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Re: NCE 4pin connector

Mark Gurries
 





On Mar 27, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



Does anyone know the exact name of the 4pin control bus plug for NCE?   I bought a bag of RJ11 and they are way large than the NCE connector. 

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino 
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Re: NCE 4pin connector

JB
 

Re: NCE 4pin connector

Glenn
 

RJ9, RJ10, or RJ22

"" The 4P4C connector is the standard modular connector used on both ends of telephone handset cords, and is therefore often called a handset connector.

This handset connector is not a registered jack, because it was not intended to connect directly to the telephone lines. However it is often referred to as RJ9, RJ10, or RJ22. ""

Note: From experience The coil cord telephone handset cord will not work with NCE.

Handset wiring

Wiring diagram of 4P4C/RJ9 connector in telephone handset cord.



-----Original Message-----
From: "Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC]"
Sent: Mar 27, 2018 7:48 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: [WiringForDCC] NCE 4pin connector



Does anyone know the exact name of the 4pin control bus plug for NCE?   I bought a bag of RJ11 and they are way large than the NCE connector. 

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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Re: NCE 4pin connector

Mark Gurries
 

The booster use a RJ-H/RJ9 or a RJ-22 jack.   They are not the same as the RJ12/14 used for cab bus and throttles.

They series of connectors are NOT compatible with the RJ12 and RJ14 jacks and sockets.  They are physically smaller than that the RJ12/RJ14.   This is the handset socket series, hence the RJH identity, which referred to the old phones where there was a cable than ran between the HandPiece you held my you hand to the side of your head to hear and speak with the phone.

If people would look at the link I sent on this very topic you will see the difference.  Here it is again.


The first picture you see is to relative scale and shows the difference.


The RJ11, RJ12 and RJ14 are the same physical size but do not have the same number of wire.

RJ11: 2 wires (Single phone line service)
RJ14: 4 wires (2 phone line service)
RJ12: 6 wires. (3 phone tine service)

NCE use Modular connector which have a convention on how they are names.  XpYc  where p= contact positions possible and c=contacts installed.  X & Y are the numerical value identifying the quantity of p and c.

Cab bus uses a RJ12         AKA  6p6c modular connectors.
Throttles use coiled RJ14   AKA 6p4c modular connectors
Boosters use RJH              AKA 4p4c modular connectors  (note the 4p….the connector is smaller)


NCE does NOT use RJ11 AKA 6p2C connectors.



On Mar 29, 2018, at 6:18 AM, Glenn ghazel@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:



RJ9, RJ10, or RJ22

"" The 4P4C connector is the standard modular connector used on both ends of telephone handset cords, and is therefore often called a handset connector.

This handset connector is not a registered jack, because it was not intended to connect directly to the telephone lines. However it is often referred to as RJ9, RJ10, or RJ22. ""

Note: From experience The coil cord telephone handset cord will not work with NCE.

Handset wiring

Wiring diagram of 4P4C/RJ9 connector in telephone handset cord.



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Sent: Mar 27, 2018 7:48 PM 
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Subject: [WiringForDCC] NCE 4pin connector 



Does anyone know the exact name of the 4pin control bus plug for NCE?   I bought a bag of RJ11 and they are way large than the NCE connector. 

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino 
Vincent Marino
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Bowser F7 conversion

Nick Ostrosky
 

Hello again, I just added a Soundtraxx MC2H104OP decoder to an older Bowser F7 that had an 8-pin DCC socket, only to realize there is no provision for sound (as far as I can tell).  So that I'm not compounding the error, how do I go about adding sound, either with the current decoder or with something different? As always, thank you for your input in advance.

Re: Bowser F7 conversion

Richard Gagnon
 

Simply go to the SoundTraxx site and look at the decoder selector siie for the Bowser locos. The speaker and baffle are are suggested also.
Put that decoder aside.

Rich.


Failure is not an option. it comes bundled with Windows.

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Re: Bowser F7 conversion

Nick Ostrosky
 

Thank you, I suspected I made a mistake in choosing  based on the 8-pin only.

