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Re: going from bachmann to Hell and Back.

Mark Cartwright
 

Sending Back to Bachmann...
Over and Over Again...Expecting a Different Result..is my definition of Insanity in Model Railroading.
Yet it is done all the time.
Not Me...

I purchased several N Scale Athearn/Roundhouse 2-6-0's/2-8-0's via eBay on the cheap
http://spookshow.net/loco/mdc280.html
http://spookshow.net/loco/mdc260.html

For around $20-$30 each and even put DCC in a few of them.
AFTER !?!?!?

I spend upwards of 12 hours on each one...CORRECTING Manufacturing Issues missed during fit and finish assembly.
I believe these specific locomotives had been sent back to Athearn and then unloaded on eBay.
Even the good folks at Athearn USA won't actually work on them....Walther's does the same...and I have no idea what Bachmann actually does.
But I don't care....
Good !
No problem for me...I would rather buy cheap and fix it myself  = than buy expensive and then be disappointed.
You can't expect a fish to climb a tree....- Albert
The name of my Cat who often looks over me as I work at my Roll Top Desk.
When i get up..to take any sort of break...I roll the top down...For Albert sometimes thinks he can fix it better than me !
Perhaps he does as it crashes to the floor.....
Thank you Albert...I have been wanting to smash that thing against the floor for many a past hour.
However....
Eventually correcting as many as 20 separate issues per locomotive...YES ! I can get nearly any locomotive to work and run well.
Bachmann?
Not me...Instead, I have been fortunate enough to have a Neighbor who burned himself out on the Hobby...I believe cause of Bachmann and his Dusty Garage.
Again I got my Bachman Cheap ...
Which includes...

Yes, the Bachmann Two Truck Shay.
Mine Works...but i believe it needed all new NWSL Gearing to complete it's journey.

Not all Spectrum is created equally yet all of it needs some tweaking.
:)) Mark


Re: going from bachmann to peco

PennsyNut
 

Stacey: 1>mixing track is possible, as others have said. Use the right joiners. 2 Yes, the same code. (but 75 is european proto, code 83 is American.) 3>If you refer to PECO electrofrogs. They are OK, but require special wiring. The w4dccqa web site has instructions and diagrams. 4>need clarification. But turnouts need to be powered separately from the layout. Use separate wiring, etc.
Keep asking questions, and try to be as clear as you can. I can speak for all in that "we are here to help".Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: going from bachmann to Hell and Back.

PennsyNut
 

Oh my gosh! I've heard of this all my life, and yet - Botchman still is in business. Someone tell me how they do that? But if you want a specific prototype, you must spend more money. At least we don't have to buy brass. There's some good locos for sale.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: DCC Meters

PennsyNut
 

Oh my gosh! If it's "low cost", why not go to Harbor Freight. They have meters for free with a purchase of something. The free meters do what we need. Not specific to DCC, but we can utilize them to read DC volts and AC volts. And the main thing is consistency. I hook the command station to the middle of the layout and measure both AC and DC voltage at each end. And if the readings are equal at each end, you have consistency. And you can also measure continuity of current, as well as the resistance. What you sacrifice is the accuracy of the more expensive meters. If you want more, you pay more. But what's not to like about free? I have 3 of them. And even though they may not read all the same, it's that consistency that counts. IMHO.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: DCC Meters

Jay
 

A regular VOM will not give an accurate reading.
With a VOM, you have to use the AC setting.
The DCC signal is read as AC by the meter.
It is an approximation that can be as far as 5v off, depending on the quality of the VOM
Another method is needed to get the correct voltage, hence this thread.

Jay

Re: Buss wire

PennsyNut
 

I have solved my problem in another way. Since I had tons of AWG 20. I simply ran a separate wire from the rail to the command station. At the C.S. end, used terminal blocks. Connected two wires to each screw and all screws wired to the C.S. with AWG 18. That's only about a foot. The longest wire from a rail to the C.S. is just shy of 12 feet. All others are shorter. There are now a total of 19 wires at the C.S. 10 blue and 9 red. All easy to wire, all connected to the C.S. with screws. And all have feeders of less than 12" connected to the same AWG wires as a buss. I hope this is clear. I tested with 3 different H.F. meters. Measured AC volts, DC volts, resistance and continuity of all tracks at various places/each end and in between the ends and the C.S. and all readings are consistent. Loco runs fine with no slowdown or change in speed. Not sure how to measure amps. (Am not about to spend money on a RRamp).But what works, works. Thanks to all for your suggestions. And since I'm such a contrarian. All wires are on top of the foam and all run from the rails to the front edge of the layout and run along that front to the place where the terminal blocks are and the C.S./a Zephyr also on top. Everything easy to reach, easy to work with, easy to check for shorts, etc. All wires soldered or with screw connectors. No sloppy. All color coded. All just the way I wanted. But because of all your suggestions and advice, I am now a happily wired up. LOL
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

yes thats 2 answers pennsynut answered 
i will go with all peco code #83 no mixing 
yes that is what i try explain but yes  i want to do is keep turnouts separtly from layouts 
pennsynut is that a controll or direction box to use for the turnouts  like peco has switch machines 
like bachmann has direction switch boxs  type a and type b  

Re: going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

oh i forgot  to ask dose peco or site that list all there pruducts for usa 
i hate to buy something i cant use because its not usa lol

Re: DCC Meters

Charles Brumbelow
 

This article may be relevant...


