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Re: Short Buss Wire Gauge

Greg Williams <gregw66@...>
 

Sorry for the duplicate posts. Thanks Yahoo Groups. Have we considered a switch to Groups.io? It's the way groups are supposed to work.

GregW66


Re: Hopefully starting new layout

vincent marino
 

Thanks Mark for your encouragement. It's my first serious layout on a 5x12 table. Going DCC and planning on as many loco as I can fit :), maybe 12. I have several areas to park them i.e. diesel shed, roundhouse. I had the tracks and turnouts running great before I went underneath with the wiring and track weathering. Now the track blocks are fine but the turnout block is an issue. Every turnout seems to have a short. When I remove them one by one off the layout each turnout exhibits a short. I'm beyond frustrated and disappointed. I really don't want to switch to a different manufacturer, I have bachmann ez track, but I may have to if I can't figure it out soon. Thanks for hearing my vent and again for your encouragement.


On Sat, Apr 28, 2018, 12:19 AM marcdecapri@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Tim and Vince....

I have been Model Railroading since 1959, as a Six Year Old...Beginning Quitting and then beginning all over again.
===> My first word of advice....
This too will change.
Getting it right the first time? 
Good Luck with that, cause I don't think it's gonna happen.
===
What I would suggest...
Let us know what Locomotives you intend to use...and how long a Train would you like to run on it ?
Next..
How much space do you have to work with?
===
Here's the thing yet I don't mean to discourage you...but the trick is simply to SURVIVE your first layout.
Good Luck
:)) Mark


Re: Hopefully starting new layout

Timothy Holmes
 

Hi Mark:

thanks for the good advice locomotives will be a mix of SD90/Mac43
(probably kato) and FP40s (not sure who) and maybe if I am lucky a few
broadway imports Modern Diesels w/ paragon 3 sound -- hopefully everything
will be sound decoder equipped

Train lenght -- initially it will be " representative trains" probably 5 -
8 cars because the distances between towns etc will be short

The layout will be built in a 10x10 bedroom, this will be N scale -- it
will be around 3 walls on 2 decks -- 1 ft wide with the exception of the
south wall which will be 2 feet wide

THis isnt my first layout, but it is my first in N scale

Im planning to use NCE equipment, the layout will be signaled and lit using
LightIt decoders and I am leaning heavily toward the Walthers DCC switch
machines b/c the decoder is in them and they are a lot cheaper than
circuitron -- we'll see -- gonna do a test

Im leaning towards micro-engineering flex track (code 55 if available --
need to do some research today) and possibly peco switches -- again a
research item for today

I'll be using the MiniPanel product to handle a lot of the layout
automation stuff -- signaling and switch control etc --

THe layout is designed for operation -- initially it will be a one man
show, but eventually if i can find another operator or 2 I may set up for
multi operator use

If the list will allow, I have attached the layout design to this e-mail,
if it does not they are in the San Luis and Rio Grande folder in the files
area -- I dont have feeder points marked yet, nor detection blocks etc.

Thank you for the questions, they make me think through things ---
hopefully, sinces its a miserable day outside here today, this will be
standards day were a lot of the standards stuff will be defined (type of
track, type of switches etc)

Im REALLY Hoping for lots of input

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande




What I would suggest...

Let us know what Locomotives you intend to use...and how long a Train
would you like to run on it ?
Next..
How much space do you have to work with?



--

Tim

San Luis and Rio Grande


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Re: Hopefully starting new layout

marcdecapri@...
 

