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Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Alex Hempel
 

Yeah, gotta be careful. The stuff I linked does not specifically state that it is plastic safe, so I'll probably refrain from using it until I know more.

Thanks

Alex


Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Jay
 

Hi Alex,
I am not sure.
The CRC 2-26 here in the states is "Plastic Compatible"
I am not sure yours is, I would check for that because it could damage the ties in the track.
Amazon has it here: https://www.amazon.com/CRC-Plastic-Multi-Purpose-Precision-Lubricant/dp/B07GBD9GZ7.

Jay


Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Alex Hempel
 

Hi Jay,

just making sure because I live on a different continent: is this the CRC2-26 you're talking about?

https://www.repco.com.au/en/brands/crc/crc-2-26-electrical-spray-400g/p/A3698939

Cheers

Alex


Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Jay
 

Hi Don,
Inside of the UP6Z it appears to have 3 resistor arrays.
With a Capacitor & a Fusible link to track output.
That & 6 Loconet ports.

Jay


Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Don Vollrath
 

Hmmm. Makes me wonder what;s inside the UP6Z box. there are plenty of misc connectors but according to the sales info no real need for a power supply. Anyone ever open the box? Could be just a bunch of 4 amp rated silicon diodes connected in series parallel to give a relatively fix 4-5 volt drop with either polarity.
DonV 


Re: DCC voltage on track

Carl
 

Hello Tom:

You are following the scheme I like to use: Divide and Conquer.

Now you know where the problem isn't. Look for shorts in the problem district. Can you clear the fault by moving points?

I have a buzzer with a battery that I use a lot.

Carl.

OK, I am beginning to isolate the problem. I disconnected the suspect power district from the PM42 and now I get a voltage reading on the remaining 3 (11.6 volts).

 

So, tomorrow I begin the search for the problem.

 

Just FYI, all switches are Peco Electrofrog and the switches do no power routing.

 

Thanks to all for the assist.

 

Tom



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Re: DCC voltage on track

John Johnston <towboatjohnston@...>
 

Tom,
I will be fascinated to hear what you learn. I am in the process of wiring a similar scheme with Peco electrofrogs, 3 frog Juicers and an AR-1 that reverses a balloon track (N-scale code 55). Haven’t tested the branches yet.

 I see you are in Boiling Springs. I’m in Seneca. If you get stuck we have some smart people at the Central Railroad Museum who might be able to help. Hope you made it to our big Expo in Easley last weekend.

Good luck!

John Johnston
(713) 240-1687
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On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

OK, I am beginning to isolate the problem. I disconnected the suspect power district from the PM42 and now I get a voltage reading on the remaining 3 (11.6 volts).

 

So, tomorrow I begin the search for the problem.

 

Just FYI, all switches are Peco Electrofrog and the switches do no power routing.

 

Thanks to all for the assist.

 

Tom

 

 

 

Tom Anderson

 

Business Information Systems, Inc.

P.O. Box 160396

Boiling Springs, SC  29316

 

(864) 621-8607

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of vincent marino
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 7:28 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] DCC voltage on track

 

That's a good question. I had the foresight to put all the turnouts (14 of them) on one power district. My shorts we're isolated to that district. Specifically I track powered each turnout, occasionally because of proximity 2 turnouts shared a powered rail joiner. All my frogs are powered and frankly that was the issue until I synced the engines. 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM AD <bklyns_baseball_club@... wrote:

Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

 

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


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Re: DCC voltage on track

Tom Anderson
 

OK, I am beginning to isolate the problem. I disconnected the suspect power district from the PM42 and now I get a voltage reading on the remaining 3 (11.6 volts).

 

So, tomorrow I begin the search for the problem.

 

Just FYI, all switches are Peco Electrofrog and the switches do no power routing.

 

Thanks to all for the assist.

 

Tom

 

 

 

Tom Anderson

 

Business Information Systems, Inc.

P.O. Box 160396

Boiling Springs, SC  29316

 

(864) 621-8607

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of vincent marino
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 7:28 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] DCC voltage on track

 

That's a good question. I had the foresight to put all the turnouts (14 of them) on one power district. My shorts we're isolated to that district. Specifically I track powered each turnout, occasionally because of proximity 2 turnouts shared a powered rail joiner. All my frogs are powered and frankly that was the issue until I synced the engines. 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM AD <bklyns_baseball_club@... wrote:

Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

 

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


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Re: DCC voltage on track

vincent marino
 

That's a good question. I had the foresight to put all the turnouts (14 of them) on one power district. My shorts we're isolated to that district. Specifically I track powered each turnout, occasionally because of proximity 2 turnouts shared a powered rail joiner. All my frogs are powered and frankly that was the issue until I synced the engines. 


On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM AD <bklyns_baseball_club@... wrote:
Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


Re: DCC voltage on track

AD
 

Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


Re: DCC voltage on track

vincent marino
 

My brother I was faced with the same situation a while back. Let tell you what it was on my layout. You can go through the same check list as I used and you might find your problem before the end of the list. 

1) make sure all the track joiners are either tight or soldered or both. 

