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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Tim Holmes <taholmes160@...>
Good morning everyone -- is there a suitcase connector that will go from 10 gauge bus wire to 20 or 22 gauge riser -- im considering using solid core wire from ethernet cables as my risers -- on a related note, im assuming there will be more than one riser in a detection section, so how do I handle that with BD-20 block detectors? do all the wires have to go through the detector? one detector for each riser? Thanks TIM
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Tim San Luis and Rio Grande
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DCCSwap groups to buy/Sell/Swap ONLY DCC/LCC everything
Dennis Cherry
I started a new Group called DCCSwap.
This site is only for DCC/LCC related items. Read the conditions. The group will have minimal monitoring and the first 2 posts will need to be approved before being listed, then its up to you. I will check in and if something does not comply, then action could be taken. Read the conditions, it should spell out the rules. https://groups.io/g/DCCSwap Thanks Dennis
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Max Maginness
I a word – no, or at least not reliably. As examples see this 3M 14-22 and this
However the answer to your BD -20 question is addressed by these two sizes – tap a 14 or 16 ga. wire as a sub-buss off one of the main feeder wires, run this sub buss through the BD-20 and connect the all track droppers for one rail of the detected section to it. Droppers for the other rail can go to a sub buss off the other main feeder wire, but of course no BD-20. And don’t forget to insulate the detected rail from the adjacent section rails. If you are going to use a lot, a proper tool is recommended or the “connected forever” may be more hopeful than real. And BTW just how big a layout are you contemplating, 10g main feeders is massive overkill for most cases. Max
From: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 4:08 AM To: WiringForDCC@... Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Hopefully starting new layout
Good morning everyone -- is there a suitcase connector that will go from 10 gauge bus wire to 20 or 22 gauge riser -- im considering using solid core wire from ethernet cables as my risers --
on a related note, im assuming there will be more than one riser in a detection section, so how do I handle that with BD-20 block detectors? do all the wires have to go through the detector? one detector for each riser?
Thanks TIM
On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:34 PM george hohon3 hohon3@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
Ed
I have a reverse loop that is controlled by a PSX-AR and I have added a quarry at the end of this loop that is controlled by a wye. I understand that this creates another reverse loop but that I can manually control the turnout at the end of the wye using a DPDT switch. My question is: what does this do to the PSX-AR sensing functions - with or without another loco in the original loop?
Ed Robinson
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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
dvollrath@...
Ed, It makes no difference to the original AR unit unless you cause a short circuit on those tracks. Use a separate DPDT switch in concert with the Wye turnout leading to the loco turnaround stub to flip the polarity to it. Just remember to flip the switch correctly every time. Be sure that that turnout is not of the power routing type and/or make sure the frog rails are insulated from other tracks leading up to it. The main power feed to the switch should be the reversing output side of the PSX-AR. You could also use a 2nd PSX-AR to power the turnout wye stub if the DPDT switch is too inconvenient. Just adjust the timing of the two units to not interfere with each other. DonV I have a reverse loop that is controlled by a PSX-AR and I have added a quarry at the end of this loop that is controlled by a wye. I understand that this creates another reverse loop but that I can manually control the turnout at the end of the wye using a DPDT switch. My question is: what does this do to the PSX-AR sensing functions - with or without another loco in the original loop? Ed Robinson
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Tim Holmes <taholmes160@...>
Hi Max, the layout will be 1 foot wide around 3 walls of a 10x10 room in 2 layers with a helix and one wall will be 2 feet wide for yards and staging I like your idea for the sub busses in the detected sections -- and I think soldering to the busses is the way to go TIM
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:24 AM 'Max Maginness' m.maginness@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
Daniel Thomson
Tim,
On April 28, 2018, at 11:05 AM, "Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC]" <WiringForDCC@...> wrote: I wish there was an automatic soldering gun. Underneath the table is a real challenge for us mature guys :) On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, 10:12 AM 'Ron St.Laurent' r.stlaurent@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC
Daniel Thomson
Vince,
On April 27, 2018, at 10:43 AM, "Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC]" <WiringForDCC@...> wrote: Mike you raised another question. The power supply for the turnouts are they separate from the dcc bus? I guess confused on how to wire the dpdt switch. The center is for power supply explain the other connections again. I'm sorry I'm not getting it.