Tim and Vince....
I have been Model Railroading since 1959, as a Six Year Old...Beginning Quitting and then beginning all over again.
===> My first word of advice....
This too will change.
Getting it right the first time? 
Good Luck with that, cause I don't think it's gonna happen.
===
What I would suggest...
Let us know what Locomotives you intend to use...and how long a Train would you like to run on it ?
Next..
How much space do you have to work with?
===
Here's the thing yet I don't mean to discourage you...but the trick is simply to SURVIVE your first layout.
Good Luck
:)) Mark


Re: Hopefully starting new layout

Timothy Holmes
 

dont worry, Im not going anywhere place near anything bachman


On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:55 PM Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Tim the only advice I would give you is to stay away from Bachmann EZ track and turnouts. I too just started a new layout this past December and am so disgusted I wasn't warned about the inferior quality of Bachmann track and turnouts. I can attest to the NCE quality products you'll love the way they work. Good luck.

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Tim Holmes taholmes160@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. 

I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity.

What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time 

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande
--

Tim 

San Luis and Rio Grande


--

Tim 

San Luis and Rio Grande


Re: Hopefully starting new layout

vincent marino
 

Tim the only advice I would give you is to stay away from Bachmann EZ track and turnouts. I too just started a new layout this past December and am so disgusted I wasn't warned about the inferior quality of Bachmann track and turnouts. I can attest to the NCE quality products you'll love the way they work. Good luck.

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Tim Holmes taholmes160@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. 

I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity.

What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time 

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande
--

Tim 

San Luis and Rio Grande



Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi Vincent,
Yes, the power supply for the Kato turnouts is a straight DC power supply. It is separate from, and not connected to anything related to DCC.​
The two DC wires are connected to one end of the switch, and the center contacts are connected to the turnout. The two ends of the switch are connected to each other by criss-cross wiring that looks like an X..

Here is one link...
or another
and a last one


Peace,
Mike G.




On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike you raised another question. The power supply for the turnouts are they separate from the dcc bus?

I guess confused on how to wire the dpdt switch. The center is for power supply explain the other connections again. I'm sorry I'm not getting it. 

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 9:36 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up.
With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X.
When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly.
Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www..bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Re: Hopefully starting new layout

RONALD ST.LAURENT
 

Hi Tim,

I am also a firm believer in soldered connections to the bus.  Be sure to stagger your connecting drops to the bus.  In other words do not allow your connections the possibility of shorting together.  Also I would highly recommend this kind of wire stripper https://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?dir=asc&order=EAScore%2Cf%2CEAFeatured+Weight%2Cf%2CSale+Rank%2Cf&q=wire+stripper
This type is available from many suppliers.  This stripper actually "pushes" the insulation apart to allow your jumper to be soldered.  This is illustrated at minute 1:40 on this video How To Use The Automatic Wire Stripper
This will save you a ton of time.  Good luck.

Ron St.Laurent
Lansing Model Railroad Club




On Friday, April 27, 2018 10:30 AM, "Tim Holmes taholmes160@... [WiringForDCC]" wrote:


 
HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. 

I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity.

What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time 

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande
--
Tim 
San Luis and Rio Grande




Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Mike you raised another question. The power supply for the turnouts are they separate from the dcc bus?

I guess confused on how to wire the dpdt switch. The center is for power supply explain the other connections again. I'm sorry I'm not getting it. 


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 9:36 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up.
With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X.
When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly.
Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www..bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Hopefully starting new layout

Timothy Holmes
 

HI guys -- im hopefully starting a layout this weekend with a test module -- the layout will be made of 1x2 foot sections (for ease of handling) -- my thoughts are 10 or 12 gauge wire for the power bus, and ideally 20 or 22 gauge risers to the track -- every section to have a riser on it to ensure good connections. 

I'll probably strip back sections of the bus, and solder the risers to it again to ensure good connectivity.