2) make sure the power district with the problem has no shorts, no criscrossed track leads to the power bus, all connections are tight.

3) finally, this is what was wrong with mine. The turnout leading to the power district with the problem, make sure the locomotives are crossing over the turnout without shorting the frog or the frog alignment assist. Especially if your using a consist. Wasn't until I started syncing the locos using JMRI. It put the consist in a smooth pulling motion which eliminated the push/pull of the middle and rear locos over the turnout. Thus no more shorts from power district to power district. 

Hope that helped. 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 4:37 PM Tom Anderson <tanderson@... wrote:
I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


DCC voltage on track

Tom Anderson
 

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Jay
 

Hi Brad!
I actually repurposed my Tidy Track Track Cleaner kit.
Using the Gray pad set, I wetted the soft pad with the CRC. 
Then cleaned the track like normal
It did take a bit to get my track clean.
If the Tidy Track is not locally available, you might try Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Woodland-Scenics-TT4550-Tidy-Track-Rail-Tracker-Cleaning-Kit/392186580262?hash=item5b50244d26:g:UpMAAOSwy2pcBs32:sc:USPSPriority!51104!US!-1:rk:14:pf:0
Replacement pads:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Woodland-Scenics-Tidy-Track-Replacement-Cleaning-and-Finishing-Pads-TT4553/173796463720?epid=13012071509&hash=item2877139468:g:~RoAAOSwHYpZ~g2L:rk:27:pf:0
Trying so many different track cleaning methods, it was tough to clean, but worth it.
It took me about a month & 5 applications. But since then, no track issues.
Like I said 2 years ago I did this, zero track cleaning since then.

Jay


Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Brad Bunnin <bradbunnin@...>
 

How do you apply the CRC 2-26, Jay? Do you spray it on directly, or do you spray it on a rag and use the rag to apply it? Or is there another method?

Brad

On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

Hi!
On my DCC N Scale layout, I used CRC 2-26 for my rails.
It was amazing, after 3 applications, all the dirt was sucked out of the track.
I have not had to clean my track in over 2 years.
My layout is in a dusty basement with a 70' mainline.
It made my life so much easier not having to clean the track every month!

Jay


Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Jay
 

Hi!
I am using a Digitrax DCS100 on my Z Scale layout.
Per the Digitrax recommendation, it has a UP6Z between it & the track.
The track is hooked to the 4v output, putting the track at about 9v.
Perfect for Z Scale.
All of my decoders are Digitrax DZ123Z0 decoders.

Jay


Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Jay
 

Hi!
On my DCC N Scale layout, I used CRC 2-26 for my rails.
It was amazing, after 3 applications, all the dirt was sucked out of the track.
I have not had to clean my track in over 2 years.
My layout is in a dusty basement with a 70' mainline.
It made my life so much easier not having to clean the track every month!

Jay


Cleaners & Lubricants

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

In other posts & forums, I had participated in discussions involving this subject. And although not directly related to newbies/nocices, is of importance to modelers. Radio Shack may be hard to locate brick & mortar, but is still in business. ONLINE. I have no personal attachment to them. Just to let y'all know I received an email today and here's their web page: https://www.radioshack.com/collections/cleaners-and-chemicals?utm_campaign=2019-02-16%20Cleaners%20%26%20Lubricant%20BACK%20IN%20STOCK%20%28Hd9ZvS%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=E-08&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJwZW5uc3ludXRAZ21haWwuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSktjZWVUIn0%3D
So, for those of you that are interested, check it out. And if moderators permit, I'd like to see comments from users of any of these. Specifically for cleaning or lubricating track or other model railroad uses. And which product works best for which application.
Thank YOU!
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC


Re: PECO Insulfrogs --- Sidetrack

PennsyNut <pennsynut@...>
 

I realize this was posted in Dec. But: Foam can be cut with a Xacto knife very easily. The feeder wires are 20 gauge and small enough that they need a very small groove. And I've already done a few this way. Scenery will cover very easily.
Morgan Bilbo, new to DCC


Re: New to DCC

Don Vollrath
 

Crimped-on 'circular' ferrules are used on stranded wire in many industrial products for high reliability of the assembly to eliminate the possibility of loose wire strands at terminal blocks. Requires a special type of hexagonal crimping tool and the ferrule must be of the proper size to match the wire gauge. This speeds up assembly in manufacturing and eases repair component replacements when necessary without the nuisance of loose wire strands. The ferrule keeps all the strands together for a good connection to the body and holding set screw of a terminal block. Also works great with the spring force type terminals without spreading or breaking any of the wire strands. Stranded wire is almost always used for easier flexibility.
DonV


Re: New to DCC

Carl
 

Hello Keith:

You mention loose strands, I bet the strands were very fine to keep the cables flexible. I think welders use that type of stranded wire too.

In Charleston we have the Aircraft Carrier Yorktown. I am fascinated by the emergency wiring terminals, huge 3/8" terminal holes with set screws at all the bulk heads.

I also use the industrial terminals on our camper. The last two photos are of my DCC circuit breakers. The mixed bunch protect the boosters, the long group protect the rails.

Best wishes, Carl.



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