Affirming My Belgian Heritage


Roger Gallet
 

My name is Roger Gallet.  I am a U.S. citizen with Belgian heritage on my father's side of the family.  I'm trying to find out if I can claim Belgian citizenship based on my paternal family lineage.  After doing a bit of internet research on Belgian nationality laws, I believe that I can claim Belgian citizenship.  
 
I have contacted both the Belgian Foreign Affairs office in Belgium, and the Belgian Consulate General in New York.  After reviewing my information, both offices agreed that my claim to Belgian citizenship was valid.  The Belgian Consulate in New York advised me to submit the required documentation to support my claim and provided a list of documents that they would need for me to be registered.  They also provided me with the name of your organization along with the link to your website.  That is how I have come to contact you. 
 
I was very excited to learn of your organization, and to read about your mission and the work you do.  I'm eager to share my family's Belgian heritage with you.  I will provide the list of documents that the Belgian Consulate needs; if you can help in that regard, I would be most appreciative.  Finally, I mailed my membership application and check for membership fee on Jan 19, 2021.  Please confirm that you received my check, and that I am now a member of The Belgian Researchers.

Thank you,
Roger Gallet


Regine Brindle
 

Hello Roger!

Can't confirm anything yet as the mail has of yet not brought anything here.
I hope you sent your mail to 495 East 5th Street - address found on the website - as the embassy has continued to send people to Oregon where the previous president of The Belgian researchers resided, years ago.

We can still try and see what we can do to help you.
It may be required that you contact the local administration on your own if the records fall under the time frame where privacy law rules off limit to outsiders.

Hope to hear back from you soon and will let you know as soon as your mail arrives.

either way, welcome!

Regine Brindle

On Thursday, January 28, 2021, 10:45:33 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


My name is Roger Gallet.  I am a U.S. citizen with Belgian heritage on my father's side of the family.  I'm trying to find out if I can claim Belgian citizenship based on my paternal family lineage.  After doing a bit of internet research on Belgian nationality laws, I believe that I can claim Belgian citizenship.  
 
I have contacted both the Belgian Foreign Affairs office in Belgium, and the Belgian Consulate General in New York.  After reviewing my information, both offices agreed that my claim to Belgian citizenship was valid.  The Belgian Consulate in New York advised me to submit the required documentation to support my claim and provided a list of documents that they would need for me to be registered.  They also provided me with the name of your organization along with the link to your website.  That is how I have come to contact you. 
 
I was very excited to learn of your organization, and to read about your mission and the work you do.  I'm eager to share my family's Belgian heritage with you.  I will provide the list of documents that the Belgian Consulate needs; if you can help in that regard, I would be most appreciative.  Finally, I mailed my membership application and check for membership fee on Jan 19, 2021.  Please confirm that you received my check, and that I am now a member of The Belgian Researchers.

Thank you,
Roger Gallet


Roger Gallet
 

Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Regine Brindle
 

Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Mieke
 

Marriage gallet and lambert is attached, like i thought on www.archiefbankbrugge.be

Parents of Gallet living in Assebroek and parents of lambert living at brugge. Oedelme is Oedelem.
death rec of alphons lambert on 26/11/1937 at koolkerke also attached. He was born on 24/05/1865 at oedelem, son of fredericus and julia lescroart.
death rec of maria magdalena verfaillie on 31/03/1937 at koolkerke also attached. She was 70 years 6 months and 3 days old on death daughter of petrus jacobus (+ at oostkerke) and ludovica de decker (+ at koolkerke)
death rec of pauline jackson also attached, husband + at ghent (i will try to get it, normally no issue) on 12/02/1945 brugge. she was 83 years and 10 months old on death and born at brugge, daughter of joseph jacques francois and pauline virginie van stockeren.


Grtz, 

Mieke

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
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Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Regine Brindle
 

Great detective work as always, Mieke! Thank You!

Regine

On Saturday, January 30, 2021, 4:34:18 PM EST, Mieke <chatje80@...> wrote:


Marriage gallet and lambert is attached, like i thought on www.archiefbankbrugge.be

Parents of Gallet living in Assebroek and parents of lambert living at brugge. Oedelme is Oedelem.
death rec of alphons lambert on 26/11/1937 at koolkerke also attached. He was born on 24/05/1865 at oedelem, son of fredericus and julia lescroart.
death rec of maria magdalena verfaillie on 31/03/1937 at koolkerke also attached. She was 70 years 6 months and 3 days old on death daughter of petrus jacobus (+ at oostkerke) and ludovica de decker (+ at koolkerke)
death rec of pauline jackson also attached, husband + at ghent (i will try to get it, normally no issue) on 12/02/1945 brugge. she was 83 years and 10 months old on death and born at brugge, daughter of joseph jacques francois and pauline virginie van stockeren.


