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Re: going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

oh i forgot  to ask dose peco or site that list all there pruducts for usa 
i hate to buy something i cant use because its not usa lol


Re: going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

yes thats 2 answers pennsynut answered 
i will go with all peco code #83 no mixing 
yes that is what i try explain but yes  i want to do is keep turnouts separtly from layouts 
pennsynut is that a controll or direction box to use for the turnouts  like peco has switch machines 
like bachmann has direction switch boxs  type a and type b  


Re: Buss wire

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

I have solved my problem in another way. Since I had tons of AWG 20. I simply ran a separate wire from the rail to the command station. At the C.S. end, used terminal blocks. Connected two wires to each screw and all screws wired to the C.S. with AWG 18. That's only about a foot. The longest wire from a rail to the C.S. is just shy of 12 feet. All others are shorter. There are now a total of 19 wires at the C.S. 10 blue and 9 red. All easy to wire, all connected to the C.S. with screws. And all have feeders of less than 12" connected to the same AWG wires as a buss. I hope this is clear. I tested with 3 different H.F. meters. Measured AC volts, DC volts, resistance and continuity of all tracks at various places/each end and in between the ends and the C.S. and all readings are consistent. Loco runs fine with no slowdown or change in speed. Not sure how to measure amps. (Am not about to spend money on a RRamp).But what works, works. Thanks to all for your suggestions. And since I'm such a contrarian. All wires are on top of the foam and all run from the rails to the front edge of the layout and run along that front to the place where the terminal blocks are and the C.S./a Zephyr also on top. Everything easy to reach, easy to work with, easy to check for shorts, etc. All wires soldered or with screw connectors. No sloppy. All color coded. All just the way I wanted. But because of all your suggestions and advice, I am now a happily wired up. LOL
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC


Re: DCC Meters

Jay
 

A regular VOM will not give an accurate reading.
With a VOM, you have to use the AC setting.
The DCC signal is read as AC by the meter.
It is an approximation that can be as far as 5v off, depending on the quality of the VOM
Another method is needed to get the correct voltage, hence this thread.

Jay


Re: DCC Meters

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

Oh my gosh! If it's "low cost", why not go to Harbor Freight. They have meters for free with a purchase of something. The free meters do what we need. Not specific to DCC, but we can utilize them to read DC volts and AC volts. And the main thing is consistency. I hook the command station to the middle of the layout and measure both AC and DC voltage at each end. And if the readings are equal at each end, you have consistency. And you can also measure continuity of current, as well as the resistance. What you sacrifice is the accuracy of the more expensive meters. If you want more, you pay more. But what's not to like about free? I have 3 of them. And even though they may not read all the same, it's that consistency that counts. IMHO.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC


Re: going from bachmann to Hell and Back.

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

Oh my gosh! I've heard of this all my life, and yet - Botchman still is in business. Someone tell me how they do that? But if you want a specific prototype, you must spend more money. At least we don't have to buy brass. There's some good locos for sale.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC


Re: going from bachmann to peco

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

Stacey: 1>mixing track is possible, as others have said. Use the right joiners. 2 Yes, the same code. (but 75 is european proto, code 83 is American.) 3>If you refer to PECO electrofrogs. They are OK, but require special wiring. The w4dccqa web site has instructions and diagrams. 4>need clarification. But turnouts need to be powered separately from the layout. Use separate wiring, etc.
Keep asking questions, and try to be as clear as you can. I can speak for all in that "we are here to help".Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC


Re: going from bachmann to Hell and Back.

Mark Cartwright <marcdecapri@...>
 

Sending Back to Bachmann...
Over and Over Again...Expecting a Different Result..is my definition of Insanity in Model Railroading.
Yet it is done all the time.
Not Me...

I purchased several N Scale Athearn/Roundhouse 2-6-0's/2-8-0's via eBay on the cheap
http://spookshow.net/loco/mdc280.html
http://spookshow.net/loco/mdc260.html

For around $20-$30 each and even put DCC in a few of them.
AFTER !?!?!?