Re: Bowser F7 conversion

Richard Gagnon
 

Yes. You should have at least looked at the SoundTraxx site for ALL the decoder possibilities.

LokSound, TCs have excellent sound decoders also.
If you are new to DCC, decoders come as lightboard or plug in for sound. I have done both.
There are a number of different ways of doing decoder installs. Different types of pins also.
TCS has some WOW decoder installs for Bowsers but not your model.
You could Google bowser f7 loksound install and get hits or bowser f7 tcs wow install.


Bachmann ez Trac switches

vincent marino
 

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?

Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

Charles Brumbelow
 

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i.e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?

Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

john
 

Check something on your switches, preferably a spare because in place won't work. Use a volt ohm meter or a continuity tester and see if the two rails at the frog are connected. If they are at least one end of a siding has to be insulated as the switch is powered by the rail the points are touching or if there are extra feeds on parallel tracks the rails will always be shorted. 
If you find this to be your problem, you can gap the rail with a sharp new razor saw without removing track work. The gaps should be held open by gluing in a chip of thin plastic, I prefer bubble pack plastic.
With the gaps, you will need to put the frog feeds back in.
Good luck.
jd




On Monday, April 16, 2018 1:23 PM, "Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC]" wrote:




Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i..e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?




Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

vincent marino
 

I appreciate your reply, let me answer your good questions:

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? It was working fine when I had the table wired from the top of the table, switches all worked fine. The only thing different is I painted the tracks, ran the feeder wires to the respective block bus wire and hooked up the frog wires to one side of the bus line (there was only one wire from the frog) Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks)  the table has 6 blocks. It's the switch block with the short problem. or can you isolate and test sections one by one?  I'm desperate and planning on removing each switch and test it for an internal short, but before I do that just today I had a buddy look at it with me and we discovered that some gaps between track and frogs are closer than others, perhaps in fitting the tracks together at the final installation. I'm going to use a dremel and make the close gaps open a little more. Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that?  I have not added any track it's a new table layout. 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i.e. breaker breaking? only yes, I have a buzzer set up that allows me to test track. All the other blocks no problem, engine will run on them until it hits the switch block.  

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs....  the frogs are metal and have one wire coming from underneath to power the frog. They don't tell you which side of the bus to hook it up.  So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? 8 How large is the layout?  5x12

thanks again for your input

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i.e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?


Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

vincent marino
 

thanks for your suggestion. does it matter what side the frog wire goes to?

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:40 PM, john dunn john.p.dunn@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Check something on your switches, preferably a spare because in place won't work. Use a volt ohm meter or a continuity tester and see if the two rails at the frog are connected. If they are at least one end of a siding has to be insulated as the switch is powered by the rail the points are touching or if there are extra feeds on parallel tracks the rails will always be shorted. 
If you find this to be your problem, you can gap the rail with a sharp new razor saw without removing track work. The gaps should be held open by gluing in a chip of thin plastic, I prefer bubble pack plastic.
With the gaps, you will need to put the frog feeds back in.
Good luck.
jd




On Monday, April 16, 2018 1:23 PM, "Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC]" <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:




Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i..e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?





Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

David Klemm
 

You can’t hook the frog straight to a buss wire. When a turnout is in the closed position, it needs power from one wire and when it is thrown it needs power from the other wire. 



David Klemm
8 Plus


From: WiringForDCC@...
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 2:05:58 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Bachmann ez Trac switches
 
 

I appreciate your reply, let me answer your good questions:

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? It was working fine when I had the table wired from the top of the table, switches all worked fine. The only thing different is I painted the tracks, ran the feeder wires to the respective block bus wire and hooked up the frog wires to one side of the bus line (there was only one wire from the frog) Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks)  the table has 6 blocks. It's the switch block with the short problem. or can you isolate and test sections one by one?  I'm desperate and planning on removing each switch and test it for an internal short, but before I do that just today I had a buddy look at it with me and we discovered that some gaps between track and frogs are closer than others, perhaps in fitting the tracks together at the final installation. I'm going to use a dremel and make the close gaps open a little more. Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that?  I have not added any track it's a new table layout. 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i..e. breaker breaking? only yes, I have a buzzer set up that allows me to test track. All the other blocks no problem, engine will run on them until it hits the switch block.  