Grtz, 

Mieke

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Mieke
 







Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 21:33
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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Marriage gallet and lambert is attached, like i thought on www.archiefbankbrugge.be

Parents of Gallet living in Assebroek and parents of lambert living at brugge. Oedelme is Oedelem.
death rec of alphons lambert on 26/11/1937 at koolkerke also attached. He was born on 24/05/1865 at oedelem, son of fredericus and julia lescroart.
death rec of maria magdalena verfaillie on 31/03/1937 at koolkerke also attached. She was 70 years 6 months and 3 days old on death daughter of petrus jacobus (+ at oostkerke) and ludovica de decker (+ at koolkerke)
death rec of pauline jackson also attached, husband + at ghent (i will try to get it, normally no issue) on 12/02/1945 brugge. she was 83 years and 10 months old on death and born at brugge, daughter of joseph jacques francois and pauline virginie van stockeren.


Grtz, 

Mieke

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Mieke
 

marriage gallet - jackson on 26/03/1880 at brugge.

He is born on 28/12/1860 brugge son of napoleon franciscus gallet +15/05/1879 roubaix and clemence pauline lucas 46 years old living at brugge
she stood in the three i mentioned above.


marriage gallet - lucas on the date mentioned in the tree.

he is born on 08/05/1831 brugge son of josepha gallet 48 years on the time of his marriage and living at brugge

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Mieke
 

attached birth of franciscus napoleon gallet, at his birth the last name was wrong so they made a correction later.
josepha gallet born 14/01/1808 brugge daughter of charles and anna keus


Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 22:47
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
marriage gallet - jackson on 26/03/1880 at brugge.

He is born on 28/12/1860 brugge son of napoleon franciscus gallet +15/05/1879 roubaix and clemence pauline lucas 46 years old living at brugge
she stood in the three i mentioned above.


marriage gallet - lucas on the date mentioned in the tree.

he is born on 08/05/1831 brugge son of josepha gallet 48 years on the time of his marriage and living at brugge

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Mieke
 


Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 23:06
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
attached birth of franciscus napoleon gallet, at his birth the last name was wrong so they made a correction later.
josepha gallet born 14/01/1808 brugge daughter of charles and anna keus


Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 22:47
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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
marriage gallet - jackson on 26/03/1880 at brugge.

He is born on 28/12/1860 brugge son of napoleon franciscus gallet +15/05/1879 roubaix and clemence pauline lucas 46 years old living at brugge
she stood in the three i mentioned above.


marriage gallet - lucas on the date mentioned in the tree.

he is born on 08/05/1831 brugge son of josepha gallet 48 years on the time of his marriage and living at brugge

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


marsha Schott
 

Hello,
I belong to this group and hoping someone can do research for me on my great great grandmother.
 Her name is Clemence Mesdagh
birthdate 6 August 1858 in Anzegem, Belgium
married around 1880 to Desire John Santens
died on 9 September 1932 in Earlimart, California, United States
I have a lot of information on the Santens line, but very little on Mesdagh.

I hope to hear from someone who can help me,
Marsha Schott


From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Mieke <chatje80@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:25 PM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 






Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 21:33
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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Marriage gallet and lambert is attached, like i thought on www.archiefbankbrugge.be

Parents of Gallet living in Assebroek and parents of lambert living at brugge. Oedelme is Oedelem.
death rec of alphons lambert on 26/11/1937 at koolkerke also attached. He was born on 24/05/1865 at oedelem, son of fredericus and julia lescroart.
death rec of maria magdalena verfaillie on 31/03/1937 at koolkerke also attached. She was 70 years 6 months and 3 days old on death daughter of petrus jacobus (+ at oostkerke) and ludovica de decker (+ at koolkerke)
death rec of pauline jackson also attached, husband + at ghent (i will try to get it, normally no issue) on 12/02/1945 brugge. she was 83 years and 10 months old on death and born at brugge, daughter of joseph jacques francois and pauline virginie van stockeren.