I spend upwards of 12 hours on each one...CORRECTING Manufacturing Issues missed during fit and finish assembly.
I believe these specific locomotives had been sent back to Athearn and then unloaded on eBay.
Even the good folks at Athearn USA won't actually work on them....Walther's does the same...and I have no idea what Bachmann actually does.
But I don't care....
Good !
No problem for me...I would rather buy cheap and fix it myself  = than buy expensive and then be disappointed.
You can't expect a fish to climb a tree....- Albert
The name of my Cat who often looks over me as I work at my Roll Top Desk.
When i get up..to take any sort of break...I roll the top down...For Albert sometimes thinks he can fix it better than me !
Perhaps he does as it crashes to the floor.....
Thank you Albert...I have been wanting to smash that thing against the floor for many a past hour.
However....
Eventually correcting as many as 20 separate issues per locomotive...YES ! I can get nearly any locomotive to work and run well.
Bachmann?
Not me...Instead, I have been fortunate enough to have a Neighbor who burned himself out on the Hobby...I believe cause of Bachmann and his Dusty Garage.
Again I got my Bachman Cheap ...
Which includes...

Yes, the Bachmann Two Truck Shay.
Mine Works...but i believe it needed all new NWSL Gearing to complete it's journey.

Not all Spectrum is created equally yet all of it needs some tweaking.
:)) Mark



Re: going from bachmann to peco

Mark Cartwright <marcdecapri@...>
 

Stacey....
I was getting my University Degrees (Behavioral Sciences) in the 1970's, while I was STRUGGLING with an N Scale John Armstrong Track Plan which took me 10 years to finally give up on. Yes, I am very familiar with your situation....and Model Railroading too.
In the 1970's, I went from the then Atlas Track to Shinohara...often spending my entire Lunch Money allocation for a month by walking home for lunch on School Days.
That is $25 for a single Shinohara Double Turnout....or upwards of 4 weeks of one dollar lunches and a coke at the Student Commissary in 1970's Money.
Only to discover Double Turnouts have other issues and Shinohara Turnouts also have issues.
Oops! and Oops! Again.
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What brought me back to the Hobby AFTER a 30 year Hiatus?
You Tube Videos of Kato Unitrack.
such as this one....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh-gCssJ9k
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Though today...I solder and mix trackage and brands, even Hand-Crafting my own with Fast Track Jigs....
Please....
Stay away from any other Trackage OTHER than Kato Unitrack.
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In these days...I am also Substitute Teaching....I see Run On Sentences often, even in our School Systems of Today.
My Job is to inch the students along as best as possible, and never be derogatory.
I make an exception about being derogatory when it comes to Bachmann.
So...
Go from Success to Success...and stay the Hell away from Bachmann.
Hope this message better guides you.
:)) Mark

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I do own and operate Bachmann DCC with Sound in both N and HO Scale Locomotives....but it taint easy.
All my Bachmann has been reworked upwards to 100 hours on just a pair of Diesels with Other than Bachmann Decoders.  Steam and Two Truck Shays...OMG ! even more hours to make them work and work well.
>>> I will say the Bachmann Dynamis produced and contracted by ESU is a plausible DCC System but so is the Digitrax Zephyr...but I run on an ECoS.
Yet once again...I am urging you to stay with DC and perhaps a simple Kato or MRC Transformer.
=====
Here's the thing.....What is the true value of Bachmann?
> I purchased a $350 at MSRP HO Scale Bachmann Steam Locomotive with a LokSound Sound Decoder already re-installed and the entire locomotive gearing reworked for ...
$140 Cash Money
Then I got the guy to help me go fetch a 5x9 FREE N Scale Layout, some 14 miles away in his pick-up truck for $10 gas money.
Then I bought another equally reworked and re-decoded N Scale Bachmann Steam Locomotive for $125.
I have never and will never intentionally buy anything NEW which says Bachmann on it at least not at MSRP.
I get my Bachmann at it's true value...which is CHEAP,  even after being reworked. I paid $65 for my Dynamis.
PS...
I also speak and read German (which helps me with my ECoS) and gives me a proper perspective on DCC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2umTTPFfiiY
Once again.....
Here is Kato Unitrack (and the ECoS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gRHV7te-NQ

I mean if you have to go DCC....Do it so it works !


Re: going from bachmann to peco

Richard Main
 

Hi,

I'd thoroughly recommend only using one brand of track -- it will make it much easier later on for layout reliability.

The reason (in a nutshell) is that if you mix brands of track, you introduce new issues for layout long-term reliability. If pieces of rolling stock constantly derail at one section where two different brands of track join, is it the track or the rolling stock that is causing the issue? By using a single brand of track, you are eliminating this issue, and it makes it easier to fix.