What else should I be doing -- I am planning to use NCE system, and I really want to get this right the FIRST time 

TIM
San Luis and Rio Grande
--

Tim 

San Luis and Rio Grande


Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi Vincent,
I would not use single pole switches at all. While there may be a way to hook them up, it is too simple to foul things up.
With a DPDT switch, the DC + and - wires go to the , and the two wires to the turnout go to the two center contacts. The two ends are hooked together with a criss-cross, or X.
When you test, if the turnout goes the wrong way when you hit the switch, you can reverse the wires at the turnout, or at the center contacts of the switch. If it would be easier, you can buss all the + sides together, and all the - sides together from the DC supply. I run my DC supply at 14 volts. Since it is just a momentary connection, it provides enough energy to move the turnout quickly.
Although it is not too helpful, I can post pictures if you want.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www..bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Mike, I have a question. Can I use single pole momentary and connect the check other turnout wire to the bus wire?


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 7:07 PM Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi  Vincent,
Just make sure that they are center off, momentary. Otherwise you will destroy the Kato coils.
The switches should not be very expensive. I have the miniature ones because of the size of my control panel. They were less than $2 each. I am guessing that they may not have increased very much.​ Simple to wire, just be careful soldering, because it is close quarters.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www..bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Short Buss Wire Gauge

Greg Williams <gregw66@...>
 

I am planning a small switching layout, 2'x6'. It will be wooden frame with cross braces every 2 feet. This allows 3 "spaces" I am planning to run a 16 AWG buss from the circuit breaker set at 1.5A max to a distribution block in each 2'x2' space under the layout. The feeders for the track would be run from the distribution block. 20 AWG wire. The most I will have is 2 locos at any one time and most of the time only one. I am thinking with these short runs and low current, 16 AWG will be enough. It is local and inexpensive. 

GregW66


Re: Kato Switches and DCC

W. Rusty Lane, Jr.
 

Vincent,


I think the switch you need is called a ¨momentary¨ DPDT with center off.  As John said, it is spring loaded and has to be held in each position only ¨momentary¨ so as not to burn out the coils.   😁


W Rusty Lane in eastern Tennessee (Witherington Place Railroad)




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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

Mike I agree that the decoders get complicated. I'm a simple man so the DPDT switches sound good to me. thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Mike Gallagher azMikeG@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder..

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www..bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

emrldsky
 

Hi Vincent,
As I have said in an earlier post, I use DPDT, momentary, center off switches on my Kato HO turnouts. The Kato turnouts are of a "Twin Coli" type, and it works fine.
You can also use DCC, but it gets more complex, and you have to be sure you have the correct interface boards, as ones used for Tortoise will ruin the Kato coils.​

As for why use one or the other, it is strictly a matter of choice and the reasons for and against degrade into a never ending discussion that no one ever comes out feeling good about. So, evaluate what you want to do, and how you intend to do it, then press on. Both approaches work. The fun and complexity of one over the other is in the eye of the beholder.

Peace,
Mike G.


On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:38 AM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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Re: Kato Switches and DCC

vincent marino
 

John thank you. I'm leaning towards the DPDP switches because the decoders are not just more expensive but for me at this point more complicated with my NCE system. NCE makes a decoder for Kato @ $25 per turnout, I have 12 turnouts. 

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
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904-449-6339  mobile
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On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, 'John M Wallis' wallisjm@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vincent:

 

Yes, Kato switches (turnouts) can definitely be used with a DCC system. Throwing them manually is no issue.

 

The turnouts are solenoids that are operated by reversing polarity. Thus you would need a DPDP-Center off, spring operated toggle switch. It  must be spring operated so contact is made only as long ads you hold the toggle in the desired position. This must be brief as too long a current flow will burn out the solenoid.

 

The Kato proprietary switch is not required, but it is probably the safest for operating their turnouts.

 

You can also use DCC decoders to operate the turnout solenoids.

 

Regards,

 

 

John Wallis

 

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:00 AM
To: wiringfordcc@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] Kato Switches and DCC

 

 

Question; can Kato DC switches be used with a DCC system? I'm planning on throwing the switches manually. That leads me to my next question; can I throw the switches using a single pole or double pole switch (which one)? and/or does Kato require their own propriety switch to be used? 

 

Thanks guys I always get good advice on this group.

 

 


Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors

Project Manager
904-260-7663 office

904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 

 

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