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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
dvollrath@...
Ed, It makes no difference to the original AR unit unless you cause a short circuit on those tracks. Use a separate DPDT switch in concert with the Wye turnout leading to the loco turnaround stub to flip the polarity to it. Just remember to flip the switch correctly every time. Be sure that that turnout is not of the power routing type and/or make sure the frog rails are insulated from other tracks leading up to it. The main power feed to the switch should be the reversing output side of the PSX-AR. You could also use a 2nd PSX-AR to power the turnout wye stub if the DPDT switch is too inconvenient. Just adjust the timing of the two units to not interfere with each other. DonV I have a reverse loop that is controlled by a PSX-AR and I have added a quarry at the end of this loop that is controlled by a wye. I understand that this creates another reverse loop but that I can manually control the turnout at the end of the wye using a DPDT switch. My question is: what does this do to the PSX-AR sensing functions - with or without another loco in the original loop? Ed Robinson
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Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
Ed
I have a reverse loop that is controlled by a PSX-AR and I have added a quarry at the end of this loop that is controlled by a wye. I understand that this creates another reverse loop but that I can manually control the turnout at the end of the wye using a DPDT switch. My question is: what does this do to the PSX-AR sensing functions - with or without another loco in the original loop?
Ed Robinson
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Max Maginness
I a word – no, or at least not reliably. As examples see this 3M 14-22 and this
However the answer to your BD -20 question is addressed by these two sizes – tap a 14 or 16 ga. wire as a sub-buss off one of the main feeder wires, run this sub buss through the BD-20 and connect the all track droppers for one rail of the detected section to it. Droppers for the other rail can go to a sub buss off the other main feeder wire, but of course no BD-20. And don’t forget to insulate the detected rail from the adjacent section rails. If you are going to use a lot, a proper tool is recommended or the “connected forever” may be more hopeful than real. And BTW just how big a layout are you contemplating, 10g main feeders is massive overkill for most cases. Max
From: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 4:08 AM To: WiringForDCC@... Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Hopefully starting new layout
Good morning everyone -- is there a suitcase connector that will go from 10 gauge bus wire to 20 or 22 gauge riser -- im considering using solid core wire from ethernet cables as my risers --
on a related note, im assuming there will be more than one riser in a detection section, so how do I handle that with BD-20 block detectors? do all the wires have to go through the detector? one detector for each riser?
Thanks TIM
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM george hohon3 hohon3@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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DCCSwap groups to buy/Sell/Swap ONLY DCC/LCC everything
I started a new Group called DCCSwap.
This site is only for DCC/LCC related items. Read the conditions. The group will have minimal monitoring and the first 2 posts will need to be approved before being listed, then its up to you. I will check in and if something does not comply, then action could be taken. Read the conditions, it should spell out the rules. https://groups.io/g/DCCSwap Thanks Dennis
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Timothy Holmes
Good morning everyone -- is there a suitcase connector that will go from 10 gauge bus wire to 20 or 22 gauge riser -- im considering using solid core wire from ethernet cables as my risers -- on a related note, im assuming there will be more than one riser in a detection section, so how do I handle that with BD-20 block detectors? do all the wires have to go through the detector? one detector for each riser? Thanks TIM
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
george hohon3
Use the correctly sized suitcase connectors and your feeder wires will be connected forever, and without soldering in an upside down position.
LG
On Apr 28, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Affordable Roofing Contractors
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
vincent marino
I wish there was an automatic soldering gun. Underneath the table is a real challenge for us mature guys :)
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Re: Short Buss Wire Gauge
Greg Williams <gregw66@...>
Sorry for the duplicate posts. Thanks Yahoo Groups. Have we considered a switch to Groups.io? It's the way groups are supposed to work. GregW66
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
vincent marino
Thanks Mark for your encouragement. It's my first serious layout on a 5x12 table. Going DCC and planning on as many loco as I can fit :), maybe 12. I have several areas to park them i.e. diesel shed, roundhouse. I had the tracks and turnouts running great before I went underneath with the wiring and track weathering. Now the track blocks are fine but the turnout block is an issue. Every turnout seems to have a short. When I remove them one by one off the layout each turnout exhibits a short. I'm beyond frustrated and disappointed. I really don't want to switch to a different manufacturer, I have bachmann ez track, but I may have to if I can't figure it out soon. Thanks for hearing my vent and again for your encouragement.
