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Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Jay
 

Hi!
On my DCC N Scale layout, I used CRC 2-26 for my rails.
It was amazing, after 3 applications, all the dirt was sucked out of the track.
I have not had to clean my track in over 2 years.
My layout is in a dusty basement with a 70' mainline.
It made my life so much easier not having to clean the track every month!

Jay

Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Jay
 

Hi!
I am using a Digitrax DCS100 on my Z Scale layout.
Per the Digitrax recommendation, it has a UP6Z between it & the track.
The track is hooked to the 4v output, putting the track at about 9v.
Perfect for Z Scale.
All of my decoders are Digitrax DZ123Z0 decoders.

Jay

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Brad Bunnin
 

How do you apply the CRC 2-26, Jay? Do you spray it on directly, or do you spray it on a rag and use the rag to apply it? Or is there another method?

Brad

On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

Hi!
On my DCC N Scale layout, I used CRC 2-26 for my rails.
It was amazing, after 3 applications, all the dirt was sucked out of the track.
I have not had to clean my track in over 2 years.
My layout is in a dusty basement with a 70' mainline.
It made my life so much easier not having to clean the track every month!

Jay

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Jay
 

Hi Brad!
I actually repurposed my Tidy Track Track Cleaner kit.
Using the Gray pad set, I wetted the soft pad with the CRC. 
Then cleaned the track like normal
It did take a bit to get my track clean.
If the Tidy Track is not locally available, you might try Ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Woodland-Scenics-TT4550-Tidy-Track-Rail-Tracker-Cleaning-Kit/392186580262?hash=item5b50244d26:g:UpMAAOSwy2pcBs32:sc:USPSPriority!51104!US!-1:rk:14:pf:0
Replacement pads:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Woodland-Scenics-Tidy-Track-Replacement-Cleaning-and-Finishing-Pads-TT4553/173796463720?epid=13012071509&hash=item2877139468:g:~RoAAOSwHYpZ~g2L:rk:27:pf:0
Trying so many different track cleaning methods, it was tough to clean, but worth it.
It took me about a month & 5 applications. But since then, no track issues.
Like I said 2 years ago I did this, zero track cleaning since then.

Jay

DCC voltage on track

Tom Anderson
 

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson

Re: DCC voltage on track

vincent marino
 

My brother I was faced with the same situation a while back. Let tell you what it was on my layout. You can go through the same check list as I used and you might find your problem before the end of the list. 

1) make sure all the track joiners are either tight or soldered or both. 

2) make sure the power district with the problem has no shorts, no criscrossed track leads to the power bus, all connections are tight.

3) finally, this is what was wrong with mine. The turnout leading to the power district with the problem, make sure the locomotives are crossing over the turnout without shorting the frog or the frog alignment assist. Especially if your using a consist. Wasn't until I started syncing the locos using JMRI. It put the consist in a smooth pulling motion which eliminated the push/pull of the middle and rear locos over the turnout. Thus no more shorts from power district to power district. 

Hope that helped. 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 4:37 PM Tom Anderson <tanderson@... wrote:
I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson

Re: DCC voltage on track

AD
 

Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson

Re: DCC voltage on track

vincent marino
 

That's a good question. I had the foresight to put all the turnouts (14 of them) on one power district. My shorts we're isolated to that district. Specifically I track powered each turnout, occasionally because of proximity 2 turnouts shared a powered rail joiner. All my frogs are powered and frankly that was the issue until I synced the engines. 


On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM AD <bklyns_baseball_club@... wrote:
Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson

Re: DCC voltage on track

Tom Anderson
 

OK, I am beginning to isolate the problem. I disconnected the suspect power district from the PM42 and now I get a voltage reading on the remaining 3 (11.6 volts).

 

So, tomorrow I begin the search for the problem.

 

Just FYI, all switches are Peco Electrofrog and the switches do no power routing.

 

Thanks to all for the assist.

 

Tom

 

 

 

Tom Anderson

 

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P.O. Box 160396

Boiling Springs, SC  29316

 

(864) 621-8607

 

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That's a good question. I had the foresight to put all the turnouts (14 of them) on one power district. My shorts we're isolated to that district. Specifically I track powered each turnout, occasionally because of proximity 2 turnouts shared a powered rail joiner. All my frogs are powered and frankly that was the issue until I synced the engines. 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM AD <bklyns_baseball_club@... wrote:

Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

 

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


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Re: DCC voltage on track

John Johnston <towboatjohnston@...>
 

Tom,
I will be fascinated to hear what you learn. I am in the process of wiring a similar scheme with Peco electrofrogs, 3 frog Juicers and an AR-1 that reverses a balloon track (N-scale code 55). Haven’t tested the branches yet.

 I see you are in Boiling Springs. I’m in Seneca. If you get stuck we have some smart people at the Central Railroad Museum who might be able to help. Hope you made it to our big Expo in Easley last weekend.

Good luck!

John Johnston
(713) 240-1687
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On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

OK, I am beginning to isolate the problem. I disconnected the suspect power district from the PM42 and now I get a voltage reading on the remaining 3 (11.6 volts).

 

So, tomorrow I begin the search for the problem.

 

Just FYI, all switches are Peco Electrofrog and the switches do no power routing.

 

Thanks to all for the assist.

 

Tom

 

 

 

Tom Anderson

 

Business Information Systems, Inc.

P.O. Box 160396

Boiling Springs, SC  29316

 

(864) 621-8607

 

From: w4dccqa@groups.io <w4dccqa@groups.io> On Behalf Of vincent marino
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 7:28 PM
To: w4dccqa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [w4dccqa] DCC voltage on track

 

That's a good question. I had the foresight to put all the turnouts (14 of them) on one power district. My shorts we're isolated to that district. Specifically I track powered each turnout, occasionally because of proximity 2 turnouts shared a powered rail joiner. All my frogs are powered and frankly that was the issue until I synced the engines. 

