is done via numbered CVs.  For example, the "primary address" is configured via CV 1.

There are many ways to program CVs.
  • One way is to program using a throttle via the command station, such as your Digitrax system.  You didn't mention which Digitrax system or the throttles you have, but the manual that came with your Digitrax system should tell you how to do that.
  • Another way is to use hardware/software combination to program CVs.  For example, using a LocoNet to USB converter (like Digitrax's PR4) and JMRI's Decoder Pro.  If Decoder Pro knows about the particular decoder you are trying to program, it can take those CV values and make them more "user friendly".  For example, Decoder Pro might give you a bunch of checkboxes to choose some options from instead of you trying to do binary arithmetic and converting from binary to hexadecimal and/or decimal. 

Re: Not planning on a Reversing Triangle on my next Layout.

Dave Swinford
 

It’s a movie reference for the old folk song Man of Constant Sorrow. 
Dave




On Tuesday, May 21, 2019, 6:13 AM, Joseph A. Correro, Jr. <joedeyejr@...> wrote:

What is your inference "Not in Mississippi" mean?
A bit racist aren't you?

Jody


"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away!"


On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 1:10 PM Mark Cartwright via Groups.Io <marcdecapri=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you for both of your replies...
Now combine them....
I have a very long reply which is in the Drafts...
To save you all the tedious time of reading it...
Here is the Gist:

You need to get the whole locomotive through the Switch Turnout BEFORE It encounters yet another aspect of Connectivity...or even physics.

So the front pilot can not derail through the turnout and the drivers should remain rigid as one or it confused at the frog.
Further...The tender wheels need to clear the turnout before the pilot wheels encounter the next conductivity.
How do you do that in a WYE ?
Good Luck with that...!
Cause for now...No WYE's 
Only Three #12 Turnouts.
Once I can circumnavigate my House and 25x30 foot layout....
Will I pick up the Gambit of Auto-Reversers ?
Not until I install LokSound Decoders with Sound into several of my Steam Locomotives.
Each of those will require 12 or so hours of labor and concentration.
======
Got Oak Tress and Rolling Hills ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZocpwWLsyE

It's all about the money Boys !
After purchasing several defunct layouts which never came to be....
I began to create my own Oak Trees and Rolling Hills which depict California.
NOT Mississippi.
Thank you for the conversational hiatus.
I refuse to be a Man of Constant Sorrow.
:)) Mark

It's not really about the money nor the constant collecting of this stuff (which may nor may not work).
It's about completing an Operational Layout with Trees in your life time.
I am feeling a bit guilty for buying so much of this stuff from Widows; as another of my few friends from High School may not survive the week.

Re: programming CV

PennsyNut
 

Mike: First, thanks for the response. My answer for you. Whenever I obtain something new, I immediately go online to see if I can download the manual. Digitrax is great for this. Get as many manuals downloaded as you think you "might need". Then, you've got the zoom to help read. I am at the place in my life where I use the OptiVisor just to read paper books. The prescription glasses only do so much. And. I do this for everything, especially Air Conditioners. LOL
Morgan Bilbo, getting better at DCC

Re: Purpose of this Q&A Forum

PennsyNut
 

I heartily agree. And sincerely hope I don't violate this rule. When responding to a question, I try to put myself in that person's place and answer what I think he/she needs to know. This is a great forum and thanks to Allan for having it here. Since I first started reading it, I realized it is a great help to beginner and others too.
So to keep this sane, I strongly suggest we K.I.S.S.
Thanks again to Allan Gartner.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: K.I.S.S.

Gary Chudzinski
 

Morgan Bilbo writes:   Why do the responses all seem to be: 1> over a beginners head. 2> involve spending money. 3> and sometimes confuse the original requestor. I see this a lot. A man asks about CV's and he gets told to buy a PR4 or it's equivalent to get JMRI and JAVA. Yes, that's good advice, but that isn't what the requester asked. And since I'm guessing that most requester's are novices or beginners, why overload them with future advice.  

Morgan,
Being one whose technical knowledge is somewhere between high tech and new to DCC, I think I can answer your question using the KISS principle!  My observation is that when some individuals with a vast technical knowledge answer a technical question, they don't always respond to the most elementary level of the persons understanding.  This is not a slam at these folks, but there is such a wide range of DCC knowledge and understanding by members of the groups. io Lists that it's difficult to respond to the technical level of each.  I share your frustration at times, but I find responding directly, off list, to the person that has confused me brings results.  I think for the most part, if a person bothers to respond to questions, they are willing to clarify and help individually as much as possible.  When new to DCC, there is a lot to learn and patience, study, re-reading the manuals are all necessary!  It might also be helpful to identify in your post, that you are new to DCC with very limited understanding of DCC vernacular.  That should enhance a KISS response!  Hope this helps. 




DCC Questions and Answers ONLY

wirefordcc
 

This forum has existed for over 20 years.  It has been a place where people could ask their questions and give answers without worrying about being attacked.  This is not a chat group.  It is a Q&A Forum.  The forum has never needed to be moderated.

We seem to be having trouble with this lately.  Therefore, limit your comments to DCC questions and answers ONLY.  If I have to delete another message, I will start banning people from the forum without further comment.  If I have to, I will switch the forum to be a moderated one.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC

Re: DCC Questions and Answers ONLY

Don Poitras
 

Atta boy Allan!.......no monkey business👍
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Sent: May 21, 2019 9:34:01 AM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] DCC Questions and Answers ONLY
 
This forum has existed for over 20 years.  It has been a place where people could ask their questions and give answers without worrying about being attacked.  This is not a chat group.  It is a Q&A Forum.  The forum has never needed to be moderated.

We seem to be having trouble with this lately.  Therefore, limit your comments to DCC questions and answers ONLY.  If I have to delete another message, I will start banning people from the forum without further comment.  If I have to, I will switch the forum to be a moderated one.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Allan Gartner
Wiring For DCC