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs....  the frogs are metal and have one wire coming from underneath to power the frog. They don't tell you which side of the bus to hook it up.  So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? 8 How large is the layout?  5x12

thanks again for your input

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i.e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?


Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

dvollrath@...
 


The wire powering the frog must somehow be powered through a polarity switch or other frog-juicer like mechanism to flip the polarity of the frog to be in concert with the throwbar. It must not be permanently connected to one rail or the other. You earlier success tells me that you did not have the frog wire connected to anything. that may work too. Be sure that all intended rail gaps are still open.

DonV

---In WiringForDCC@..., <vmarino2009@...> wrote :

thanks for your suggestion. does it matter what side the frog wire goes to?

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:40 PM, john dunn john.p.dunn@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Check something on your switches, preferably a spare because in place won't work. Use a volt ohm meter or a continuity tester and see if the two rails at the frog are connected. If they are at least one end of a siding has to be insulated as the switch is powered by the rail the points are touching or if there are extra feeds on parallel tracks the rails will always be shorted. 
If you find this to be your problem, you can gap the rail with a sharp new razor saw without removing track work. The gaps should be held open by gluing in a chip of thin plastic, I prefer bubble pack plastic.
With the gaps, you will need to put the frog feeds back in.
Good luck.
jd




On Monday, April 16, 2018 1:23 PM, "Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC]" <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:




Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i..e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?





Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

vincent marino
 

thank you sir that confirms my approach to this problem thanks again

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:55 PM, dvollrath@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 


The wire powering the frog must somehow be powered through a polarity switch or other frog-juicer like mechanism to flip the polarity of the frog to be in concert with the throwbar. It must not be permanently connected to one rail or the other. You earlier success tells me that you did not have the frog wire connected to anything. that may work too. Be sure that all intended rail gaps are still open.

DonV

---In WiringForDCC@..., <vmarino2009@...> wrote :

thanks for your suggestion. does it matter what side the frog wire goes to?

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:40 PM, john dunn john.p.dunn@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

Check something on your switches, preferably a spare because in place won't work. Use a volt ohm meter or a continuity tester and see if the two rails at the frog are connected. If they are at least one end of a siding has to be insulated as the switch is powered by the rail the points are touching or if there are extra feeds on parallel tracks the rails will always be shorted. 
If you find this to be your problem, you can gap the rail with a sharp new razor saw without removing track work. The gaps should be held open by gluing in a chip of thin plastic, I prefer bubble pack plastic.
With the gaps, you will need to put the frog feeds back in.
Good luck.
jd




On Monday, April 16, 2018 1:23 PM, "Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC]" <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:




Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i..e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs.... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?






Re: Bachmann ez Trac switches

vincent marino
 

thank you. I would have thought the manufacturer would have mentioned how to hook up the frog wire in the instructions. But NO they waited until I got the whole thing installed. 

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:48 PM, DAVID KLEMM davidklemm7511@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:
 

You can’t hook the frog straight to a buss wire. When a turnout is in the closed position, it needs power from one wire and when it is thrown it needs power from the other wire. 



David Klemm
8 Plus

From: WiringForDCC@... <WiringForDCC@...> on behalf of Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 2:05:58 PM
To: WiringForDCC@...
Subject: Re: [WiringForDCC] Bachmann ez Trac switches
 
 

I appreciate your reply, let me answer your good questions:

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? It was working fine when I had the table wired from the top of the table, switches all worked fine. The only thing different is I painted the tracks, ran the feeder wires to the respective block bus wire and hooked up the frog wires to one side of the bus line (there was only one wire from the frog) Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks)  the table has 6 blocks. It's the switch block with the short problem. or can you isolate and test sections one by one?  I'm desperate and planning on removing each switch and test it for an internal short, but before I do that just today I had a buddy look at it with me and we discovered that some gaps between track and frogs are closer than others, perhaps in fitting the tracks together at the final installation. I'm going to use a dremel and make the close gaps open a little more. Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that?  I have not added any track it's a new table layout. 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i..e. breaker breaking? only yes, I have a buzzer set up that allows me to test track. All the other blocks no problem, engine will run on them until it hits the switch block.  