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Re: Hopefully starting new layout
David Heine
On my layout (27' X 32') is use #12 AWG for the main DCC bus. #14 AWG sub-buses are used to divide the layout into electrical sections. I feed each sub-bus with a disconnect switch, for easier troubleshooting. My sections are towns, yards, mainline sections, etc. I use #22 AWG drops to each piece of rail. If the drop doesn't reach the bus, I usually use a piece of #18 wire to bridge the gap. I don't solder under the layout. I either use terminal blocks, or the Scotch "suitcase" connectors. I use both the 905 and 567 Max mentioned. I have installed hundreds (thousand?) of these with hundreds more to go, so I bought one of the 3M crimps tools when I first started. Layout is Sn3/Sn2/S, so the loads are similar to HO. Rail size is mostly Code 70 and 55, which is why I use #22 drops. Dave Heine Easton, PA
On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Daniel C Thomson danielc.thomson@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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New group just to sell DCC Stuff
Dennis Cherry
New Group on Groups.io for DCC onlyI started a new Groups.io called DCCSwap. This site is only for DCC/LCC related items. Read the conditions, very generous. The groups will have minimal monitoring but the first 2 posts will need to be approved before being listed, then its up to you. I will check in and if something does not comply, then action could be taken. Read the conditions, it will spell out the rules. https://groups.io/g/DCCSwap Thanks Dennis
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Moving the Q&A Forum
wirefordcc
All, As you may have heard from others, groups on Yahoo are having problems and are moving to Groups.io. I will be moving the Wiring for DCC Q&A Forum as well. I'm hoping to do this within the next month. I am in the process of learning about groups on Groups.io and setting up the new Q&A forum. It is my understanding that if you want to be a part of the Q&A forum, you won't have to do anything - your membership and Yahoo settings, like whether you receive individual emails or digests - will be transferred. I also plan to notify you when the forum is moved and I will change the link in my website so that new people can find the forum. Allan Gartner Wiring For DCC
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Re: Moving the Q&A Forum
Brian Eiland
Probably a good idea. I know of several forums that have moved and things seem to be going well. Yahoo just let themselves get outdated.
On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 5:04 PM, bigboy@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Moving the Q&A Forum
whmvd
Hi Allan, If it really works out that seamlessly, it is time to take my hat of to IT people for the first time in a very long while. So far, I've only heard good things from those who switched, but it looks like yours is the first group I'm on to take the plunge. Best of luck - hope there's not too much admin work involved in setting it all up.
On 5 May 2018 at 22:45, railandsail railandsail@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
Steve Haas
Ed Robinson asks:
“I have a reverse loop that is controlled by a PSX-AR and I have added a quarry at the end of this loop that is controlled by a wye. I understand that this creates another reverse loop but that I can manually control the turnout at the end of the wye using a DPDT switch. My question is: what does this do to the PSX-AR sensing functions - with or without another loco in the original loop?”
It's a bit difficult to answer this question without knowing the lengths of the various tracks, and how you intend to operate engines/trains in that portion of your layout.
Having said that, this can be done with only one PSX-AR. There are several ways to wire this:
There are variations on most of those options depending on which makes the most sense for your track plan and how you intend to operate the area. If I were a better artist I’d draw out some examples for you.
Just remember, the track that creates the ability for a train to reverse itself isn’t necessarily the section that should necessarily be powered by the PSX-AR.
Let me know if you need more help with this!
Best regards,
Steve
Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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Re: Moving the Q&A Forum
wirefordcc
Wouter,
I know what you mean. I’m a member of the DIgitrax groups.io group. As near as I can tell it worked as advertised. In any event, keep your fingers crossed!
Allan
From: WiringForDCC@... Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 2:19 AM
Hi Allan, If it really works out that seamlessly, it is time to take my hat of to IT people for the first time in a very long while. So far, I've only heard good things from those who switched, but it looks like yours is the first group I'm on to take the plunge. Best of luck - hope there's not too much admin work involved in setting it all up. Wouter
On 5 May 2018 at 22:45, railandsail railandsail@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
Ed
Thanks Don & Steve. I believe I understand each of your explanations but a short description of operations is in order. This is a short reverse loop because it only leads to a small quarry where one or two cars would be loaded. Movement of the cars within the quarry is done with a small switcher. Cars would be delivered to/from the quarry from the mainline using mainline locos so they would cross the wye and enter the quarry, drop off/pick up the cars, then exit the quarry via the wye. It is also possible for the quarry switcher to move the cars to/from the quarry by crossing the wye and drop off/pick up on one of the mainline legs of the wye. So, one of my questions is: can you have an operating loco in the mainline reverse loop and at the same time have the quarry loco move across the wye to move cars? If not, then a solution is to never have the quarry switcher cross the wye but this limits my ability to move the switcher to somewhere else on the layout - the engine shed in town for instance. Ed Robinson
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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
Ed, a diagram posted in the photo section would sure be helpful. Paul O
On May 9, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Ed Robinson lehighman@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
dvollrath@...
I agree. Post a sketch showing the track layout and things you name so we can mark it up and send more thorough suggestions. But... any loco that stays inside the A-R controlled section while another loco/train enters/exits over A-R/main boundaries will not be affected by a change in A-R section polarity. Trouble occurs only when two different A-R boundaries are being crossed at the same time. The polarity of a wye stub can be selected by the position of the last turnout leading up to. If the sub-bus feed for that stub and turnout happens to be an A-R section controller... so be it. DonV ---In WiringForDCC@..., <pomilian@...> wrote : Ed, a diagram posted in the photo section would sure be helpful. Paul O
On May 9, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Ed Robinson lehighman@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
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New file uploaded to WiringForDCC
WiringForDCC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the WiringForDCC group. File : /Quarry wye.jpg Uploaded by : esmileyrob <lehighman@...> Description : Diagram of reverse loop inside another reverse loop You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/WiringForDCC/files/Quarry%20wye.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 Regards, esmileyrob <lehighman@...>
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Re: Reverse Loop inside another reverse loop
Ed
OK. A picture has been uploaded to the files section titled "Quarry wye.jpg" Hopefully this helps.
Ed Robinson
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