Kind regards,

Richard Main
Melbourne, Australia


Re: going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

1 the left and right turnouts 
2 the electrofrog 
3 something like the peco switch machine but better so i can switch each turnout and run my trains on the controll box i have 


Re: going from bachmann to peco

ggagerailer@...
 

I was going to cover my Bachman Two Truck Shay..  I decided not.   It was the new spectrum series.  But the gearing kept messing up.   AND that was sending back to Bachmann twice.  No, I have gave up on Bachman.  I would love to have a DCC steam locomotive someday. 

Dave

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 15:50 <staceyatvt@...> wrote:
well i give up on bachmann its to much to try and make it dcc i was looking at peco tracks and turnouts code 75 i dont know much about it and atlas tracks code 75 ho sccale can i mixed atlas and peco tracks i read peco trurnouts are better and atlas code 75 strights and curve tracks as well  ist ill buy the stright and curves then the turnouts also my room i can use about half its about 7 ft W x 9 1/2 Long i got my main line going around that space and 3 trunouts enter rail yard and 3 that exit it in the yard i got 4 turnouts connecting to each of the 4 rails the 3 rails exit the yard to main 4th is a dead end use that for the hopper cars to pick up litle things like weel parts ect so shuold i keep them as one type code track or can i mix atlas and peco tracks
 


Re: going from bachmann to peco

Dave <ggagerailer@...>
 

Thanks..no worries..


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 17:59 rhemker <rhemker@...> wrote:
Wow! Hard to decipher this one sentence paragraph.



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Date: 4/26/19 4:50 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [w4dccqa] going from bachmann to peco

well i give up on bachmann its to much to try and make it dcc i was looking at peco tracks and turnouts code 75 i dont know much about it and atlas tracks code 75 ho sccale can i mixed atlas and peco tracks i read peco trurnouts are better and atlas code 75 strights and curve tracks as well  ist ill buy the stright and curves then the turnouts also my room i can use about half its about 7 ft W x 9 1/2 Long i got my main line going around that space and 3 trunouts enter rail yard and 3 that exit it in the yard i got 4 turnouts connecting to each of the 4 rails the 3 rails exit the yard to main 4th is a dead end use that for the hopper cars to pick up litle things like weel parts ect so shuold i keep them as one type code track or can i mix atlas and peco tracks
 


Re: going from bachmann to peco

Max Maginness
 

I would make no attempt to do so - and not to pick too much on the original message, but if you want advice please organize your question(s).

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of rhemker
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Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] going from bachmann to peco

 

Wow! Hard to decipher this one sentence paragraph.

 

 

 

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Date: 4/26/19 4:50 PM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: [w4dccqa] going from bachmann to peco

 

well i give up on bachmann its to much to try and make it dcc i was looking at peco tracks and turnouts code 75 i dont know much about it and atlas tracks code 75 ho sccale can i mixed atlas and peco tracks i read peco trurnouts are better and atlas code 75 strights and curve tracks as well  ist ill buy the stright and curves then the turnouts also my room i can use about half its about 7 ft W x 9 1/2 Long i got my main line going around that space and 3 trunouts enter rail yard and 3 that exit it in the yard i got 4 turnouts connecting to each of the 4 rails the 3 rails exit the yard to main 4th is a dead end use that for the hopper cars to pick up litle things like weel parts ect so shuold i keep them as one type code track or can i mix atlas and peco tracks
 


Re: going from bachmann to peco

Paul O
 

Stacey, 
Regarding numbers 1&2:
Yes you can mix atlas and pico tracks. If you are going to use two different call sizes they make special rail joiners just for that purpose to join two different size of rails.

Regarding numbers 3&4:
Can you give us some additional information regarding the turnouts;  what do you mean about electric frogs and what type of switch box are you referring to?