Charles





On Saturday, April 27, 2019, 11:52 AM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

A regular VOM will not give an accurate reading.
With a VOM, you have to use the AC setting.
The DCC signal is read as AC by the meter.
It is an approximation that can be as far as 5v off, depending on the quality of the VOM
Another method is needed to get the correct voltage, hence this thread.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Richard Gagnon
 

It has never been five volts off with my four meters.

Rich




On Saturday, April 27, 2019, 12:52 PM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

A regular VOM will not give an accurate reading.
With a VOM, you have to use the AC setting.
The DCC signal is read as AC by the meter.
It is an approximation that can be as far as 5v off, depending on the quality of the VOM
Another method is needed to get the correct voltage, hence this thread.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Jay
 

Rich, I had a cheapie from one of "those stores".
Compared to my DCC RRamMeter it was a full 7v off.
This was a needle type meter also.
It was close in regular voltage testing.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Jay
 

Hi!
In this article, he is just reading straight DC.
There is no DCC signal involved at that point.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Richard Gagnon
 

I compared with two Scopes. Did the math to convert P to P to RMS. This is model rail roading not rocket science.
I also have a digital scope that shows RMS also. I rarely mention it because of the naysayers.
Another forum some have simuilar results with the HF meter.
I have worked with different meters for forty years.

Rich




On Saturday, April 27, 2019, 12:52 PM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

A regular VOM will not give an accurate reading.
With a VOM, you have to use the AC setting.
The DCC signal is read as AC by the meter.
It is an approximation that can be as far as 5v off, depending on the quality of the VOM
Another method is needed to get the correct voltage, hence this thread.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Richard Gagnon
 

I know many say I believe but I have measured.

Rich




On Saturday, April 27, 2019, 1:29 PM, Charles Brumbelow via Groups.Io <mrb37211@...> wrote:

This article may be relevant...


Charles





On Saturday, April 27, 2019, 11:52 AM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

A regular VOM will not give an accurate reading.
With a VOM, you have to use the AC setting.
The DCC signal is read as AC by the meter.
It is an approximation that can be as far as 5v off, depending on the quality of the VOM
Another method is needed to get the correct voltage, hence this thread.

Jay

Re: going from bachmann to Hell and Back.

Richard Gagnon
 

I have Bachmann with on board sound and DCC ready that I have added sound to. There will always be naysayers.

Rich




On Saturday, April 27, 2019, 12:37 PM, PennsyNut <pennsynut@...> wrote:

Oh my gosh! I've heard of this all my life, and yet - Botchman still is in business. Someone tell me how they do that? But if you want a specific prototype, you must spend more money. At least we don't have to buy brass. There's some good locos for sale.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC

Re: DCC Meters

Jay
 

Hi Rich,
I just tried my 2 digital VOM's.
My Fluke 75 gave me a very close reading of 11.06v on my Z Layout.
The command station is going through a UP6Z.
My Micronta meter gave me 15.7v at the same point.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Brad Bunnin
 

Fluke meters are reliable, in the statistical sense. They’re also easy to use, versatile, and durable. But they’re not cheap. I was lucky enough to buy a used one from an electronics guy who was retiring. It’s worth keeping a lookout for a used instrument.

Brad 

On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

Hi Rich,
I just tried my 2 digital VOM's.
My Fluke 75 gave me a very close reading of 11.06v on my Z Layout.
The command station is going through a UP6Z.
My Micronta meter gave me 15.7v at the same point.

Jay

Re: DCC Meters

Jay
 

Hi Brad, I picked this up at a house sale.
It was $45.
I could not pass that up

Railroad Drop Bridges

Carl
 

Hi Gang:

Model Railroad Hobbyist Magazine just published my article about Jim Behling's Drop Bridges. You can view the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSBft9nRDo&feature=youtu.be

Hope you all enjoy it.

Carl.

Running Extra May 2019.

https://mrhmag.com


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Re: going from bachmann to Hell and Back.

Puckdropper
 

How does Bachmann keep going? From the standpoint of a guy who fixes trains:
* Parts are often available and available through their website.
* Absolutely fantastic support. Laura Harris understands your questions, reads your whole email, and replies within a few days.
* Fantastic parts department. I had a question that fit in both the parts and customer service domains, emailed parts first and they answered their part and forwarded the email to customer service so they could address it.
* Their locomotives usually run decent. You're not going to get Kato performance in every box, but you'll get something that runs every time.
* Best warranty / Service plan in the business, short of "We'll just fix it.". $25 will get even an old locomotove repaired or replaced. (See website for details.)

I'm not affiliated with Bachmann, just an extremely satisfied customer.

Puckdropper