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 6:23 PM AD <bklyns_baseball_club@... wrote:

Do you power your tracks on the other side of the switch or do you depend on power being sent to sidings thru the switch

 

Tony


On Feb 16, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Tom Anderson <tanderson@...> wrote:

I am trying to trouble shoot what appears to be some wiring problems with my new layout.
I am using a Digitrax DCS-210 with a PM42. I have 4 sections wired. Also, have 4 6 port Frog Juicers connected.

Basically, the train runs just fine on the 2 main lines but stalls when trying to enter a siding off the main line.

In trying to fix this problem, I tried to read the track voltage with my multimeter. I am getting no voltage on any of the tracks. I checked the multimeter on other isolated AC sources and it reads just fine.

So what am I missing here? Stumped. Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Tom Anderson


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Re: DCC voltage on track

Carl
 

Hello Tom:

You are following the scheme I like to use: Divide and Conquer.

Now you know where the problem isn't. Look for shorts in the problem district. Can you clear the fault by moving points?

I have a buzzer with a battery that I use a lot.

Carl.

OK, I am beginning to isolate the problem. I disconnected the suspect power district from the PM42 and now I get a voltage reading on the remaining 3 (11.6 volts).

 

So, tomorrow I begin the search for the problem.

 

Just FYI, all switches are Peco Electrofrog and the switches do no power routing.

 

Thanks to all for the assist.

 

Tom



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Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Don Vollrath
 

Hmmm. Makes me wonder what;s inside the UP6Z box. there are plenty of misc connectors but according to the sales info no real need for a power supply. Anyone ever open the box? Could be just a bunch of 4 amp rated silicon diodes connected in series parallel to give a relatively fix 4-5 volt drop with either polarity.
DonV 

Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Jay
 

Hi Don,
Inside of the UP6Z it appears to have 3 resistor arrays.
With a Capacitor & a Fusible link to track output.
That & 6 Loconet ports.

Jay

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Alex Hempel
 

Hi Jay,

just making sure because I live on a different continent: is this the CRC2-26 you're talking about?

https://www.repco.com.au/en/brands/crc/crc-2-26-electrical-spray-400g/p/A3698939

Cheers

Alex

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Jay
 

Hi Alex,
I am not sure.
The CRC 2-26 here in the states is "Plastic Compatible"
I am not sure yours is, I would check for that because it could damage the ties in the track.
Amazon has it here: https://www.amazon.com/CRC-Plastic-Multi-Purpose-Precision-Lubricant/dp/B07GBD9GZ7.

Jay

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Alex Hempel
 

Yeah, gotta be careful. The stuff I linked does not specifically state that it is plastic safe, so I'll probably refrain from using it until I know more.

Thanks

Alex

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Greg Elmassian
 

It was recommended long ago by Lewis Polk of Aristo-Craft.

I tried using it as a track cleaner, and it did "break down" all the junk on the rails and wheels on my outdoor G scale loco.

It also reduced friction so locos would not climb grades and made an even dispersal of black goo on all my rails and wheels.

Took a while to clean it off. My recommendation is that it makes rails too slippery, and if you use it, clean it off completely after, and don't get it on your wheels.

Greg

Re: Cleaners & Lubricants

Don Vollrath
 

I agree. CRC 2-26 is listed first as a lubricant tnen as a cleaner. Putting on the track will help remove unwanted residue, But... it will also act as a lubricant which will reduce the friction and therefore the pulling power of locos. Works great for other sliding type electrical connections.  
DonV 

Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Mark Gurries
 

With respect to the USA

Z scale track voltage and Z scale decoder voltage ratings are not directly related.  The voltage rating of the DCC electronics are typically the same as N and HO.  30V is common standard of electronic parts used.  The voltage rating of the power devices used to drive the motor does not define the physical size of the parts.  

The NMRA does not define specific voltage for specific scales.  They have one standard for all scales: 12V.  Does not change with DCC.

The purpose of having a specific track voltage as a standard is for reliability purposes for both the motor and lamps.

DCC track voltage typically is a bit higher than the DC track voltage because of voltage losses inside the DCC decoder.  The goal is to get 12V at the motor terminals, the same motor operating condition under DC without a decoder.



On Feb 12, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Jay <jayfmn@q.com> wrote:

Hi!
Z Scale recommended voltage should be 9V.
12V is pushing the upper limit of the true Z Scale decoders in Z Scale engines.
The UP6Z is recommended by Digitrax for operating Z scale.

Jay

Best Regards,

Mark Gurries
Electrical Engineer
DCC Website & NMRA DCC Clinics: www.markgurries.com



Re: Power for Z-Scale Decoders

Carl
 

Hello Mark:

I've converted Lionel three rail locomotives and the 12 volt limit is a problem. Lionel and MTH locomotives are wired for 18 volts and some barely move at 12 volt. I'm not quite willing to change to 12 volt motors.

Carl.

On 2/18/2019 1:18 PM, Mark Gurries wrote:
With respect to the USA

Z scale track voltage and Z scale decoder voltage ratings are not directly related.  The voltage rating of the DCC electronics are typically the same as N and HO.  30V is common standard of electronic parts used.  The voltage rating of the power devices used to drive the motor does not define the physical size of the parts.  

The NMRA does not define specific voltage for specific scales.  They have one standard for all scales: 12V.  Does not change with DCC.

The purpose of having a specific track voltage as a standard is for reliability purposes for both the motor and lamps.

DCC track voltage typically is a bit higher than the DC track voltage because of voltage losses inside the DCC decoder.  The goal is to get 12V at the motor terminals, the same motor operating condition under DC without a decoder.

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