Paul O

On Apr 26, 2019, at 8:54 PM, staceyatvt@... wrote:

sorry about my spelling and gramer yes it sucks and not easy when spend a good part of my child hood in a state run childrens phyp hospitol in the 70s they didnt know anything about autism in  yeay 2000 they didtest and that when i lean i have autism And Im 56 Now but anyway 
1 can I mix atlas with peco tracks 
2 shuold i make sure they all same code  
3 on my train layout therre will be 11 turnouts using the elect frogs on the trunouts    
4 i want to run the turnout switching together  on  1 a bo0x i can use just for the turnout swtiches  and have a controller for the trains is there a switch type box i can use just for them 
i hope this is a bit better so u understand it better
thank you
stacey


Re: going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

sorry about my spelling and gramer yes it sucks and not easy when spend a good part of my child hood in a state run childrens phyp hospitol in the 70s they didnt know anything about autism in  yeay 2000 they didtest and that when i lean i have autism And Im 56 Now but anyway 
1 can I mix atlas with peco tracks 
2 shuold i make sure they all same code  
3 on my train layout therre will be 11 turnouts using the elect frogs on the trunouts    
4 i want to run the turnout switching together  on  1 a bo0x i can use just for the turnout swtiches  and have a controller for the trains is there a switch type box i can use just for them 
i hope this is a bit better so u understand it better
thank you
stacey


Re: going from bachmann to peco

rhemker
 

Wow! Hard to decipher this one sentence paragraph.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: staceyatvt@...
Date: 4/26/19 4:50 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: [w4dccqa] going from bachmann to peco

well i give up on bachmann its to much to try and make it dcc i was looking at peco tracks and turnouts code 75 i dont know much about it and atlas tracks code 75 ho sccale can i mixed atlas and peco tracks i read peco trurnouts are better and atlas code 75 strights and curve tracks as well  ist ill buy the stright and curves then the turnouts also my room i can use about half its about 7 ft W x 9 1/2 Long i got my main line going around that space and 3 trunouts enter rail yard and 3 that exit it in the yard i got 4 turnouts connecting to each of the 4 rails the 3 rails exit the yard to main 4th is a dead end use that for the hopper cars to pick up litle things like weel parts ect so shuold i keep them as one type code track or can i mix atlas and peco tracks
 


going from bachmann to peco

staceyatvt@...
 

well i give up on bachmann its to much to try and make it dcc i was looking at peco tracks and turnouts code 75 i dont know much about it and atlas tracks code 75 ho sccale can i mixed atlas and peco tracks i read peco trurnouts are better and atlas code 75 strights and curve tracks as well  ist ill buy the stright and curves then the turnouts also my room i can use about half its about 7 ft W x 9 1/2 Long i got my main line going around that space and 3 trunouts enter rail yard and 3 that exit it in the yard i got 4 turnouts connecting to each of the 4 rails the 3 rails exit the yard to main 4th is a dead end use that for the hopper cars to pick up litle things like weel parts ect so shuold i keep them as one type code track or can i mix atlas and peco tracks
 


Re: bacmann ez track and dcc

Mark Cartwright <marcdecapri@...>
 


Once again...
I am going to be Odd Man Out...but I would seriously reconsider running DCC with anything Bachmann as it comes out of the box, including the Bahaman Dynamis by ESU which I do own (along with nearly every other American sold DCC system).  I own several reworked Bachmann Locomotives and not one of them is still equipped with their original decoder. Even if you simply go DC with Bachmann Track and Switches...Yes, You are going to need to solder drop down feeders as well as rework their Turnouts.
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I am making this statement with the experience of a 7 year old in 1960 with ONE Lionel 4-6-2 on a 5x9 table on a Bottle Route Budget (See Homeless today collecting bottles for one penny each; where I got 3 cents per in 1960). I was given...Korean War vintage steel track with fiber board ties held on by staples ...and I made it work....
So...Yes,  layout can be made with Bachmann Track.
However...when it was nearly given to me...I passed. 
But when a man offered me three boxes of Kato Unitrack ...after buying everything else from his layout.... at 10 cents to the MSRP $ + I took the gift gleefully.
=====
DCC is not cheap and can be very confusing...Whoever said DCC Made EZ wants to talk to fools.
:)) Mark


Re: bacmann ez track and dcc

Jay
 

Hi!
I do not know if you can afford this, but I have used this with Atlas switches just fine.
This product is DCC only and it will only do switch number sequentially, meaning 1-8, 2-9, etc...
Also, it's per switch price is quite low.
It is made in Europe, but available in the US on Ebay here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/DIGIKEIJS-DR4018-16-CHANNEL-SWITCH-DECODER-WORKS-WITH-ALL-DCC-BRANDS/252438372898?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Jay

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