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs....  the frogs are metal and have one wire coming from underneath to power the frog. They don't tell you which side of the bus to hook it up.  So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? 8 How large is the layout?  5x12

thanks again for your input

Sincerely,
Vincent Marino
Vincent Marino
Affordable Roofing Contractors
Project Manager
904-260-7663 office
904-683-2914 fax
904-449-6339  mobile
www.bestaffordablecontractors.com 
 
The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Charles Brumbelow mrb37211@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
 

Was everything OK then suddenly the problem developed? Is the whole layout one big electrical system (no blocks) or can you isolate and test sections one by one? Have you added track work which incidentally created a wye or a reversing loop without wiring for that? 

With no rolling stock at all on the track do you have shorts i.e. breaker breaking?

From pictures on eBay these switches all seem to have plastic frogs...... So I don’t understand your comment about frog wires. 

How many switches are installed on your layout? How large is the layout?

Good luck

Charles

On Apr 15, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Affordable Roofing Contractors vmarino2009@... [WiringForDCC] <WiringForDCC@...> wrote:

All my switches are shorting. I've removed the frog wires from the bus line, still shorting. Any suggestions (besides replacing the whole layout)?



wiring for a large layout

Bob Macionis
 

I am rebuilding my large HO layout with the hope of improving my wiring. Any suggestions for making it as good as possible will be appreciated.
I am using NCE. My former layout, about the same size as the new one, had a command station and one booster, with bus runs of up to 100 feet. I plan to add two more boosters and keep bus runs under 40 feet. The layout will be completely double decked, and the mainline run will be over 500 feet long.
I plan to have booster 1 (B1) power sections B lower, B upper, and C upper; B2 power C lower and D lower; command station (CS)
power F & G lower and upper; B3 power E lower, D upper, and A lower & upper by running the wires up thru the ceiling, across the aisle and down to A. I could add a fourth booster to power just A lower & upper if needed; there will be only a few locomotives running there at any one time.
I plan on about 15 circuit breakers plus 6 autoreversing circuit breakers controlling the 6 reverse loops. I have PSX and PSX-AR breakers currently. I plan to use block watchers and BD-20’s for block detection as part of a custom signaling system.
I will keep the track power bus wires next to the back wall, and the throttle control bus at the front edge. I will have a cable carrying 12 volts running everywhere to work the signals. Will that cable cause interference if too close to either the control bus or the power bus? The wire from the wireless base station to the command station will be about 30 feet. Is that ok for good performance?
Do I run a ground wire from booster 1 to the command station to B2 to B3? The ground will be about 20 foot sections. Is 12 gauge appropriate? I plan on 12 gauge for the bus wire.
This is my chance to get all the wiring done the right way. I have read all of the Wiringfordcc website & have learned a lot, but I thank you for any and all suggestions.
Bob

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Re: wiring for a large layout

Bob Macionis
 

  I see my little diagram of my layout has been removed.  Can anyone tell me how to send a diagram that will be printed?
Bob

Re: wiring for a large layout

dvollrath@...
 

Bob,

Sounds like you have the right idea. But 3 boosters feeding 15 circuit breakers + 6 A-R sections sounds like overkill unless you have many operators with poor operating habits. Using separate places to run DCC track power vs control signaling busses is smart. Be sure to use twisted pair for DCC distribution (16 Ga or larger)with R/C snubbers connected at each far end from each boosters. (NCE sells them) Run the booster common tie wire in parallel with the feeders but continue it on to the next booster. You can run your 12V signaling supply in parallel with the throttle bus and other signal wiring. Be sure to locate the BD20 (or other) occupancy detectors close to the sub-bus track sections to be detected. You would be smart to dedicate a booster to operating turnouts and/or other accessory items using DCC power and commands.


DonV