Grtz, 

Mieke

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


--
Marsha Schott


Regine Brindle
 

Hi Marsha, let me try to get this into a new message so we all dont get lost.
Be right back
Régine


On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 18:00, marsha Schott
<wonderwoman44@...> wrote:
Hello,
I belong to this group and hoping someone can do research for me on my great great grandmother.
 Her name is Clemence Mesdagh
birthdate 6 August 1858 in Anzegem, Belgium
married around 1880 to Desire John Santens
died on 9 September 1932 in Earlimart, California, United States
I have a lot of information on the Santens line, but very little on Mesdagh.

I hope to hear from someone who can help me,
Marsha Schott


From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Mieke <chatje80@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:25 PM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 






Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 21:33
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Marriage gallet and lambert is attached, like i thought on www.archiefbankbrugge.be

Parents of Gallet living in Assebroek and parents of lambert living at brugge. Oedelme is Oedelem.
death rec of alphons lambert on 26/11/1937 at koolkerke also attached. He was born on 24/05/1865 at oedelem, son of fredericus and julia lescroart.
death rec of maria magdalena verfaillie on 31/03/1937 at koolkerke also attached. She was 70 years 6 months and 3 days old on death daughter of petrus jacobus (+ at oostkerke) and ludovica de decker (+ at koolkerke)
death rec of pauline jackson also attached, husband + at ghent (i will try to get it, normally no issue) on 12/02/1945 brugge. she was 83 years and 10 months old on death and born at brugge, daughter of joseph jacques francois and pauline virginie van stockeren.


Grtz, 

Mieke

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Verzonden: zaterdag 30 januari 2021 20:58
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Here is a link to Julien Edward Gallet's birth record.
#1408, dated 19th April with birthdate on the same day, son of Charles Francois Jean GALLET, 38y old and his wife Pauline Josephe Jacqueline  JACKSON, 38y old

Mieke might want to double check the rest. I am not fluent in Dutch.

Your Julia maria Lambert
was born 14 Aug 1897 as you have it.
of Alphonsius Lambert, 32 born in Oedelme, and his wife, Maria Magdalena VERPILLIE, 29


Access to marriages in Brugge stops at 1900 so you will need to write the local administration of Brugge and see if they would send you a copy of the record. It will likely have to be paid for and will require proof of your relationship.

You have my full attention about the stories.

Listening (=

regine

On Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:47:23 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Dear Regine,

Yes, I mailed my application and check to 495 East 5th Street, Peru, IN 46970.  I will wait patiently for your notification of receipt; I know sometimes the mail moves slowly!

In the meantime, I can begin to fill you in on my Belgian heritage, which comes from my father's side of the family.  The following information is what I shared with the Belgian Foreign Office and with the Belgian Consulate (New York):

My grandfather, Julien Edwardus Gallet, was born in Gent, Belgium on April 17, 1899.
My grandmother, Julia Maria Lambert, was born in Koolkerke-Brugge, Belgium on August 14, 1897.
They were married in Brugge on August 14, 1920.

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert) emigrated to the U.S. from Belgium in 1922.  They were both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium at the time of their emigration.

 

My father (Arthur Charles Gallet) was born in the U.S. (Chicago, Illinois) on January 15, 1928.

 

My grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen on June 29, 1928.  Therefore, my grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the moment of my father's birth.

 

After my grandparents' divorce, my father (age 6) went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  This was December 1934.

 

While in high school in Brugge, my father was involved in the Resistance against the Nazi occupation.  On March 24, 1944, he was arrested by the Germans, along with 16 other students of the Rijks Middenschool Brugge, as a Political Prisoner.

 

Imprisoned for over a year, my father was liberated by U.S. Army forces on April 11, 1945, from the Wolfenbuttel Prison in Germany.

 

June 1946, my father returned to the United States, to reunite with his father (Julien Gallet) in Chicago.  He remained in the U.S. for the rest of his life.

 

I was born in Chicago, Illinois on October 11, 1955.

That's a good starting point for now.  As we continue our communication, I will let you know what documents I need to gather and send to the Belgian Consulate.  I will also share more details about my fathers imprisonment during WWII.  His ordeal as a Political Prisoner (at the age of 16-17) was something I was only vaguely aware of growing up, and which I did not come to fully appreciate until the last few years of his life.

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


--
Marsha Schott


Roger Gallet
 

Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Regine Brindle
 

Hi Roger,

You're most welcome!

I am not sure where you could access that I'm afraid, other than the Belgian embassy.

Let me ask a friend who was a Belgian Ambassador.  Maybe he will know.

regine

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Regine Brindle
 

Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Mieke
 

The death act of charles at Ghent on 09/03/1939 attached.