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Timothy Holmes
Hi Mark:
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thanks for the good advice locomotives will be a mix of SD90/Mac43 (probably kato) and FP40s (not sure who) and maybe if I am lucky a few broadway imports Modern Diesels w/ paragon 3 sound -- hopefully everything will be sound decoder equipped Train lenght -- initially it will be " representative trains" probably 5 - 8 cars because the distances between towns etc will be short The layout will be built in a 10x10 bedroom, this will be N scale -- it will be around 3 walls on 2 decks -- 1 ft wide with the exception of the south wall which will be 2 feet wide THis isnt my first layout, but it is my first in N scale Im planning to use NCE equipment, the layout will be signaled and lit using LightIt decoders and I am leaning heavily toward the Walthers DCC switch machines b/c the decoder is in them and they are a lot cheaper than circuitron -- we'll see -- gonna do a test Im leaning towards micro-engineering flex track (code 55 if available -- need to do some research today) and possibly peco switches -- again a research item for today I'll be using the MiniPanel product to handle a lot of the layout automation stuff -- signaling and switch control etc -- THe layout is designed for operation -- initially it will be a one man show, but eventually if i can find another operator or 2 I may set up for multi operator use If the list will allow, I have attached the layout design to this e-mail, if it does not they are in the San Luis and Rio Grande folder in the files area -- I dont have feeder points marked yet, nor detection blocks etc. Thank you for the questions, they make me think through things --- hopefully, sinces its a miserable day outside here today, this will be standards day were a lot of the standards stuff will be defined (type of track, type of switches etc) Im REALLY Hoping for lots of input TIM San Luis and Rio Grande What I would suggest...
Let us know what Locomotives you intend to use...and how long a Train --
Tim San Luis and Rio Grande
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New file uploaded to WiringForDCC
WiringForDCC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the WiringForDCC group. File : /Tim Holmes' San Luis and Rio Grande/SLRG Upper Level.bmp Uploaded by : taholmes160 <taholmes160@gmail.com> Description : You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/WiringForDCC/files/Tim%20Holmes%27%20San%20Luis%20and%20Rio%20Grande/SLRG%20Upper%20Level.bmp To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&;y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, taholmes160 <taholmes160@gmail.com>
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New file uploaded to WiringForDCC
WiringForDCC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the WiringForDCC group. File : /Tim Holmes' San Luis and Rio Grande/SLRG Lower Level.bmp Uploaded by : taholmes160 <taholmes160@gmail.com> Description : You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/WiringForDCC/files/Tim%20Holmes%27%20San%20Luis%20and%20Rio%20Grande/SLRG%20Lower%20Level.bmp To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&;y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, taholmes160 <taholmes160@gmail.com>
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
marcdecapri@...
Tim and Vince....
I have been Model Railroading since 1959, as a Six Year Old...Beginning Quitting and then beginning all over again. ===> My first word of advice.... This too will change. Getting it right the first time? Good Luck with that, cause I don't think it's gonna happen. === What I would suggest... Let us know what Locomotives you intend to use...and how long a Train would you like to run on it ? Next.. How much space do you have to work with? === Here's the thing yet I don't mean to discourage you...but the trick is simply to SURVIVE your first layout. Good Luck :)) Mark
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Timothy Holmes
dont worry, Im not going anywhere place near anything bachman
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:55 PM Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
vincent marino
Tim the only advice I would give you is to stay away from Bachmann EZ track and turnouts. I too just started a new layout this past December and am so disgusted I wasn't warned about the inferior quality of Bachmann track and turnouts. I can attest to the NCE quality products you'll love the way they work. Good luck. Sincerely, Vincent Marino Vincent Marino Affordable Roofing Contractors Project Manager 904-260-7663 office The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately.
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC
emrldsky
Hi Vincent, Yes, the power supply for the Kato turnouts is a straight DC power supply. It is separate from, and not connected to anything related to DCC. The two DC wires are connected to one end of the switch, and the center contacts are connected to the turnout. The two ends of the switch are connected to each other by criss-cross wiring that looks like an X.. Here is one link... or another and a last one Peace, Mike G.
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
RONALD ST.LAURENT
Hi Tim, I am also a firm believer in soldered connections to the bus. Be sure to stagger your connecting drops to the bus. In other words do not allow your connections the possibility of shorting together. Also I would highly recommend this kind of wire stripper https://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?dir=asc&order=EAScore%2Cf%2CEAFeatured+Weight%2Cf%2CSale+Rank%2Cf&q=wire+stripper This type is available from many suppliers. This stripper actually "pushes" the insulation apart to allow your jumper to be soldered. This is illustrated at minute 1:40 on this video How To Use The Automatic Wire Stripper This will save you a ton of time. Good luck. Ron St.Laurent Lansing Model Railroad Club
On Friday, April 27, 2018 10:30 AM, "Tim Holmes taholmes160@... [WiringForDCC]" wrote: HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. -- I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity. What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time TIM San Luis and Rio Grande Tim San Luis and Rio Grande
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC
vincent marino
Mike you raised another question. The power supply for the turnouts are they separate from the dcc bus? I guess confused on how to wire the dpdt switch. The center is for power supply explain the other connections again. I'm sorry I'm not getting it.
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Hopefully starting new layout
Timothy Holmes
HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. -- I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity. What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time TIM San Luis and Rio Grande Tim San Luis and Rio Grande
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC
emrldsky
Hi Vincent, I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up. With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X. When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly. Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want. Peace, Mike G.
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