Op 3 feb. 2021 15:57 schreef "Regine Brindle via groups.io" <babette602001@...>:

Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Roger Gallet
 

Regine,

Thank you for continuing to work with me on my project!  I will try to answer your friend Yvon's questions as best I can.  His questions center around the sequence and timing of events pertaining to my grandfather's naturalization and my father's birth, his return to Belgium, and his citizenship status.  

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert), both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium, emigrated to the U.S. in 1922.  They settled in Chicago, Illinois.

My father (Arthur Gallet) was born in Chicago on January 15, 1928.  His birth in the U.S made him a U.S. citizen. 

My grandfather achieved naturalization as a U.S citizen on June 29, 1928 -- 5 months AFTER my father's birth.  My grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the time of my father's birth, so Belgian citizenship also applied to my father; he must have carried dual citizenship.  My grandmother was never naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

My grandparents divorced, and subsequently, in December 1934 (just shy of my father's 7th birthday) my father went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  My father, now living in Belgium, was a U.S. citizen by birth in the U.S. and a Belgian citizen by birth to a Belgian father.  That may answer the question of why the Germans didn't deport him.  Either that or they never found out he was also American.

After my father's ordeal as a political prisoner and his liberation and release from prison, he decided to return to the U.S. to live.  He returned to Chicago, Illinois in the summer of 1946, and reunited with his father (Julien Gallet).  Without question my father's citizenship status was as a U.S. citizen when he returned to the States.  I have in my possession his actual United States passport, issued by the American Consulate General in Antwerp on May 29, 1946.  This passport had an expiration date of November 29, 1946 and was only valid for travel in "necessary countries en route to the United States from Belgium".  He traveled on a Swedish American Line ship (I don't know the name of the ship) from Gothenburg, arriving in New York on July 1, 1946.

As far as the link you provided to the V.O.PG.V website, I was already familiar with that, as it was also given to me by the daughter of one of my father's fellow political prisoners.  As for the other links, they unfortunately did not work out too well for me.

Finally, I still look forward to becoming an official member of The Belgian Researchers as soon as you receive my elusive check in the mail.

Sincerely,
Roger Gallet             



From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:57 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Regine Brindle
 

hello Roger,

First of all, my apologies, the Bruges link was the wrong one.  I thought i had removed it before sending yesterday.

It might be easier to just paste what Yvon said.
citizenship is complicated because the laws change all the time.

Your grandmother gained us citizenship when your grandfather was naturalized. The same with all the children in the household regardless of where they were born.  In Yvon's perspective, it seems to mean 'losing the Belgian citizenship'
If your grandfather signed a paper renouncing allegiance to the king and to Belgium, he was not allowed to have a dual citizenship.
The children may have had a choice until the age of 18.
Today people can pay extra and have a dual citizenship but it's been so on and off that it is really hard to know who qualifies and who does not unless they have the full paperwork before them.  That may be why the embassy is asking you for all these papers.

When I was naturalized (1987) I lost my Belgian citizenship.  My children were not Belgian, while I was not naturalized, nor did they have the option of becoming Belgians. 
Your father's name does not appear on the POW site.  Knowing he used a US passport indicates he made the choice to remain us citizen in spite of the divorce.  I am not sure that your grandmother's status is the one they would use for the children of a divorced marriage.
In certain countries the nationality follows the parents'.
In France in the early 20th century it appears, children born of Belgian parents in France, retained the Belgian citizenship.  It gets confusing for sure...
In the US, as you said, citizenship of children is automatically US, regardless of the parents' citizenship status.

However... the importance of the POW file is that it will determine whether he was taken prisoner as a Belgian or an American.
The Germans likely did not realize he was not Belgian by birth.  do you have access to that file?

Here is Yvon's questions/explanations

Bonjour Régine
J'ai encore bien étudié le cas
I have studied this carefully

1. Né au USA, son papa est américain de naissance et avait la double nationalité à la naissance
cette nationalité devient définitive en 1933 (loi de 1920)

Born in the US his dad is American by birth and had dual citizenship at birth.  This citizenship becomes permanent in 1933 (1920 law)

2. Son grand père devient citoyen US mi 1928.
suite la convention belgo USA de 1868 le grand père perd automatiquement la belge
ce jour là, par effet collectif son le devient aussi et logiquement perd la nationalité belge
J'ignore pour la grand-maman ....
Donc lors du divorce , logiquement son papa est citoyen US uniquement

his grandfather became a us citizen in mid 1928.
Due to the Belgian-American convention on 1868, the grandfather automatically loses his Belgian citizenship.
That day, by collective effect his son also becomes US citizen and logically loses the Belgian citizenship as well.
I am not sure about the grandmother... So at the time of the divorce his dad was solely a US citizen.

3. Il y a le retour en Belgique et là cela devient incompréhensible ..... sauf si la maman a caché que elle et son enfant sont devenus citoyen US
explication
En 1942, suite à l'entrée en guerre des USA ... tous les citoyens US en Belgique ont été arrêtés en mis dans des camps.
Son père et sa grand mère n'ont pas été inquiétés 
Donc si ils se sont fait passer pour des belges, il doit y avoir des traces dans les archives de l'administration

at the return to Belgium, and this only can be explained if the mother hid that she and her child were US citizens.
In 1942 after the US entered war, all US citizens in belgium were arrested and put in camps.
his father and grandmother were not bothered.
So they must have ''passed' for Belgians and there should be a record of them in the local administration
(my note: do you have a record of the Population register for that period?  He would have been registered on them, even if it was listed as grandchild, living with family. his birth would be recorded on there as well)

Questions
1. qu'est devenu la grand-mère en Belgique .... IMPORTANT

what became of your grandmother in Belgium?

2. son papa a-t-il été inscrit sur les liste de la milice vers 1942?

Was your father registered on the militia list in 1942?
(my note: Hmmm...  he would surely have been too young, but i don't know about Belgium)

3. quand il y a eu le procès qui a mené son papa en déportation, a-t-on fait mention de sa nationalité américaine? Son père a-t-il eu une pension de prisonnier de guerre?

When the trial took place prior to your fathers deportation to camp, was there mention of his nationality?  Did your father claim a POw pension?

4. quand il est parti de Belgique ( c'est cela que l'ambassade veut savoir) en 1948, il a voyagé avec un passeport US ou belge

When he left Belgium in 1948 did he have a Belgian or US passport
(my note: you answered that already in your email - US passport so he claimed US citizenship)

5. sur les passenger's lists de l'époque quelle nationalité il est mentionné sur les livres de bord

On the passengers list what nationality is mentioned?
(my note: answered with above I would say)

6. Par après .... son papa n'a jamais été inquiété pour son service militaire obligatoire en Belgique ..... ce dossier, on doit le retrouver !!!

Later, was your father ever contacted to do his obligatory military service in Belgium ---  Must find

I think Yvon is worried your quest may be for naught

regine


On Thursday, February 4, 2021, 12:09:57 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine,

Thank you for continuing to work with me on my project!  I will try to answer your friend Yvon's questions as best I can.  His questions center around the sequence and timing of events pertaining to my grandfather's naturalization and my father's birth, his return to Belgium, and his citizenship status.  

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert), both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium, emigrated to the U.S. in 1922.  They settled in Chicago, Illinois.

My father (Arthur Gallet) was born in Chicago on January 15, 1928.  His birth in the U.S made him a U.S. citizen. 

My grandfather achieved naturalization as a U.S citizen on June 29, 1928 -- 5 months AFTER my father's birth.  My grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the time of my father's birth, so Belgian citizenship also applied to my father; he must have carried dual citizenship.  My grandmother was never naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

My grandparents divorced, and subsequently, in December 1934 (just shy of my father's 7th birthday) my father went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  My father, now living in Belgium, was a U.S. citizen by birth in the U.S. and a Belgian citizen by birth to a Belgian father.  That may answer the question of why the Germans didn't deport him.  Either that or they never found out he was also American.

After my father's ordeal as a political prisoner and his liberation and release from prison, he decided to return to the U.S. to live.  He returned to Chicago, Illinois in the summer of 1946, and reunited with his father (Julien Gallet).  Without question my father's citizenship status was as a U.S. citizen when he returned to the States.  I have in my possession his actual United States passport, issued by the American Consulate General in Antwerp on May 29, 1946.  This passport had an expiration date of November 29, 1946 and was only valid for travel in "necessary countries en route to the United States from Belgium".  He traveled on a Swedish American Line ship (I don't know the name of the ship) from Gothenburg, arriving in New York on July 1, 1946.

As far as the link you provided to the V.O.PG.V website, I was already familiar with that, as it was also given to me by the daughter of one of my father's fellow political prisoners.  As for the other links, they unfortunately did not work out too well for me.

Finally, I still look forward to becoming an official member of The Belgian Researchers as soon as you receive my elusive check in the mail.

Sincerely,
Roger Gallet             



From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:57 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet